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#301 User is offline   Jimmy

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 12:34 AM

you really think Vettel would come through the field the way Kimi did in an inferior car and get anywhere near Kimi if they swapped places, congratulations he had enough to hold Kimi off once he'd used up his tires to make up the ground, straight fight, in equal equipment every other world champion on the grid would destroy him.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 06:06 AM

you really think Vettel would come through the field the way Kimi did in an inferior car and get anywhere near Kimi if they swapped places, congratulations he had enough to hold Kimi off once he'd used up his tires to make up the ground, straight fight, in equal equipment every other world champion on the grid would destroy him.


Who knows where Vettel would have finished if he qualified 11th, we've not seen him start down the grid enough times in the last 3 years to say. That's because he's been in the best car, which he earnt in 2007 and 2008, where he came from low grid positions all the time to take decent points in a Toro Rosso. Vettel wouldn't be destroyed by anybody.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 06:38 AM

Take it you didn't watch then! Button retired with car problems, nothing to do with his racing ability.


:P I know, i know...

It was more a response to Jimmy's repetitive 'VETTEL IS A TERRIBLE RACER BUT OHHH...JENSON...LEWIS...AMAZING...WANK WANK WANK.' drivel.

If he's just a 'time trialer', then why is he currently leading the championship despite (to my recollection) not leading in any of the first three races?
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 06:12 PM

18 years ago today, Roland Ratzenberger died while trying to qualify for the San Marino Grand Prix.

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The next day, three time World Champion Ayrton Senna died while leading the San Marino Grand Prix.

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R.I.P Roland and Ayrton.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 01:56 PM

I'm flying out to Barcelona tommorow for the Spanish Gp at the weekend. Usually a processional race, but this season's been quite unpredictable. Got a seat at the end of the pit straight, most likely overtaking spot Posted Image
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Posted 11 May 2012 - 12:56 PM

FP1 Times

1. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m24.430
2. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1m24.808s + 0.378
3. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1m24.912s + 0.482
4. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1m24.996s + 0.566
5. Valtteri Bottas Williams-Renault 1m25.120s + 0.690
6. Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1m25.187s + 0.757
7. Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1m25.217s + 0.787
8. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1m25.252s + 0.822
9. Kimi Raikkonen Lotus-Renault 1m25.285s + 0.855
10. Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1m25.339s + 0.909
11. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m25.367s + 0.937
12. Felipe Massa Ferrari 1m25.433s + 1.003
13. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1m25.539s + 1.109
14. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m25.607s + 1.177
15. Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1m25.918s + 1.488
16. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m26.226s + 1.796
17. Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1m26.297s + 1.867
18. Jules Bianchi Force India-Mercedes 1m26.630s + 2.200
19. Vitaly Petrov Caterham-Renault 1m27.475s + 3.045
20. Timo Glock Marussia-Cosworth 1m28.267s + 3.837
21. Alexander Rossi Caterham-Renault 1m28.448s + 4.018
22. Charles Pic Marussia-Cosworth 1m28.633s + 4.203
23. Pedro de la Rosa HRT-Cosworth 1m29.107s + 4.677
24. Dani Clos HRT-Cosworth 1m31.618s + 7.188

Quite alot of test drivers in this session.

Edited by Amin, 11 May 2012 - 03:12 PM.

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 03:11 PM

FP2 Times

1. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1m23.399
2. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1m23.563s + 0.164
3. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m23.771s + 0.372
4. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1m23.909s + 0.510
5. Kimi Raikkonen Lotus-Renault 1m23.918s + 0.519
6. Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1m23.964s + 0.565
7. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1m24.065s + 0.666
8. Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1m24.080s + 0.681
9. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1m24.214s + 0.815
10. Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1m24.365s + 0.966
11. Felipe Massa Ferrari 1m24.418s + 1.019
12. Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1m24.422s + 1.023
13. Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1m24.468s + 1.069
14. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m24.600s + 1.201
15. Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1m24.688s + 1.289
16. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m24.733s + 1.334
17. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m24.769s + 1.370
18. Bruno Senna Williams-Renault 1m25.047s + 1.648
19. Heikki Kovalainen Caterham-Renault 1m26.296s + 2.897
20. Vitaly Petrov Caterham-Renault 1m26.740s + 3.341
21. Timo Glock Marussia-Cosworth 1m27.314s + 3.915
22. Charles Pic Marussia-Cosworth 1m27.664s + 4.265
23. Pedro de la Rosa HRT-Cosworth 1m28.235s + 4.836
24. Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth no time

McLaren and Lotus showing good long run pace.

Edited by Amin, 11 May 2012 - 03:14 PM.

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 04:52 PM

I´m enjoying the Spanish Gp so far. Did the official pit walk yesterday, got Di Resta´s, Vergne´s and Perez autographs. They had a roaming grandstand day today, so you could sit anywhere you wanted :thumbup:
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Posted 11 May 2012 - 07:39 PM

the Spanish GP is boring, they spend so much time their they get their set ups right and never any overtaking
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Posted 11 May 2012 - 09:20 PM

I´m enjoying the Spanish Gp so far. Did the official pit walk yesterday, got Di Resta´s, Vergne´s and Perez autographs. They had a roaming grandstand day today, so you could sit anywhere you wanted :thumbup:


I noticed that Calado got the GP2 pole today, which I'm sure you enjoyed.

the Spanish GP is boring, they spend so much time their they get their set ups right and never any overtaking


Last years race was pretty good, and with the tyres, DRS and the openess of the championship, this years might not be too bad either.
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Posted 11 May 2012 - 10:25 PM

I noticed that Calado got the GP2 pole today, which I'm sure you enjoyed.



Last years race was pretty good, and with the tyres, DRS and the openess of the championship, this years might not be too bad either.


they do so much aero work at that track in testing its never a good race, they know it too well so unless it pisses down its dull. Last years was good for the Spanish GP, not good by comparison

Edited by Jimmy, 11 May 2012 - 10:26 PM.

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 10:58 PM

they do so much aero work at that track in testing its never a good race, they know it too well so unless it pisses down its dull. Last years was good for the Spanish GP, not good by comparison


62 on-track overtakes is not bad by any standard.
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Posted 12 May 2012 - 12:00 PM

FP3 Times

1. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1m23.168
2. Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1m23.336s + 0.168
3. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1m23.350s + 0.182
4. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1m23.578s + 0.410
5. Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1m23.742s + 0.574
6. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m23.807s + 0.639
7. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m23.833s + 0.665
8. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1m23.909s + 0.741
9. Kimi Raikkonen Lotus-Renault 1m23.936s + 0.768
10. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m24.070s + 0.902
11. Felipe Massa Ferrari 1m24.179s + 1.011
12. Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1m24.323s + 1.155
13. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m24.331s + 1.163
14. Bruno Senna Williams-Renault 1m24.409s + 1.241
15. Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1m24.599s + 1.431
16. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1m24.778s + 1.610
17. Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1m24.825s + 1.657
18. Vitaly Petrov Caterham-Renault 1m25.911s + 2.743
19. Heikki Kovalainen Caterham-Renault 1m26.587s + 3.419
20. Charles Pic Marussia-Cosworth 1m27.469s + 4.301
21. Timo Glock Marussia-Cosworth 1m27.689s + 4.521
22. Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 1m28.207s + 5.039
23. Pedro de la Rosa HRT-Cosworth 1m28.373s + 5.205
24. Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault no time
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Posted 12 May 2012 - 01:03 PM

What an odd qualifying that was. Hamilton thrashes everyone but Maldonado comes 2nd and Alonso comes 3rd! WTF!
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Posted 12 May 2012 - 01:06 PM

Hamilton so much faster, hopefully just a minor issue to why he stopped after his cracking lap.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 04:57 PM

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/99562


Hamilton's Spanish Grand Prix pole position hanging in the balance
By Jonathan Noble Saturday, May 12th 2012, 16:41 GMT



Posted ImageMcLaren team principal Martin Whitmarsh has all but admitted that Lewis Hamilton's pole position for the Spanish Grand Prix hangs in the balance, ahead of a stewards' meeting to discuss the circumstances that forced the British driver to stop on track after his qualifying lap.
Hamilton secured McLaren's 150th pole position at the Circuit de Catalunya on Saturday, but shortly after taking the chequered flag he was ordered to stop by the team because of an unidentified problem.
Under the rules, drivers are supposed to return to parc ferme under their own power and with a minimum of one-litre of fuel on board to be able to supply a sample to the FIA.
It is not acceptable for drivers to stop early simply to save petrol for the sample - because that would give them a competitive advantage as they could run with less fuel, and therefore less weight, during their qualifying lap.
Following a directive issued at the 2010 Canadian Grand Prix, after Lewis Hamilton and McLaren were given a reprimand and a $10,000 fine for stopping deliberately on a slowing down lap after qualifying to save fuel, the FIA has made it clear that only genuine technical problems would be acceptable.
FIA race director Charlie Whiting said in a note issued on race morning in Canada: "Any team whose car stops on the slowing down lap after the race will be asked by the stewards to explain why this happened.
"If they are not satisfied that the reasons were beyond the control of the driver or team, and feel that this has been done deliberately to gain a competitive advantage, appropriate action will be taken."
Whitmarsh would not expand on the reasons for Hamilton being told to stop, but said that the FIA had been able to take its sample.
"There was enough fuel to take a fuel sample, but we stopped the car – and we are now talking to the stewards about that," he explained. "There was 1.3-litres of fuel taken out of the car."
When asked if he was confident about Hamilton's pole position standing, he said: "I don't know. But I hope so – Lewis did a fantastic job throughout that session and we have all seen how difficult it is at the moment to be consistent, to switch everything on at the right time.
"Lewis and his team did a great job, so it was a massive margin by the situation within F1 at the moment so undoubtedly he deserves to be there."
Whitmarsh refused to be drawn on offering any insight into the reasons behind Hamilton being given the order to stop.
But a suggestion that the problem was in the pits rather than on the car could point to a problem in the pits meaning not enough fuel went into the car ahead of his final run.
"It is a technical problem that happened in the garage that didn't impede the performance of the car in anyway, and we stopped the car when it had 1.3-litres of fuel in the car," said Whitmarsh.
He added: "There was a technical problem that led to that situation. I think it is not for me to decide; but I would believe that to be a force majeure but it is up to the stewards to decide."
Whitmarsh was adamant, however, that Hamilton had enough fuel in the car to be able to complete his in-lap and supply the one litre sample.



Another fuk-up by McLaren if true.

Edit: Hamilton disqualified from qualifying, he will start in 24th place. Maldonado now in pole! Crazy stuff.

Edited by Amin, 12 May 2012 - 05:53 PM.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 06:07 PM

Lewis Hamilton has performed imperiously this season in my opinion. But christ what ever could go wrong HAS gone wrong for him. Can't see him staying with McLaren for too much longer it pains me to say.
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Posted 12 May 2012 - 06:07 PM

so long as he doesn't go to the Italians, it's almost like Martin Whitmarsh is trying to get him to leave

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 06:13 PM

so long as he doesn't go to the Italians, it's almost like Martin Whitmarsh is trying to get him to leave


Teaming up with Alonso again? I doubt that very much! Replacement for Webber at Red Bull? (If it happens)
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Posted 12 May 2012 - 06:14 PM

Teaming up with Alonso again? I doubt that very much! Replacement for Webber at Red Bull? (If it happens)


I'd love that, I'd back Lewis to put Vettel in his shadow, that's if the German and his protector would actually have the balls to sign him

Edited by Jimmy, 12 May 2012 - 06:16 PM.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 06:42 PM

That thread has snapped. :ph34r:

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/18047760
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Posted 12 May 2012 - 07:34 PM

I´m not happy :(
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Posted 12 May 2012 - 07:39 PM

You couldn't make it up:

"The fuel rig guy put the rig on, but he had the handle set to drain fuel. He discovered his mistake and switched it to put fuel in the car. But as a result he didn't put as much fuel in it as he should have.


:facepalm: lol
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Posted 12 May 2012 - 07:41 PM

with all the pit stop issues and now this some heads at McLaren have to roll they are ****ing things up big time every GP this season.

Whitmarsh, the chief mechanic at least have to be haulled in buy Ron Dennis, who should bite the bullet and be more hands on again
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Posted 12 May 2012 - 07:55 PM

with all the pit stop issues and now this some heads at McLaren have to roll they are ****ing things up big time every GP this season.

Whitmarsh, the chief mechanic at least have to be haulled in buy Ron Dennis, who should bite the bullet and be more hands on again


Apparently they ve already got rid of one of the mechanics from the last race.
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Posted 12 May 2012 - 07:58 PM

Apparently they ve already got rid of one of the mechanics from the last race.


The problem is the man at the very top is incompetent
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Posted 12 May 2012 - 08:23 PM

Feel so sorry for Hamilton, everything bad seems to happen to him.
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Posted 12 May 2012 - 08:24 PM

Overtaking here is really hard.In the GP2 & GP3 races today there was very little overtaking,
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Posted 12 May 2012 - 08:38 PM

I don't think he'll have any trouble finishing in the points. And, if his car really is as fast as it was in quali, I wouldn't rule him out for a cheeky podium.

But gutted for him, he must be fuming. Hope it doesn't translate to an overly aggressive race where stewards have to get involved again.
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Posted 12 May 2012 - 09:07 PM

Yet again a shite decision by the FIA, even with enough fuel he would have been on top....
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