Guest ttfn Posted 13 July 2015 Share Posted 13 July 2015 I'm not adverse to changing tactics during a game to gain an advantage. I just hope the players understand them! Exactly, I'm just a bit worried that a few of our players seem like they might not be the brightest bulbs in the box. Fingers crossed that's not the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagofox Posted 13 July 2015 Share Posted 13 July 2015 I hope he keeps the spine of the team we have here. I don't. I hope he brings in 2 new central midfielders and a central defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmeh Posted 14 July 2015 Share Posted 14 July 2015 His default style is a quite defensive, counter-attacking one, probably best demonstrated by his Valencis side of the late 90s/early 0s. We certainly have the pace in our ranks to suit that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crinklyfox Posted 14 July 2015 Share Posted 14 July 2015 We had a winning formula at the end of last season. Is it more important to play the style that Ranieri is familiar with or the style that best suits the players we have? If the players could be just as effective in a changed formation then great, but we know that they can cause problems to the opposition using the three at the back attacking style, and if it works, why fix it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Finsbury Posted 14 July 2015 Share Posted 14 July 2015 I think the Italian style in general seems to be patient build up and then sudden bursts of attacking play still. As someone has said, we definitely have the pace for that. I wouldn't be surprised if he supports hard pressing either... again, something our players are used to. His methods may be one of the reasons that he's been appointed. Apart from a change in shape, the overall philosophy, isn't all that different. Our players just need to learn to be patient when they have the ball. It might mean an end to lumping up top when we run out of ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerrrFox Posted 14 July 2015 Share Posted 14 July 2015 I expect to see a 4-3-1-2 in the first game of the season. Ranieri doesn't have a go to formation as such but he's played the 4-3-1-2 a lot over the years and it would suit our team. He will push the full backs high (they are more like wing backs in a 3-5-2 than out and out full backs), the 2 centre backs split with the deep central midfielder dropping in between them in a Xabi Alonso style role. 2 box to box midfielders and the attacking midfielder supporting the strikers. I would hazard a guess at something like; Kasper Albrighton Huth Wasilewski Fuchs Cambiasso King Drinkwater Mahrez Vardy Okazaki/Kramaric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conLAD logan Posted 14 July 2015 Share Posted 14 July 2015 According to an article on 'sabotagetimes', his preferred formation has been 4312 but often played 451 or 4231, personally I hope he starts with the 4312 formation as the diamond up top seems to suit our players more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cc_star Posted 14 July 2015 Share Posted 14 July 2015 I'm not adverse to changing tactics during a game to gain an advantage. I just hope the players understand them! It's up to a manager whether they understand or not, whether he gets buying from those under his command etc... The relationship Pearson had with players is quite rare and while we were butting our head against a brick wall for much of last season, the players always did what was asked and never let their heads drop & always believed, which was incredible team-building... Thats quite rare in football Anyway. Round pegs in round holes and square pegs in square ones.... that's why our 343 & 352 worked so well And we were unplayable with pace I fear we'll switch to a containing, possession based game and we'll have a similar (but relative) outcome that Moyes had replacing SAF. Hopefully I'm wrong though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 14 July 2015 Share Posted 14 July 2015 I expect to see a 4-3-1-2 in the first game of the season. Ranieri doesn't have a go to formation as such but he's played the 4-3-1-2 a lot over the years and it would suit our team. He will push the full backs high (they are more like wing backs in a 3-5-2 than out and out full backs), the 2 centre backs split with the deep central midfielder dropping in between them in a Xabi Alonso style role. 2 box to box midfielders and the attacking midfielder supporting the strikers. I would hazard a guess at something like; Kasper Albrighton Huth Wasilewski Fuchs Cambiasso King Drinkwater Mahrez Vardy Okazaki/Kramaric No width then... I hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerrrFox Posted 14 July 2015 Share Posted 14 July 2015 No width then... I hope not. As much width as the 3-5-2 gives you, the only major difference between them is you lose a centre back and gain a central midfielder. The central midfielder has license to push slightly further up the pitch and is more creative in possession and instead of a back 5 without the ball he screens the back 4 as a holding midfielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tielemans63 Posted 14 July 2015 Share Posted 14 July 2015 I am not against his appointment and I'm not trying to stick the knife in early but from what I'm reading one of the main reasons he bombed with Greece is that he didn't have one set formation and started the infamous Faroe Islands game with a 4-2-4 with two holding midfielders who had never played the holding midfield role. Apparently he abandoned the 3-5-2 / 5-3-2 formation that had served the Greeks well for decade more or less straightaway and the players resented him for it. We had it pretty much cracked at the end of the season, I just hope he has the savvy not to 'tinker' too much with a system that was serving us brilliantly during our amazing run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowlattsFox Posted 14 July 2015 Share Posted 14 July 2015 I can see Okazaki/Vardy being key for Ranieri, probably as 'wide-forwards' Okazaki Mahrez Vardy all playing behind Kramaric but really all 4 could have licence to roam and interchange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benpicko Posted 14 July 2015 Share Posted 14 July 2015 I wonder if with Shakespeare staying on for the moment and our players being most familiar with a 3-5-2 we'll continue with that? Has he ever played with a back 3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filbertway Posted 14 July 2015 Share Posted 14 July 2015 As much width as the 3-5-2 gives you, the only major difference between them is you lose a centre back and gain a central midfielder. The central midfielder has license to push slightly further up the pitch and is more creative in possession and instead of a back 5 without the ball he screens the back 4 as a holding midfielder. The way you're suggesting that, the formation would be a 2-6-2, which could work, but you need a CM who is basically a CB who can play a bit as well. None of our current midfielders fit that mould. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicmsb Posted 14 July 2015 Share Posted 14 July 2015 He plays a very defensive style. He loves 4-4-2 famously dropping Sneijder for not fitting into that formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les-tah Posted 14 July 2015 Share Posted 14 July 2015 Did we not learn from last year? The majority of our squad was piss poor in nearly all formations apart from the 352 type system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxUK Posted 14 July 2015 Share Posted 14 July 2015 Did we not learn from last year? The majority of our squad was piss poor in nearly all formations apart from the 352 type system. 4-3-3 did okay. I hope Ranieri goes with what fits the players best at first rather than what he wants to see. The end game is winning, and if we're more likely doing it playing a 4-4-****ing-2 then we go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haydos Posted 14 July 2015 Share Posted 14 July 2015 The way you're suggesting that, the formation would be a 2-6-2, which could work, but you need a CM who is basically a CB who can play a bit as well. None of our current midfielders fit that mould. James strikes me as someone who could fill that role. Seems pretty intelligent, tall lad, can picture him playing CB for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cc_star Posted 14 July 2015 Share Posted 14 July 2015 He plays a very defensive style. He loves 4-4-2 famously dropping Sneijder for not fitting into that formation. More reasons to be cheerful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Burger Posted 15 July 2015 Share Posted 15 July 2015 He famously loved Carlton Cole when he was at Chelsea, which leads me to believe he will be a fan of a forward in the style of Leo, who is by far a better player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 15 July 2015 Share Posted 15 July 2015 All of them. He uses all the tactics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderbyFox Posted 15 July 2015 Share Posted 15 July 2015 Watched his Monaco team a few times during their Ligue 1 season and didn't see 4-4-2 once. Mostly it was 4-2-3-1 as below Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les-tah Posted 15 July 2015 Share Posted 15 July 2015 Watched his Monaco team a few times during their Ligue 1 season and didn't see 4-4-2 once. Mostly it was 4-2-3-1 as below Now do this formation with our potential team by the first game.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eunmac Posted 15 July 2015 Share Posted 15 July 2015 I was really enjoying our 3-5-2 end of last season. Hopefully Shakey etc will convince him to keep that going for a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain... Posted 15 July 2015 Share Posted 15 July 2015 I think one of the reasons for his appointment was his willingness to work with the back room staff we already have. Which means he will hopefully continue the good work from NP. I hope we see plenty of different line ups and formations in pre season including the 532 that served us so well at the end of last season. Just because 532 worked so well for a couple of months doesn't mean it is the best formation to play, nor that it will be successful next season. Out early season form was built on a flat back 4, we beat Stoke and United and drew against Arsenal and Everton playing 442/433. We have new players a different manager and a year of experience under our belts. Ranieri at Chelsea was a very good manager, they were exciting to watch with explosive forward players and a couple of ball playing enforcers in the middle, he picked the team to beat the opposition rather than subscribe to the never change a winning team philosophy. I remember attacking full backs like Bridge and Melchiot with Terry and Gallas at the back Makelele and Parker sat in front with players like Lampard, Duff, Hasslebank, Zenden, Veron given license to attack. I don't agree with this boring negative football tag, at Monaco he brought in Falcao, James Rodriguez, Berbatov he also made Emmanuel Rivière look good, and that is no mean feat. I think it will be an exciting season ahead, I only hope we have a little patience and don't just jump on this Tinkerman tag every time he changes the side. Just remember some of the ridiculous tinkering from NP last season before he finally cracked it. He will need time, patience and more importantly support. It is important to rember he didn't sack Pearson but he was ready to pick up the reins and if he and our owners think he is the man to take us forwards then I am onboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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