Howard99 Posted 28 October 2014 Share Posted 28 October 2014 Apologies for yet another topic haha. But surely this man will be up for a game against the baggies. He spent about 5 years there without ever getting a proper chance. He's bound to score! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_lcfc_85 Posted 28 October 2014 Share Posted 28 October 2014 I just think he deserves more of a chance regardless...... He's a decent player thats not had a fair crack of the whip imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 28 October 2014 Share Posted 28 October 2014 Not sure. He had some good games against mediocre opposition when he first came. Since then he hasn't done anything that would suggest he's any more than a mid-table Championship striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_lcfc_85 Posted 28 October 2014 Share Posted 28 October 2014 Not sure. He had some good games against mediocre opposition when he first came. Since then he hasn't done anything that would suggest he's any more than a mid-table Championship striker. Thats harsh considering he's barely had a sniff....... Give him some games and maybe we can see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard99 Posted 28 October 2014 Author Share Posted 28 October 2014 The fact he wasn't involved yesterday in u21 game suggests to me he will get some pitch time Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unabomber Posted 28 October 2014 Share Posted 28 October 2014 Chuck him in why not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooksy Posted 28 October 2014 Share Posted 28 October 2014 Yeah fcuk it, can't be any worse than the last 4 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenKimberlin Posted 28 October 2014 Share Posted 28 October 2014 Yeah play him. He's got a great finish on him... that goal vs Burnley ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScouseFox Posted 28 October 2014 Share Posted 28 October 2014 imo he will struggle just as much as everyone else if he doesn't touch the ball because we can't complete a pass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingcarr21 Posted 28 October 2014 Share Posted 28 October 2014 No reason why he cant be given a chance. Came on against Everton and scored so clearly can put the ball in the net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayfox Posted 28 October 2014 Share Posted 28 October 2014 imo he will struggle just as much as everyone else if he doesn't touch the ball because we can't complete a pass which is an interesting debate; as last nights moan in. suggested. we had more possession, more passes attempted and completed on saturday, than the team who won. service and good service seems to be the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScouseFox Posted 28 October 2014 Share Posted 28 October 2014 which is an interesting debate; as last nights moan in. suggested. we had more possession, more passes attempted and completed on saturday, than the team who won. service and good service seems to be the issue. someone posted (wookie, maybe?) a pass map of all the passes received by ulloa, literally the only passes he received in their half, let alone the final third, were long balls presumably from goal kicks. whether it's ulloa, wood or cristiano ronaldo they ain't gonna do much with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suffolk fox Posted 28 October 2014 Share Posted 28 October 2014 which is an interesting debate; as last nights moan in. suggested. we had more possession, more passes attempted and completed on saturday, than the team who won. service and good service seems to be the issue. Which proves stats mean naff all. Only stat that ever matters is shots on target in realtion to shots scored. Would rather have one shot on target and one goal and win one nil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayfox Posted 28 October 2014 Share Posted 28 October 2014 I saw the pass map and I know stats can be twisted. my point was we seem to think we had no possession and couldn't complete a pass. no what we couldn't do is complete key passes and provide decent service. huge difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culletonfox Posted 28 October 2014 Share Posted 28 October 2014 its the service into the strikers thats the problem, Leonardo has proved he can bury them......we need decent crosses into the box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgfualol Posted 28 October 2014 Share Posted 28 October 2014 Play him. Nigel must tell everyone not to hoof it though. Chris is about as useful as Schmeichel in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickov22 Posted 28 October 2014 Share Posted 28 October 2014 Why would anyone suggest Wood is a better option than Ulloa? What's he done in his time here to suggest he is? Ulloa has done great. It's not his fault we haven't given him any service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 28 October 2014 Share Posted 28 October 2014 Yeah fcuk it, can't be any worse than the last 4 games. Why do people keep saying this... yes it is possible for people not playing to actually be worse than those on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 28 October 2014 Share Posted 28 October 2014 Why would anyone suggest Wood is a better option than Ulloa? What's he done in his time here to suggest he is? Ulloa has done great. It's not his fault we haven't given him any service. I presume you remember Chris Woods good start here and then him fading away. It's still early with Ulloa and their records in the Champ are fairly comparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 28 October 2014 Share Posted 28 October 2014 I saw the pass map and I know stats can be twisted. my point was we seem to think we had no possession and couldn't complete a pass. no what we couldn't do is complete key passes and provide decent service. huge difference. Or pass it from our own half into the opposition half. Passing it around the back, or sideways / backwards in midfield isn't going to do much. By the time we started getting it together Swansea had the game sown up and could take their foot off the gas a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 28 October 2014 Share Posted 28 October 2014 Why do people keep saying this... yes it is possible for people not playing to actually be worse than those on the pitch. People have been saying it on here for six years on and off I just tune it out these days. The Lets play x instead of y because we lost z amount of games is the most tedious thing ever, and there is a fair bit of it going about at the minute all across the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inckley fox Posted 28 October 2014 Share Posted 28 October 2014 Why do people keep saying this... yes it is possible for people not playing to actually be worse than those on the pitch. If we'd played our best team, or something which we could convincingly argue was our best team, and given it a few games to settle OR played it and been emphatically hammered, then I would have time for calls for Wood, Lawrence, Powell to be given a chance. But if we do this now it will mean another 4 or 5 matches of tinkering with players who, like Hammond / Schlupp (in an attacking role) / Nugent / Knockaert, are obviously not part of our strongest on-paper eleven. I feel much the same about calls to bring back King. Over the course of a season or so it became clear that he was not part of our strongest eleven. This season he had a chance, had a few relatively solid outings and then rightly lost his place. If we work on the principle that we've suffered as a consequence of not playing our strongest eleven, then his coming on in a disaster of a game and not giving away the ball for twenty minutes is not enough to move aside the likes of James - who is one of our strongest eleven but has only had 150 or so minutes of game time to adapt, or Drinkwater, who has only had the same amount of time to feature alongside his preferred central midfield partner. Once we've gone with a side that we feel represents our strongest line-up, then is the time to introduce these lads off the bench and give them their chance. Otherwise we're never going to settle the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 28 October 2014 Share Posted 28 October 2014 If we'd played our best team, or something which we could convincingly argue was our best team, and given it a few games to settle OR played it and been emphatically hammered, then I would have time for calls for Wood, Lawrence, Powell to be given a chance. But if we do this now it will mean another 4 or 5 matches of tinkering with players who, like Hammond / Schlupp (in an attacking role) / Nugent / Knockaert, are obviously not part of our strongest on-paper eleven. I feel much the same about calls to bring back King. Over the course of a season or so it became clear that he was not part of our strongest eleven. This season he had a chance, had a few relatively solid outings and then rightly lost his place. If we work on the principle that we've suffered as a consequence of not playing our strongest eleven, then his coming on in a disaster of a game and not giving away the ball for twenty minutes is not enough to move aside the likes of James - who is one of our strongest eleven but has only had 150 or so minutes of game time to adapt, or Drinkwater, who has only had the same amount of time to feature alongside his preferred central midfield partner. Once we've gone with a side that we feel represents our strongest line-up, then is the time to introduce these lads off the bench and give them their chance. Otherwise we're never going to settle the side. Indeed.... it seemed fairly universally agreed that too much tinkering might have been one of the major problems. The suggested solution to that seems to be that we play Wood, Knockaert, Simpson, Lawrence, Powell and Was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan LCFC Posted 28 October 2014 Share Posted 28 October 2014 If we're still not creating chances then it's a waste of time. He'd be even less effective than Ulloa has been in the last few games. I still think he's worth a loan out. If he developed more of an all-round game he could one day be an asset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickov22 Posted 28 October 2014 Share Posted 28 October 2014 I presume you remember Chris Woods good start here and then him fading away. It's still early with Ulloa and their records in the Champ are fairly comparable. It's weird because even in Chris Wood's first few games he still had a really poor first touch at times. I was never overly impressed with him. Ulloa is a step up from Wood in my opinion. All round better player. Better in the air, better touch, and uses his strength a lot more. His lack of goals has coincided with our decline in performance level and constant tinkering with the line up. He's miles better than wood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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