Blizzard Posted 21 October 2016 Share Posted 21 October 2016 You should have heard him on ITV. He makes a few good points, there have been a string of poor away performances, describing the team as unprofessional and disgraceful is a little strong though. I was sat behind the goal when Kasper saved that shot, it was a brilliant save, not standard by any definition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waylander Posted 21 October 2016 Share Posted 21 October 2016 15 hours ago, Bayfox said: Roy Keane States what most of us are thinking, there's your headline, fact is away from home, we have been poor and it's the manner and the fact we don't seem to learn that's the issue, if we had lost close games by the odd late goal ok, but we giving ourselves mountains to climb within the 1st half hour. That said I don't need roy keane to tell me that and I suspect most others don't either, look at it this way, we lost at liverpool and arsenal last year, we drew with man utd and chelsea in a game that didn't really matter, so from those 4 games we are 2 points worse off, let's see what happens once we have played a few watford and boro etc away before anyone panics too much. It really is just the manner that concerns me, but that could change. (Hopefully) Spot on for me this is bay fox onwards and upwards . But we need to try harder let hope the talking they have done sinks in . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erlee Posted 22 October 2016 Share Posted 22 October 2016 i would give an arm/leg for a top-6 finish than entering the quarters in the CL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted 22 October 2016 Share Posted 22 October 2016 1 hour ago, Gerbold said: Hmmm - the trouble I had with him was that he played for United, was gung-ho to the point of self-harm and he turned out to be a drinker. I'm not proud of that stance - because he wasn't anywhere near as cynical as Scholes, for example, and he was brave and very talented. So put it down to my mean-minded quirkiness and prejudice against United and the demon drink. I think most of that Ron Atkinson United team were big drinkers by the sound of it. No doubt Robson, McGrath and Whiteside were amongst the ringleaders. Actually, they were a pretty horrible side when you look back. But my memories of Robson are mainly as England's Captain fantastic and I do have sympathy for him regarding his injuries in major tournaments - although they may have been self inflicted some what. Anyway, back on topic. Roy Keane is cvnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justfoxes Posted 22 October 2016 Author Share Posted 22 October 2016 20 hours ago, MPH said: He's not said anything wrong there but for the last sentance, for me... The hugging of players after a match.. he has to remember, not everyone has had like 10 champions league seasons in a row like man U have had... this is our first ever and possibly our last for quite some time... Agree but who knows stranger things have happened before with little Leicester upsetting the premier leagues long standing top four ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPeakFox Posted 22 October 2016 Share Posted 22 October 2016 3 hours ago, erlee said: i would give an arm/leg for a top-6 finish than entering the quarters in the CL I think you'd regret that, in all senses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justfoxes Posted 22 October 2016 Author Share Posted 22 October 2016 10 hours ago, erlee said: i would give an arm/leg for a top-6 finish than entering the quarters in the CL Who knows we could possibly achieve both if we're to now build on our great win today we could climb that table,Claudio needs to sort out our away form now ? But stranger things have happened !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchsntf Posted 23 October 2016 Share Posted 23 October 2016 1 hour ago, Gerbold said: I was a youth in their heyday and there was a subtle difference between that bunch (Norman Hunter, Ron Harris, Peter Storey and Tommy Smith) - and the likes of Keane and Souness. The former played in the days of studs showing, shoulder charges, four yard sliding tackles and body blocking that would have stopped a horse and cart.They played in a period where referees allowed 'physicality' free rein. I recall Alan Clarke, playing for Leeds, shielding the ball on the touchline and Liverpool's Tommy Smith scything both his legs away from under him. No attempt to play the ball. Clarke sat there shocked and bemused and the ref. gave a free kick. Today that would have warranted a red. Bremner was two levels above Harris and Storey. He also had one of the finest and dirtiest oppoes playing alongside him in Johnny Giles - who once, after Frankie Wortho had showed one of those flashes of brilliance he specialised in, warned him not to do it again, on pain of a broken leg! (from 'One Hump or Two'). Two master-class footballers who could walk on the dark side as well. Terry Yorath once told an assembly of Coventry refs that he and a couple of other Leeds defenders used to train the apprentices in fouling techniques! I don't think City have ever had a real hard-man defender - honestly think that Huth and Was are two of the hardest I've ever seen in a City shirt. I'm hard pressed to name any one who was at all that nasty - Walshie was more like your rush-of-blood type. Souness and Keane were just nasty fvckers, although Souness was genuinely class. Great points , good read. Though your point on a city hardman , The nice boy upfront lads like Appleton ,Bobby Roberts, then Sjoberg and Cross were no shining violets. I use to take clippings of opposition interviews on Leicester .from late 60s until Bloomfields departure In fact I had made my own Album of Leicester exploits. (Teenager thing) Harris, Osgood, Giles and Bremner, plus some Liverpool players of that time had given good, insites to their own views of City players. E.Hughes used to like moaning over Cross and Sjoberg.The others mentioned gave a peers mutual respect, often showing also mixed feelings, when having been clattered themselves. All teams in that period had at least 2 hardman in their set up, and if I dare say alot more subtle than either Morgan and Huth. Todays use of Openly holding and arms around your opponent,would just not of happened, its a virus that slowly creeped in over the years. The honest filthy dangerous player of the past has gone, but the open snidey spitefull Tactics of Ex Italian and Spanish play have now been allowed to fester into the northern hemisphere. I honestly cant say what I prefer or detest. Putting my old school, macho stance Into a mans sport, I know I hate the Tactics and cheating aspects of today, What my Grandad Would describe has girlie weapons. The Yellow and Red cards Mentallity of today may have been well usefull, in the 60s and 70s. Where today the interpretation of the refs,/authorities/and fans on blatant fouls, holding and pushing in the P.area has become an irritating Uncomfortable acceptance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxy boxing Posted 23 October 2016 Share Posted 23 October 2016 We were always going to get criticised more this season especially after struggling away from home, it is something we will have to put up with if our standards slip, let's be honest we got so much praise last season and rightly so, we out there to be shot at so let's not make it easy for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 23 October 2016 Share Posted 23 October 2016 The guy is a total prat, and his views should flushed down the toilet, along with himself; .an odious geezer who I don't give a flying feck for. Break a leg, dumb arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countryfox Posted 23 October 2016 Share Posted 23 October 2016 6 minutes ago, DANGEROUS TIGER said: The guy is a total prat, and his views should flushed down the toilet, along with himself; .an odious geezer who I don't give a flying feck for. Break a leg, dumb arse. So you don't like him then Tiger ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchsntf Posted 23 October 2016 Share Posted 23 October 2016 On Saturday, October 22, 2016 at 07:41, erlee said: i would give an arm/leg for a top-6 finish than entering the quarters in the CL Shhhhh. !!! Ffs have you forgot that 5000/1 bet not long ago. Have you pre-ordered your wheelchair.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 24 October 2016 Share Posted 24 October 2016 On 23/10/2016 at 17:33, fuchsntf said: Shhhhh. !!! Ffs have you forgot that 5000/1 bet not long ago. Have you pre-ordered your wheelchair.. Yes, but for him not for me.. This geezer is a health hazard, and continues to bang up my blood pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchsntf Posted 24 October 2016 Share Posted 24 October 2016 29 minutes ago, DANGEROUS TIGER said: Yes, but for him not for me.. This geezer is a health hazard, and continues to bang up my blood pressure. Ah I see now ,!! hes a Sugar puff, and your tony the tiger.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sionnach gorm Posted 24 October 2016 Share Posted 24 October 2016 On October 21, 2016 at 03:54, shen said: Like anyone is under the illusion that the staff and players are happy about how things are going in the league. I'd still cut them some slack as coping without Kanté is as tough as we'd feared and the fixture list has been very, very tough. Exactly right. Last year Chelsea had the same issue as us. Fortunately we don't have a manager berating his team and dropping confidence even lower. Strangely it is not an uncommon occurrence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted 24 October 2016 Share Posted 24 October 2016 On 10/23/2016 at 08:07, Gerbold said: I don't think City have ever had a real hard-man defender - honestly think that Huth and Was are two of the hardest I've ever seen in a City shirt. I'm hard pressed to name any one who was at all that nasty - Walshie was more like your rush-of-blood type. I reckon this fella may disagree!! Back on topic, Roy Keane is still a cvnt etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterorange Posted 25 October 2016 Share Posted 25 October 2016 On 21/10/2016 at 10:48, crazyleicester said: As for Keane, the bloke is a low life. A player who walked away from his country in a major competition for off field stuff. For me, Id train in mud barefoot in winter if I was getting the chance to play for my country. A man who openly talks about ending another pros career with a horror tackle with no regrets, a failed football manager and an all round idiot bloke who thinks he is some bad man just gives idiotic interview after interview where he tries to come across like a troubled soul who knows it all when he knows fook all. This should be his Wikipedia entry. Brilliantly put. Problem for keepers now is exceptional saves are replayed in slow motion which makes them looks easier. I hate these clickbait articles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 25 October 2016 Share Posted 25 October 2016 2 hours ago, Gerbold said: Is that right? I've just taken a look at the incident again on YT - amongst all the expected comments one careful observer had noticed that, as Haaland receives the 'kick' his right knee is driven, by the force of Keane's outstretched leg, into his left (strapped) knee. The force of the blow bowls Haaland completely over. Have a good look yourself, The human knee has next-to-no lateral movement possibility so even the slightest pressure sidewards meets with immediate resistance. Watch what happens to Haaland's left leg. It goes through 180º of rapid movement and then stops when the hip joint reaches maximum lateral travel and his body and the ground applied inertia. Inevitably the knee joint (the left one) will experience whiplash - absorbing the energy of the leg's action. Even though it would be almost imperceptible to an observer the inside of the knee joint would have significant internal force exerted on it. It was unexpected and resulted in an unusual movement for the human body - like a cartwheel gone wrong. I think Haaland and City initially spoke of initiating a legal procedure but dropped it, probably under advice that it was not possible to prove. Lucky for him (and Keane) that his right leg was off the turf - because the right knee would have been catastrophically damaged otherwise. "Following the release of Keane's autobiography in 2002, Håland and Manchester City stated that they intended to take legal action against Keane. However, it emerged that Håland had stated on his personal website that he had been playing with the injury to his left knee a few months, that it did not receive a knock in the game to his left leg, (Keane went for his right leg) and that Keane did not cause his injury. Legal action was dropped in February 2003 after the club reviewed the medical advice. In a 2007 interview, Håland invited the interviewer to reach the conclusion that the foul from Keane was the root cause of his retirement as he never played a full match again." [from Wikipedia] So, as far as I'm concerned, whether you were defending Keane or just correcting me (or both) a. I will always view Keane as a vindictive, vengeful, nasty and misanthropic piece-of-work and b. view the incident as probably having contributed to the end of Haaland's career. Erm yes it is. You can read into it all you want, Haaland had a injury and had been playing with it for months, finished this game (I think) and then played afterwards, to be honest your assessment of the tackle is a little ludicrous, unless there was something seriously wrong with his knee to begin with (there was) that sort of action should not be causing short term damage never mind long term damage. That kind of action on the left could be caused by all manner of hard, clean challenges. You can see it there yourself in black and white that he has stated, himself, that Keane didn't cause his retirement and his left leg did not receive a knock in the game in question. He finished this game, and went on to play further games. It's quite blatant to see this tackle didn't even cause him that much pain during the rest of the match never mind long term. Yes he never played another full game but he had been struggling for months anyway and had the first of a series of operations at the end of the season (just a few games after, and a op he had needed, for months) in the summer and was never the same again. I can imagine his stance probably did change when he saw what was written in Keane's book, but he has a reason to lie now doesn't where as he had no reason when he originally stated no damage was done. People forget that while Roy Keane is everything you have called him above Alfe Inge Haaland is a massive bell end himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 26 October 2016 Share Posted 26 October 2016 14 minutes ago, Gerbold said: A little ludicrous, eh? Is that like that phrase 'with respect'? A bit of the pot calling the kettle black here I think. You're using simplistic evidence to deny there's the possibility of more complex underlying issues. Fair enough - this isn't a debating competition. It's just that you chose to 'correct' me and I chose to look a little more deeply. It's only an hypothesis. I believe I made a reasoned case for the possibility that Haaland might have received further damage to his left knee as a 'knock-on' effect of the kick he received. I've seen players poleaxed and stretchered off after merely trying to turn in an attempt to track an opponent. The human knee never evolved with football as an environmental prerogative - that's why there are specialist surgeons earning grand sums putting them right. As for playing on - it's conditioned into football players to do just that - witness Mendy trying to play on after an injury that's still not yet healed. You're not even taking into account the use of painkillers (and those elusive steroids) that are given to injured players to enable them to play when any health professional would advise they're rested. Haaland might be a massive bell-end himself, but I have no evidence of that. However Keane is just one of those men who has to be the 'hard-man' and the controversialist - and they employ him to do just that and it works with me - he gets right up my nose. Which says a lot about me too. Quite, but as I've said when it comes to evidence and hypothesis you don't get much more conclusive than the person that the knee is attached to saying "I didn't get a knock or any pain in that knee during that game" for me, but there we are. I wouldn't say that, you're far from alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPeakFox Posted 26 October 2016 Share Posted 26 October 2016 Roy Keane was a fine footballer (when he wasn't being a thug), but isn't a very kind or imaginative human being, and is in absolutely no position to assess psychological impact either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpe's Fox Posted 8 November 2016 Share Posted 8 November 2016 Gone after Everton now. Tbf most of it were fair, especially when he said they havnt won anything in ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1972 Fox Posted 9 November 2016 Share Posted 9 November 2016 The one thing you can be certain of with Keano is that he'll give it to you straight even if you don't agree with him. TBH I find it quite reassuring compared to most of the spineless pundits and managers in modern day football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLittleBigMan Posted 9 November 2016 Share Posted 9 November 2016 I like his beard. When it doesn't have bits of poo in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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