[sheffield_fox]

Brighton & Hove Albion 3-2 Leicester City
28 October 2008

Matty Fryatt's brace sealed the man of the match award in an all round dreadful set of ratings. Fryatt gained the only rating over 5.00 with the remainder of the team deemed not worthy of even mediocre marks. Aleksandar Tunchev and Chris Powell rounded off the top three.

Jack Hobbs' own goal was clearly a sore point with the fans as he claimed the flop of the match award, very closely followed by Andy King and David Martin.

Full results below:

Player Awards:

Man of the Match: Matty Fryatt – 5.86

Flop of the Match: Jack Hobbs – 3.28

Best Defender: Aleksandar Tunchev – 4.38
Best Midfielder: Max Gradel – 4.31
Best Striker: Matty Fryatt – 5.86

Full Ratings:

1. Matty Fryatt – 5.86
2. Aleksandar Tunchev – 4.38
3. Chris Powell – 4.34
4. Max Gradel – 4.31
5. Lloyd Dyer – 4.24
6. Steve Howard – 4.14
7. Patrick Kisnorbo – 3.90
8. Bruno Berner – 3.79
9. David Martin – 3.38
10. Andy King – 3.31
11. Jack Hobbs – 3.28

Voter Awards:

Top Voters: LCFC123456789

Most Generous Voter: 1st – clazkel – 6.45 / 2nd – Ched – 6.36 / 3rd - McLovin / db11 – 5.91

Harshest Voter: 1st – anon – 2.69 / 2nd – kgyjl – 3.82 / 3rd – LCFC123456789 – 4.09

October awards to be posted soon.

This post has been edited by sheffield_fox: 30 October 2008 - 07:49 PM

[Ched]

One of the harshest voters was also the top vote!

Thanks again for the results, enjoying them.

[syston_fox]

sheffield_fox, on Oct 30 2008, 07:47 PM, said:

[Most Generous Voter: 1st – clazkel – 6.45 / 2nd – Ched – 6.36 / 3rd - McLovin / db11 – 5.91

Now im pretty sure he wasnt at the game!!

How many votes did you receive for this one by the way?

[sheffield_fox]

syston_fox, on Oct 30 2008, 07:59 PM, said:

Now im pretty sure he wasnt at the game!!

How many votes did you receive for this one by the way?

16

[Thracian]

sheffield_fox, on Oct 30 2008, 07:47 PM, said:

Brighton & Hove Albion 3-2 Leicester City
28 October 2008

Matty Fryatt's brace sealed the man of the match award in an all round dreadful set of ratings. Fryatt gained the only rating over 5.00 with the remainder of the team deemed not worthy of even mediocre marks. Aleksandar Tunchev and Chris Powell rounded off the top three.

Jack Hobbs' own goal was clearly a sore point with the fans as he claimed the flop of the match award, very closely followed by Andy King and David Martin.

Full results below:

Player Awards:

Man of the Match: Matty Fryatt – 5.86

Flop of the Match: Jack Hobbs – 3.28

Best Defender: Aleksandar Tunchev – 4.38
Best Midfielder: Max Gradel – 4.31
Best Striker: Matty Fryatt – 5.86

Full Ratings:

1. Matty Fryatt – 5.86
2. Aleksandar Tunchev – 4.38
3. Chris Powell – 4.34
4. Max Gradel – 4.31
5. Lloyd Dyer – 4.24
6. Steve Howard – 4.14
7. Patrick Kisnorbo – 3.90
8. Bruno Berner – 3.79
9. David Martin – 3.38
10. Andy King – 3.31
11. Jack Hobbs – 3.28

Voter Awards:

Top Voters: LCFC123456789

Most Generous Voter: 1st – clazkel – 6.45 / 2nd – Ched – 6.36 / 3rd - McLovin / db11 – 5.91

Harshest Voter: 1st – anon – 2.69 / 2nd – kgyjl – 3.82 / 3rd – LCFC123456789 – 4.09

October awards to be posted soon.

If Andy King was honestly worse than Berner and Martin I'd probably never have him play for the club again.

Fans complained they couldn't see and many didn't vote but they sure saw into the heart of the midfield well enough to savage one of our virtual ever presents.

Berner barely got one mention in the commentary and certainly not for doing anything constructive. Martin sounded little better. King had plenty of mentions, particularly first half for his involvement and for having a few shots.

I reckon he must vote Conservative or something.

This post has been edited by Thracian: 30 October 2008 - 09:28 PM

[JakeShingler]

Cheers

[syston_fox]

Thracian, on Oct 30 2008, 09:26 PM, said:

If Andy King was honestly worse than Berner and Martin I'd probably never have him play for the club again.

Fans complained they couldn't see and many didn't vote but they sure saw into the heart of the midfield well enough to savage one of our virtual ever presents.

Berner barely got one mention in the commentary and certainly not for doing anything constructive. Martin sounded little better. King had plenty of mentions, particularly first half for his involvement and for having a few shots.

I reckon he must vote Conservative or something.

Ive seen you throw that comment around no end in the aftermath of the match and what is it supposed to prove? Every single touch isn't commented on and often just doing the neat things in a game will go unmentioned. King has been poor recentley and yet you're the only one who can't seen to accept that fact. He's young and will have an off game or two every now and again as he is only human.

I was at the game, and I can remember more contributions from Berner than King. My only recollection from King, was him missing a great chance in the first half..... and that isn't an excuse for you to praise him for getting into that position in the first place.

[Tilley]

Was DB11 even at the game!!??

[Ched]

Thracian, on Oct 30 2008, 09:26 PM, said:

If Andy King was honestly worse than Berner and Martin I'd probably never have him play for the club again.

Fans complained they couldn't see and many didn't vote but they sure saw into the heart of the midfield well enough to savage one of our virtual ever presents.

Berner barely got one mention in the commentary and certainly not for doing anything constructive. Martin sounded little better. King had plenty of mentions, particularly first half for his involvement and for having a few shots.

I reckon he must vote Conservative or something.

You weren't at the game, what you heard on the radio is irrelevant.

King had a poor game Thrac, although it was hard to see, it wasn't impossible. His passing was short of what it usually was and his defensive work was non existant. I'm sure you're going to say he's not a defensive player now, but I've seen numerous comments where you have credited King with clean sheets. So surely this time he has to be at fault for us collapsing and losing three goals in the second half?

[syston_fox]

Tilley, on Oct 30 2008, 09:57 PM, said:

Was DB11 even at the game!!??

£1.73 says that he wasn't and didn't read the whole thing about only posting if you were at the game!

[Thracian]

Ched, on Oct 30 2008, 10:00 PM, said:

You weren't at the game, what you heard on the radio is irrelevant.

King had a poor game Thrac, although it was hard to see, it wasn't impossible. His passing was short of what it usually was and his defensive work was non existant. I'm sure you're going to say he's not a defensive player now, but I've seen numerous comments where you have credited King with clean sheets. So surely this time he has to be at fault for us collapsing and losing three goals in the second half?

So tell me what Bruno Berner did in midfield to absolve him of the blame you're talking about, and the goalkeeper, and Kisnorbo?

Cos I didn't hear many positives for any of them.

People had said that with the inclusion of Berner, King could take a more attacking role. But I didn't hear of Berner either blunting attacks or setting them up and if King was taking shots, albeit bad ones, I presume he was generally playing higher up the park than Berner cos he wasn't mentioned as having a single shot.

If the truth is different I'm all ears and I'll happily acknowledge it and join the campaign for a better trier in midfield.
But all I hear on here when we lose, draw or ship goals is that defenders Kisnorbo, Tunchev, Powell, Tunchev and Mattock were barely to blame and Kingy was.

But when I've seen the games I see those same defenders hoofing the ball away, not getting forward enough, conceding free-kicks in dangerous places, not defending the near post and so on.

At Brighton they even deflect one shot into the net and put another one in themselves or is that simply radio hearsay?. But it's always someone else's fault.

Five goals in three games after being so sound. Yet it's not the defenders fault but one midfielder.
Seems to me that someone, somewhere in midfield was helping the wingers get enough of the ball and helping us to get two first half away goals and the defence conceded three to one of the worst forward lines in the League. Did Pearson delegrate someone to man mark their double goalscorer? If so was it King or Berner? Or was no-one delegated in which case the manager might look to himself and his zonal marking system that somehow fell apart.

This post has been edited by Thracian: 30 October 2008 - 10:22 PM

[syston_fox]

Thracian, on Oct 30 2008, 10:09 PM, said:

So tell me what Bruno Berner did in midfield to absolve him of the blame you're talking about, and the goalkeeper, and Kisnorbo.

Cos I didn't hear many positives for any of them.

People had said hat with the inclusion of Berner, King could take a more attacking role. But I didn't hear of Berner either blunting attacks or setting them up and if King was taking shots, albeit bad ones, I presume he was generally playing higher up the park than Berner cos he wasn't mentioned as having a single shot.

If the truth is different I'm all ears.

Why can't Berner AND King be to blame for not covering the defence a little more? Neither pushed forward with any great motive in the game and the first two goals were long range strikes that should have been picked up by a midfielder.

[Ched]

Thracian, on Oct 30 2008, 10:09 PM, said:

So tell me what Bruno Berner did in midfield to absolve him of the blame you're talking about, and the goalkeeper, and Kisnorbo.

Cos I didn't hear many positives for any of them.

People had said hat with the inclusion of Berner, King could take a more attacking role. But I didn't hear of Berner either blunting attacks or setting them up and if King was taking shots, albeit bad ones, I presume he was generally playing higher up the park than Berner cos he wasn't mentioned as having a single shot.

If the truth is different I'm all ears.

Berner is to blame as well don't get me wrong, if you look at the ratings the difference between the pair is about 0.4! Hardly something to base a whole match on.

You may not have heard of Berner breaking up the attacks, but I did see him break quite a few up in the first half. Although that all went to pot in the second half where both can come out with absolutely no credit in my view.

Berner is not going to be a long time replacement, he was mearly filling in for the injured Oakley, remember that.

[dandannieldanok]

Thracian, on Oct 30 2008, 09:26 PM, said:

If Andy King was honestly worse than Berner and Martin I'd probably never have him play for the club again.

Fans complained they couldn't see and many didn't vote but they sure saw into the heart of the midfield well enough to savage one of our virtual ever presents.

Berner barely got one mention in the commentary and certainly not for doing anything constructive. Martin sounded little better. King had plenty of mentions, particularly first half for his involvement and for having a few shots.

Can you not just accept that he might have been crap? I didn't go either and listened to the radio also, but I'm not sure where you're getting this stuff about King being mentioned more than others from. If people rated him as 2nd worse player then I trust that view more than the radio. What was evident from the commentary was that Cox and Thornton appeared to completely maul our midfield in the 2nd half, although this would need to be confirmed by someone who was there.

[Ched]

dandannieldanok, on Oct 30 2008, 10:23 PM, said:

What was evident from the commentary was that Cox and Thornton appeared to completely maul our midfield in the 2nd half, although this would need to be confirmed by someone who was there.

Exactly what happened, I've mentioned a number of times.

[Thracian]

syston_fox, on Oct 30 2008, 10:12 PM, said:

Why can't Berner AND King be to blame for not covering the defence a little more? Neither pushed forward with any great motive in the game and the first two goals were long range strikes that should have been picked up by a midfielder.

Because if the defence concedes ground unnecessarily the gap between midfield and the back line gets too wide for two people who have already, presumably, spent one half of the game covering the whole central area from 35 yards out to the edge of the opposition penalty area.

Kisnorbo and Tunchev don't cover anything like that sort of ground. Nor Hobbs. And I doubt Powell did either. And if four sodding defenders can't keep a modest Brighton attack at bay it's a poor do. But they would help themselves by not falling back and not stretching the game when players are tiring. It's nieve. And I shouldn't have to explain elementary strategy to a so-alled professional football club.

If Pearson for some strange reason approves of the back line conceding space and thus stretching their own team then, at the very least, he needs to have fresh legs in midfield. But I don't believe he approves. He doesn't strike me as stupid. So the sodding defenders invited the pressure by not pushing up and closing down.

And they must have invited Brighton onto them. Because if a defender pushes up and a shot deflects off him, the ball will slow and the goalkeeper will have chance to adjust his position whereas if the defender falls back and gets hit then any deflection will likely put the goalkeeper out of the game.

This post has been edited by Thracian: 30 October 2008 - 10:39 PM

[syston_fox]

At the end of the day, the ratings that sheffield_fox generously sorts out are done from the leicester fans who have been to the stadiums and watched the game (with obviously the odd numpty who listens on the radio and votes). They're an average of the people who have all had the same view of the pitch and seen the same performance that others have and if you constantly disagree with the ratings that King gets! I dont know how many people vote each game but i'd think at least 50 people generally vote so are you saying that this selection of the Leicester support are wrong? Has it even entered your head that it's your opinion that is faulted?

[Curious Orange]

syston_fox, on Oct 30 2008, 10:46 PM, said:

At the end of the day, the ratings that sheffield_fox generously sorts out are done from the leicester fans who have been to the stadiums and watched the game (with obviously the odd numpty who listens on the radio and votes). They're an average of the people who have all had the same view of the pitch and seen the same performance that others have and if you constantly disagree with the ratings that King gets! I dont know how many people vote each game but i'd think at least 50 people generally vote so are you saying that this selection of the Leicester support are wrong? Has it even entered your head that it's your opinion that is faulted?

The obverse to this argument would go along the lines that most people who support City are stupid...and that most people who are motivated to take part in polls are the stupidest subset of them with little else to do.

I hold my hand up as a serial stupid poll completer - just pointing it out

Maybe, just maybe, Thracian is brighter than the rest of us?

[Thracian]

dandannieldanok, on Oct 30 2008, 10:23 PM, said:

Can you not just accept that he might have been crap? I didn't go either and listened to the radio also, but I'm not sure where you're getting this stuff about King being mentioned more than others from. If people rated him as 2nd worse player then I trust that view more than the radio. What was evident from the commentary was that Cox and Thornton appeared to completely maul our midfield in the 2nd half, although this would need to be confirmed by someone who was there.

Cox and Thornton were both introduced for the second half - fresh legs. How exactly are our two midfielders expected to cope with two fresh midfielders if our defenders allow Brighton onto them and stretch our team, thus demanding still more of our already tiring central midfielders?

It's happened too often in the past and under other City managers. I don't remember it being a feature of our defensive play earlier in the season, it's only happened since the return of Kisnorbo. And having seen him as a midfielder I can well understand why he prefers to defend deep. But it didn't work under other managers - it is exactly what blunted our midfield creativity whoever played there - and it's not going to work now.

It simply invites pressure and isolates the covering players too far away from the attackers.

[Bert]

I really enjoy it when Thracian ignores posts from others.

King was poor, has been for the past few weeks.


DEAL WITH IT.