Buzzell Posted 6 December 2016 Share Posted 6 December 2016 1 hour ago, brigfox said: I just re-watched City and Everton, last home match, last season, played them off the park. Sky man of the match ? you guessed! Andy-only good enough for League 1- King. Great. So since then when has he actually did anything or performed at a consistent level to justify being in the squad? I understand he's in the squad purely on the fact we have nobody else to play in midfield but the fact of the matter is that he won't be involved once players are fit. We need to upgrade players like him who haven't progressed their ability for much more stronger and better quality of player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dylanlegend Posted 6 December 2016 Share Posted 6 December 2016 I think the problem with King is psychological. I actually think he's better than he thinks he is. He is clearly low on confidence as he seems to always make the easy sideways passes. He need to take more risks, the last 10 mins versus Sunderland he was actually driving the ball forward which is what you need from centre midfielders, take a few more risks Andy and we will love you even more!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxes21 Posted 6 December 2016 Share Posted 6 December 2016 Kingy isn't a bad player, he's just inconsistent. One game he'll boss it, the next he'll go missing. I think his best position is CAM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue army 1988 Posted 6 December 2016 Share Posted 6 December 2016 Great servant to LCFC but in my opinion he's not good enough for a top half premiership club, which is what we should be building towards after winning the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 6 December 2016 Share Posted 6 December 2016 The thing with King is, play him in a team that's doing well and he'll not let you down. He'll compliment the rest of the team and keep things ticking over, however the moment it gets a bit nasty and the pressures on then his limitations are very obvious. That's what you're seeing right now, he's not the sort of player to take the game by the scruff of the neck and get us out of trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brigfox Posted 6 December 2016 Share Posted 6 December 2016 1 hour ago, buzzer_b said: Great. So since then when has he actually did anything or performed at a consistent level to justify being in the squad? I understand he's in the squad purely on the fact we have nobody else to play in midfield but the fact of the matter is that he won't be involved once players are fit. We need to upgrade players like him who haven't progressed their ability for much more stronger and better quality of player. Not sure if you mean "squad" or "team", but anyhow: Since the end of last season which players have actually performed at a consistent level to justify being in the squad? The quality of our play this season has been abysmal for much of the time. How many of our current first-choice players need upgrading to "stronger and better quality" players?! Well, if you follow the logic through - all of them. Surely we can do better than Kasper? Surely we can do better than DD? etc etc Isn't King just being scapegoated? he's in the squad purely on the fact we have nobody else to play in midfield but the fact of the matter is that he won't be involved once players are fit. BTW last season, when all our players were fit (apart from James), King was in the squad and involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted 6 December 2016 Share Posted 6 December 2016 King's biggest asset is his ability to get forward and score, we are asking him to play a role in his biggest weakness, get him in a 3 man midfield and he would get around 10 goals a season from midfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzell Posted 6 December 2016 Share Posted 6 December 2016 1 hour ago, brigfox said: Not sure if you mean "squad" or "team", but anyhow: Since the end of last season which players have actually performed at a consistent level to justify being in the squad? The quality of our play this season has been abysmal for much of the time. How many of our current first-choice players need upgrading to "stronger and better quality" players?! Well, if you follow the logic through - all of them. Surely we can do better than Kasper? Surely we can do better than DD? etc etc Isn't King just being scapegoated? he's in the squad purely on the fact we have nobody else to play in midfield but the fact of the matter is that he won't be involved once players are fit. BTW last season, when all our players were fit (apart from James), King was in the squad and involved. With regards to Kasper and Drinkwater the answer to that question would be no. Both have been superb already this season and we know that they perform well at this level at a consistent level. To answer your other answer yes I understand he played a part of last season. But then we had in form Vardy and Mahrez and a world class player in Kante running the midfield. Call me scapegoating King, that's your opinion but my opinion is that he isn't good enough. He should of been replaced years ago imo. To me he's not got any better in years. Disappears in games. Hardly ever does anything worth taking note of and doesn't get his self in goal scoring positions like he did when we he was younger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CityFan 06 Posted 6 December 2016 Share Posted 6 December 2016 I think he'd be most effective in a three man midfield, CAM. Others have mentioned it, and I feel we'd see the best of him in an attacking position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzell Posted 6 December 2016 Share Posted 6 December 2016 1 minute ago, CityFan 06 said: I think he'd be most effective in a three man midfield, CAM. Others have mentioned it, and I feel we'd see the best of him in an attacking position. Maybe your right. To me it seems that he has turned himself into a defensive type midfielder but back in the day he looked like a more attacking player and that's where he used to bag quite a few goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CityFan 06 Posted 6 December 2016 Share Posted 6 December 2016 Just now, buzzer_b said: Maybe your right. To me it seems that he has turned himself into a defensive type midfielder but back in the day he looked like a more attacking player and that's where he used to bag quite a few goals. Yep. I think over the years he's developed the defensive side of his game. During matches he does do a lot of stuff, like Albrighton, which helps the team in a subtle way whether it be helping to set up an attack or assisting in defending. King has shown he's capable of scoring goals from midfield in previous times, and we could do with a player like that in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Maul Posted 6 December 2016 Share Posted 6 December 2016 2 hours ago, Ric Flair said: The thing with King is, play him in a team that's doing well and he'll not let you down. He'll compliment the rest of the team and keep things ticking over, however the moment it gets a bit nasty and the pressures on then his limitations are very obvious. That's what you're seeing right now, he's not the sort of player to take the game by the scruff of the neck and get us out of trouble. I agree with that. It's a shame though, because he was probably at his best for us in the 2010/11 season when we looked in trouble. Sometimes I just think he needs a bit more self-belief and have a shot when he gets a sight of goal, go back to the match winner he used to be for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain... Posted 6 December 2016 Share Posted 6 December 2016 If you think Andy King is shit, you don't understand football, he is a team player, you put him in a team playing well he will compliment the team and play well but put him in a team playing shit and he will not change that. He is a very intelligent player and marks space and prevents the pass being made, but if the rest of the team isn't doing the same then big gaps appear. He doesn't chase players down and make last ditch sliding tackles. He picks the ball up moves it on and moves into a better position, but if the rest of the team aren't getting into good forward positions he has to pass backwards, he isn't going to spray the ball 50 yards or thread the eye of a needle, if there is a quick forward pass on, he will make it, but those passes aren't on at the moment. He is not a flashy showy player, but he contributes in many ways, including goals, but his goals and good play come from teamwork and the team as a whole, and that includes King, are underperforming at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie1999 Posted 6 December 2016 Share Posted 6 December 2016 1 hour ago, Captain... said: If you think Andy King is shit, you don't understand football, he is a team player, you put him in a team playing well he will compliment the team and play well but put him in a team playing shit and he will not change that. He is a very intelligent player and marks space and prevents the pass being made, but if the rest of the team isn't doing the same then big gaps appear. He doesn't chase players down and make last ditch sliding tackles. He picks the ball up moves it on and moves into a better position, but if the rest of the team aren't getting into good forward positions he has to pass backwards, he isn't going to spray the ball 50 yards or thread the eye of a needle, if there is a quick forward pass on, he will make it, but those passes aren't on at the moment. He is not a flashy showy player, but he contributes in many ways, including goals, but his goals and good play come from teamwork and the team as a whole, and that includes King, are underperforming at the moment. A luxury player then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-blue-wildabeast Posted 6 December 2016 Share Posted 6 December 2016 7 hours ago, EnderbyFox said: The state of this post. The blokes got nearly 40 caps for his country, has always done a decent job when called upon. I agree he's not good enough to start games - but he's pretty bloody far from League 1/2 standard. Really...... Stop being a small club fan, have some ambition and expectation. Yes we will never be a Barca or Man Utd, but we are a decent sized club, with ambitious owners in the richest league in the world, currently the Champions of England and in the Champions League and the fact that Players like King, that wouldnt get a game in most Championship clubs, is why we are struggling massively. Even the lower leagues have international players, the fact he has got 40 caps, often as a sub for a small country with a small pool to pick from doesnt hide the fact he is a very poor and a totally ineffective player who shouldnt be a club wanting to move forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 6 December 2016 Share Posted 6 December 2016 1 minute ago, the-blue-wildabeast said: Really...... Stop being a small club fan, have some ambition and expectation. Yes we will never be a Barca or Man Utd, but we are a decent sized club, with ambitious owners in the richest league in the world, currently the Champions of England and in the Champions League and the fact that Players like King, that wouldnt get a game in most Championship clubs, is why we are struggling massively. Even the lower leagues have international players, the fact he has got 40 caps, often as a sub for a small country with a small pool to pick from doesnt hide the fact he is a very poor and a totally ineffective player who shouldnt be a club wanting to move forward. You give yourself the answer to your own question: We are a decent-sized club, but the gap to the big ones is too big and there's plenty of teams in between who are still bigger than us and/or more consistent on the domestic or international level. We'd have to establish ourselves first in the Premier League as a force to be reckoned with over a prolonged period of time, not be known as a one-hit wonder (which we are about to become). Ambition gets you nowhere without application. And it pains to say it, but we've got to stop living off the "Champions of England" tag, because the longer this abysmal run in the league goes on, the more laughable the motto becomes. The "international players in lower leagues" that you mention predominantly play for countries with little to no impact on the world stage and are thus negligible. King isn't poor, he just isn't starting material and particularly not in the role he's had to fill out so far under Ranieri. Besides, the "small country with a small pool" made it rather far in this summer's EURO tournament. Because they played the Leicester Way©. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr The Singh Posted 6 December 2016 Share Posted 6 December 2016 1 hour ago, yorkie1999 said: A luxury player then. He is defo not the equivalent of Andrex loo paper, more like 99p own brand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmarteyAndChill Posted 6 December 2016 Share Posted 6 December 2016 6 hours ago, Jimmy said: King's biggest asset is his ability to get forward and score, we are asking him to play a role in his biggest weakness, get him in a 3 man midfield and he would get around 10 goals a season from midfield Even meant Ozil doesn't get 10 goals in the league a season. Not a chance King will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 6 December 2016 Share Posted 6 December 2016 Looks like he plays with mendy and perhaps amartey in a three against citeh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaelicFox Posted 6 December 2016 Share Posted 6 December 2016 Football has lost its soul when a man like Andy King is berated and hounded The Blue of City grows sky blue by the day its enought to cancle your season ticket and go watch a non-league team sad and disturbing in so many ways @strokes you were right ! I couldn't last Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted 7 December 2016 Share Posted 7 December 2016 7 hours ago, Ted Maul said: I agree with that. It's a shame though, because he was probably at his best for us in the 2010/11 season when we looked in trouble. Sometimes I just think he needs a bit more self-belief and have a shot when he gets a sight of goal, go back to the match winner he used to be for us. And the biggest difference between then and now (besides the league we're in)? Then he had Yuki Abe (ball-winner) and Wellens (playmaker) alongside him so was free to get forward and support the strikers. Even in his early days it was never a 4-4-2, Oakley out wide essentially made it three in CM with how narrow he sat. Given the freedom to patrol, to mark the space and to push forward, King is a pretty good player, limited but lower end of the top flight. Play him as the main midfielder and expect him to carry his partners and you're setting him up to fail. 1 hour ago, AmarteyAndChill said: Even meant Ozil doesn't get 10 goals in the league a season. Not a chance King will. Entirely different types of player, so that's about as relevant as saying lampard regularly hit double figures so king should as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Maul Posted 7 December 2016 Share Posted 7 December 2016 7 hours ago, The Doctor said: And the biggest difference between then and now (besides the league we're in)? Then he had Yuki Abe (ball-winner) and Wellens (playmaker) alongside him so was free to get forward and support the strikers. Even in his early days it was never a 4-4-2, Oakley out wide essentially made it three in CM with how narrow he sat. Given the freedom to patrol, to mark the space and to push forward, King is a pretty good player, limited but lower end of the top flight. Play him as the main midfielder and expect him to carry his partners and you're setting him up to fail. 100%. 4-4-2 is the main problem this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxinsocks Posted 7 December 2016 Share Posted 7 December 2016 What's the formation where you carry a player who doesn't challenge for the ball... gets muscled off the ball. .... looks for a pass when in front of goal... and spends the game spectating? If we can find it then kingy will be an asset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie1999 Posted 7 December 2016 Share Posted 7 December 2016 18 minutes ago, foxinsocks said: What's the formation where you carry a player who doesn't challenge for the ball... gets muscled off the ball. .... looks for a pass when in front of goal... and spends the game spectating? If we can find it then kingy will be an asset 4-5-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxinsocks Posted 7 December 2016 Share Posted 7 December 2016 3 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said: 4-5-2 He'll have to compete with me for his place then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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