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Mark 'expert' Lawrenson

Teachers Strike March 26th

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Schools in England and Wales are set to be hit by a teachers' strike on 26 March in a dispute over pay, pensions and conditions.

Does anybody besides teachers actually support the teachers strike? I certainly don't support them.

They supposedly are typically working 60 hours a week, really? And if this figure is true then it all evens itself out with the huge amounts of time off they have compared to other workers. They also complain about their pensions and not being able to claim it in full until their 68 years old, well hard luck, join the real world.

Also, they complain that In the summer, schools can start to useTory education minister Michael Gove's performance-pay legislation to rob teachers of their annual pay progression. Well what is wrong with this policy? The important words are performance pay, if you under perform in work why should you get a pay rise? This is not robbery.

I would be interested to hear all the different opinions on the strike.

And no, I am not a member of the Tory party, just a normal working man with a mortgage and 2 kids (1 school age)

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No.

 

I do on average 55 - 60 hours a week and i'm probably paid less than majority of teachers (Despite what i'd say is a half decent wage), my career choice, I knew that, I don't moan about it, i'm only pointing it out as a fact on this subject. The only advantage is I can bump my wage up with overtime.

 

I sometimes work Saturday and Sundays and I only get the bare minimum of holidays.

 

I've worked since the day I left school, so could argue I have 5, 6 maybe even 7 working years before a teacher even starts work, yet I still have to work till i'm about dead unless I don't plan for the future. - Which I am and let me tell you I won't be working till i'm about dead.

 

You could also argue my job is more dangerous that a teachers - Do I get any extra money for that? No.

 

It was my career choice, like it was theirs, like it or lump it. Get on with it or get out.

 

In short - They are paid more than me, do that same if not less hours than me, get alot more holidays than me, have a shorter career than me, sounds pretty good, well done to them, can't fault em'.

 

At the end of the day pretty much everyone in any job, in any walk of life is getting screwed over someway or another but why teachers have so much self pitty I do not know.

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They should be crushed just  like the miners !!

 

Let's have some running  battles with the police  in the fields again .and shut all the chalk faces down.  That's what i say .  The greedy ldle bastrads !!

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They should be crushed just  like the miners !!

 

Let's have some running  battles with the police  in the fields again .and shut all the chalk faces down.  That's what i say .  The greedy ldle bastrads !!

 

I can imagine the rozzers fleeing in terror from AOWW. :ph34r:

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I have to say I was very surprised at the 60 hour average figure.  If a teacher is genuinely spending an average (i.e. some weeks even more) of 60 hours actually working (not including travelling, breaks etc.) then that's very impressive and hats off to them.

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"I'm a Teacher. I have to work late and do marking at home, I should be able to retire before everyone because I'm a teacher and that makes me really important. and I have to put up with awful children all the time. Yeah I know it was my choice but I want more money"

 

"Bloody lazy teachers. I work outside in bad weather and get payed less than them, my job's more real world. Teachers do nothing but sit on netflix anyway, shouldnt be payed peanuts. join the real world!"

 

"Teachers are striking because the nasty Tories are violating their rights. Tories are always stepping on the common man, everyone should have unsustainable wages and pensions. It could work, just need to tax the bankers more."

 

"did I mention my job is more real world? It is you know!"

 

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Schools in England and Wales are set to be hit by a teachers' strike on 26 March in a dispute over pay, pensions and conditions.

Does anybody besides teachers actually support the teachers strike? I certainly don't support them.

They supposedly are typically working 60 hours a week, really? And if this figure is true then it all evens itself out with the huge amounts of time off they have compared to other workers. They also complain about their pensions and not being able to claim it in full until their 68 years old, well hard luck, join the real world.

Also, they complain that In the summer, schools can start to useTory education minister Michael Gove's performance-pay legislation to rob teachers of their annual pay progression. Well what is wrong with this policy? The important words are performance pay, if you under perform in work why should you get a pay rise? This is not robbery.

I would be interested to hear all the different opinions on the strike.

And no, I am not a member of the Tory party, just a normal working man with a mortgage and 2 kids (1 school age)

 

 

 

So what if they sometimes work 60 hours, poor dears. Lots of us work longer than that and without the long, leisurely holidays to compensate. Teachers have long been Lefty-led politicals full of their own importance and have never stopped complaining and peddling their philosophies in public.

 

I took my youngest out of school completely and never regretted it for a moment.

 

And just looking round at a country seemingly awash with people who can't read, write or count properly only convinces me that teachers would better serve our nation working harder and more effectively than ever complaining about their already over-privileged pay and conditions.

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No point in reading most of this thread, 99% will end up being ignorant teacher bashing anyway.

 

My other half is a teacher, not part of the NUT, she went into school to work on October 1st when there was a strike which included her union, she'll be going into work on Wednesday when there's a strike as it's not part of her union (and as you'll see she'd have gone in anyway.)

 

But of course she's probably a c*nt in most of your eyes, that's fine. She works her absolute bollocks off and is marking right now, and probably spend 8 hours on a Sunday marking. Leaves for work at half seven and gets home around 6pm each weekday, and if there's nothing on on Saturday she'll probably mark too. Pretty difficult to pin her down to do things. My sister is just the same as she's a teacher as well.

 

But of course they're probably c*nts to you lot because they became teachers.

 

During the summer holidays, Easter holidays and half term they work. They might get a couple of weeks where they will have a vacation but in the main they work, planning for the year ahead in the summer, marking assessments and catching up with what they can't get done in the working day in term-time holidays. But of course these are classed as holidays, so they're c*nts, I forgot about that.

 

My OH and sister care about the kids they teach, a lot. They work their fingers off, buying things with their own money to reward kids (which I think is ridiculous but SOME kids aged 11-16 these days seem to need things given to them to motivate them) and spending a vast amount of their evenings and weekends planning, producing and marking when they're home from work.

 

They themselves will tell you that there are some teachers that enforce the ignorant stereotype you perpetuate. Some don't deserve to be called teachers, there are older ones there collecting their pension and younger ones who float on by when they can. But most care and work hard, the fact they're called a teacher instantly means they're a workshy c*nt though, isn't it?

 

Oh yes, the Tories moan about teaching standards but they seem to be doing everything right in driving the decent teachers away from the industry, I'd hate to think what my OH and sister earn on an hourly basis, it'll be pathetic. The sooner I can persuade her to teach abroad the better.

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No point in reading most of this thread, 99% will end up being ignorant teacher bashing anyway.

 

My other half is a teacher, not part of the NUT, she went into school to work on October 1st when there was a strike which included her union, she'll be going into work on Wednesday when there's a strike as it's not part of her union (and as you'll see she'd have gone in anyway.)

 

But of course she's probably a c*nt in most of your eyes, that's fine. She works her absolute bollocks off and is marking right now, and probably spend 8 hours on a Sunday marking. Leaves for work at half seven and gets home around 6pm each weekday, and if there's nothing on on Saturday she'll probably mark too. Pretty difficult to pin her down to do things. My sister is just the same as she's a teacher as well.

 

But of course they're probably c*nts to you lot because they became teachers.

 

During the summer holidays, Easter holidays and half term they work. They might get a couple of weeks where they will have a vacation but in the main they work, planning for the year ahead in the summer, marking assessments and catching up with what they can't get done in the working day in term-time holidays. But of course these are classed as holidays, so they're c*nts, I forgot about that.

 

My OH and sister care about the kids they teach, a lot. They work their fingers off, buying things with their own money to reward kids (which I think is ridiculous but SOME kids aged 11-16 these days seem to need things given to them to motivate them) and spending a vast amount of their evenings and weekends planning, producing and marking when they're home from work.

 

They themselves will tell you that there are some teachers that enforce the ignorant stereotype you perpetuate. Some don't deserve to be called teachers, there are older ones there collecting their pension and younger ones who float on by when they can. But most care and work hard, the fact they're called a teacher instantly means they're a workshy c*nt though, isn't it?

 

Oh yes, the Tories moan about teaching standards but they seem to be doing everything right in driving the decent teachers away from the industry, I'd hate to think what my OH and sister earn on an hourly basis, it'll be pathetic. The sooner I can persuade her to teach abroad the better.

 

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Everyone should read this post before commenting on this topic. Superb.

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No point in reading most of this thread, 99% will end up being ignorant teacher bashing anyway.

 

My other half is a teacher, not part of the NUT, she went into school to work on October 1st when there was a strike which included her union, she'll be going into work on Wednesday when there's a strike as it's not part of her union (and as you'll see she'd have gone in anyway.)

 

But of course she's probably a c*nt in most of your eyes, that's fine. She works her absolute bollocks off and is marking right now, and probably spend 8 hours on a Sunday marking. Leaves for work at half seven and gets home around 6pm each weekday, and if there's nothing on on Saturday she'll probably mark too. Pretty difficult to pin her down to do things. My sister is just the same as she's a teacher as well.

 

But of course they're probably c*nts to you lot because they became teachers.

 

During the summer holidays, Easter holidays and half term they work. They might get a couple of weeks where they will have a vacation but in the main they work, planning for the year ahead in the summer, marking assessments and catching up with what they can't get done in the working day in term-time holidays. But of course these are classed as holidays, so they're c*nts, I forgot about that.

 

My OH and sister care about the kids they teach, a lot. They work their fingers off, buying things with their own money to reward kids (which I think is ridiculous but SOME kids aged 11-16 these days seem to need things given to them to motivate them) and spending a vast amount of their evenings and weekends planning, producing and marking when they're home from work.

 

They themselves will tell you that there are some teachers that enforce the ignorant stereotype you perpetuate. Some don't deserve to be called teachers, there are older ones there collecting their pension and younger ones who float on by when they can. But most care and work hard, the fact they're called a teacher instantly means they're a workshy c*nt though, isn't it?

 

Oh yes, the Tories moan about teaching standards but they seem to be doing everything right in driving the decent teachers away from the industry, I'd hate to think what my OH and sister earn on an hourly basis, it'll be pathetic. The sooner I can persuade her to teach abroad the better.

 

I'll be losing out. I've got to use my holidays for every hospital/doctors appointment my kids have anyway, as I can't make up the time through flexible working, so taking another day off for a teacher's strike should pish me right off. But it doesn't. I have many friends who are teachers, and I agree with your post's sentiment.

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I work about 55 hours per week on average. No overtime pay. Bare minimum holiday allowance. Minimal matched pension contributions. No early retirement unless I save for it. Job is stressful and carries a lot of responsibility. It's impossible to switch off from work even on holiday.

This I imagine is what most people's lives are like. Quite why teachers consider themselves a special case I really can't begin to comphrehend.

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So what if they sometimes work 60 hours, poor dears. Lots of us work longer than that and without the long, leisurely holidays to compensate. Teachers have long been Lefty-led politicals full of their own importance and have never stopped complaining and peddling their philosophies in public.

I took my youngest out of school completely and never regretted it for a moment.

And just looking round at a country seemingly awash with people who can't read, write or count properly only convinces me that teachers would better serve our nation working harder and more effectively than ever complaining about their already over-privileged pay and conditions.

You really think that literacy is poor because teachers aren't working hard enough? I think it has more to do with the educational system they are forced to operate in.

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I work about 55 hours per week on average. No overtime pay. Bare minimum holiday allowance. Minimal matched pension contributions. No early retirement unless I save for it. Job is stressful and carries a lot of responsibility. It's impossible to switch off from work even on holiday.

This I imagine is what most people's lives are like. Quite why teachers consider themselves a special case I really can't begin to comphrehend.

 

And I have no doubt you earn every penny of your wage, Moose, given what you've said in the past and here about your job. But because you and many others enjoy - or merely tolerate - such a high-stress, austere job doesn't mean everyone else should enjoy or tolerate it too. There has to be a choice.

 

The 'equivalence' argument being used here is so passe and weak, and gets dug out every public group engages in strike action. 

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I can imagine the rozzers fleeing in terror from AOWW. :ph34r:

can you imagine the scenario ?

just replace tit helmets with mortar boards , 

truncheons with blackboard dusters

bits of chalk instead of lumps of coal being thrown as missiles.........this could turn very nasty indeed

 

Miners-strike-008.jpg

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And I have no doubt you earn every penny of your wage, Moose, given what you've said in the past and here about your job. But because you and many others enjoy - or merely tolerate - such a high-stress, austere job doesn't mean everyone else should enjoy or tolerate it too. There has to be a choice.

The 'equivalence' argument being used here is so passe and weak, and gets dug out every public group engages in strike action.

There is a choice. I chose my job, teachers chose theirs. We can all choose to find another job if we don't like the one we've got.

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No point in reading most of this thread, 99% will end up being ignorant teacher bashing anyway.

 

My other half is a teacher, not part of the NUT, she went into school to work on October 1st when there was a strike which included her union, she'll be going into work on Wednesday when there's a strike as it's not part of her union (and as you'll see she'd have gone in anyway.)

 

But of course she's probably a c*nt in most of your eyes, that's fine. She works her absolute bollocks off and is marking right now, and probably spend 8 hours on a Sunday marking. Leaves for work at half seven and gets home around 6pm each weekday, and if there's nothing on on Saturday she'll probably mark too. Pretty difficult to pin her down to do things. My sister is just the same as she's a teacher as well.

 

But of course they're probably c*nts to you lot because they became teachers.

 

During the summer holidays, Easter holidays and half term they work. They might get a couple of weeks where they will have a vacation but in the main they work, planning for the year ahead in the summer, marking assessments and catching up with what they can't get done in the working day in term-time holidays. But of course these are classed as holidays, so they're c*nts, I forgot about that.

 

My OH and sister care about the kids they teach, a lot. They work their fingers off, buying things with their own money to reward kids (which I think is ridiculous but SOME kids aged 11-16 these days seem to need things given to them to motivate them) and spending a vast amount of their evenings and weekends planning, producing and marking when they're home from work.

 

They themselves will tell you that there are some teachers that enforce the ignorant stereotype you perpetuate. Some don't deserve to be called teachers, there are older ones there collecting their pension and younger ones who float on by when they can. But most care and work hard, the fact they're called a teacher instantly means they're a workshy c*nt though, isn't it?

 

Oh yes, the Tories moan about teaching standards but they seem to be doing everything right in driving the decent teachers away from the industry, I'd hate to think what my OH and sister earn on an hourly basis, it'll be pathetic. The sooner I can persuade her to teach abroad the better.

Presumably she's not a biology teacher , or are you wedded to someone  like  Hayley Cropper ? :D

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