Animal rights

[ozleicester]

Ok, just in case anyone would like to continue the discussion i thought it best to open a new topic rather than hijack others. Im happy to keep discussing, or ill just pop in the occasional interesting video for anyone who is interested.

Here's a nice, intelligent, rational and well put starting point...

Oh and he refers to "Earthlings" in the speech, It is 90 minutes long and horrendously graphic, but if you want to know where im coming from....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky4RGYva90E&feature=related

[SOCCERROO FOX]

[ozleicester]

Very eloquent ROO

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[Captain...]

I will ask my question again from the grind my gears thread. Would you support a mass cull of cattle and other tasty animals in exchange for the world going veggie?

Edited 12 July 2012 by Captain Shrapnel

[Trav Le Bleu]

I will ask my question again from the grind my gears thread. Would you support a mass cull of cattle and other tasty animals in exchange for the world going veggie?

This is true. If the world went veggie millions of animals breed purely for meat would either be slaughtered or left to starve. Farmer's are not the altruistic "guardians of the countryside" that they like to portray (at least, not most of them.)

[Zingari]

Sometimes I think we must just accept that we are a part of nature, and that nature is red in tooth and claw.

I understand all the arguments for vegetarianism etc, but I think that should just be left to the conscience of the individual.

If someone wants to live as a veggie , that’s fine by me and I don’t mind anyone trying to persuade me to do it . But in the end the decision should be mine.

I do think that animal welfare in farms etc should by a high priority, and they should be treated with as much care as possible

How would populations such as Inuit / Eskimo continue to live in a totally veggie world ?

[skinnydipper]

Sometimes I think we must just accept that we are a part of nature, and that nature is red in tooth and claw.

I understand all the arguments for vegetarianism etc, but I think that should just be left to the conscience of the individual.

If someone wants to live as a veggie , that’s fine by me and I don’t mind anyone trying to persuade me to do it . But in the end the decision should be mine.

I do think that animal welfare in farms etc should by a high priority, and they should be treated with as much care as possible

How would populations such as Inuit / Eskimo continue to live in a totally veggie world ?

Frozen peas?

[Zingari]

Frozen peas?

Ah yes , they could just pop into Iceland and stock up on veggie stuff .

[Guest]

Ah yes , they could just pop into Iceland and stock up on veggie stuff .

No, I think he was commenting on the difficulty of urinating for a veggie eskimo.

[Guest]

"Man is the only creature that consumes without producing. He does not give milk, he does not lay eggs, he is too weak to pull the plough, he cannot run fast enough to catch rabbits. Yet he is lord of all the animals. He sets them to work, he gives back to them the bare minimum that will prevent them from starving, and the rest he keeps for himself."

- George Orwell,

"FOUR LEGS GOOD, TWO LEGS BAD"

[Zingari]

No, I think he was commenting on the difficulty of urinating for a veggie eskimo.

ahh I see .

life would be pretty unpleasant in those tiny igloos if they were made to eat lots of beans and pulses

[Guest]

diarrhea in an igloo.

[Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo]

"Man is the only creature that consumes without producing. He does not give milk, he does not lay eggs, he is too weak to pull the plough, he cannot run fast enough to catch rabbits. Yet he is lord of all the animals. He sets them to work, he gives back to them the bare minimum that will prevent them from starving, and the rest he keeps for himself."

- George Orwell,

"FOUR LEGS GOOD, TWO LEGS BAD"

Orwell has a point, but he's wrong...

I lay eggs on a regular basis (everyone loves the smell of their own). Let's not get onto milk.

[Guest]

Orwell has a point, but he's wrong...

I lay eggs on a regular basis (everyone loves the smell of their own). Let's not get onto milk.

Now I'm interested.

[Charl91]

I'm all for Animal rights. However, that's not the same as being a veggie. I don't mind eating animals as long as they were treated fairly during their life-time.

[Guest MattP]

Animals should be slaughtered in a humane way that doesn't cause suffering or as little as possible but that's about as far I go for animal rights.

The human race hasn't worked it way towards the top of the food chain to sit there eating a salad, those teeth as the back of your mouth haven't come about for you to eat peas. I have no idea how anyone can even be a vegetarian, meat is the finest food on the planet.

What about people who can't afford not to kill animals for food?

[purpleronnie]

Animals should be slaughtered in a humane way that doesn't cause suffering or as little as possible but that's about as far I go for animal rights.

The human race hasn't worked it way towards the top of the food chain to sit there eating a salad, those teeth as the back of your mouth haven't come about for you to eat peas. I have no idea how anyone can even be a vegetarian, meat is the finest food on the planet.

What about people who can't afford not to kill animals for food?

[The Doctor]

That's been over-cooked. For shame, for shame.

[Guest MattP]

That's been over-cooked. For shame, for shame.

Spot on. This is how every steak should be eaten.

[Rincewind]

I've just had four chicken portions and a jacket potatoe. It was a pack of reduced coated wings and legs from sainsburys. £1.99. Got four more for later or tomorrow. Only have a mini oven but it did the job when wrapped in tin foil.

[lavrentis]

Funny that people are showing Oz pics of meat as if he doesn't know what meat looks like ?

[Rincewind]

Just giving him a taster of what could be.

[Houdini Logic]

I'm vegetarian but put simply it's because I feel I can live a healthy life without eating meat. So I don't.

Not much more to it than that

[SOCCERROO FOX]

Funny that people are showing Oz pics of meat as if he doesn't know what meat looks like ?

I think you missed the point mate