sylofox Posted 14 November 2014 Share Posted 14 November 2014 Thinking earlier (yes i do it sometimes Colcityfan) is there any relationship between our league position and our squad value. So having messaged daviG he came up with this http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/startseite/wettbewerb/GB1 It would be great if someone could put the values against the league table as it stands atm. Bear in mind untill the half way point some teams will have played more top teams/expensive squads than others. Southampton being one they have only faced Liverpool and Spurs out of last seasons top 7/8 where we have faced Everton,Chelsea.Arsenal and Man U. Be interesting to re visit this at the end of the season with these values the end of season values and final positions. So whats everyones thoughts about our position in relation to squad value. To me atm it seems to say many ££££££ make points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 14 November 2014 Share Posted 14 November 2014 To me atm it seems to say many ££££££ make points. Of course they do, it's the Premier League, and it's why the only teams battling for the title are bankrolled Chelsea and Manchester City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sylofox Posted 14 November 2014 Author Share Posted 14 November 2014 Of course they do, it's the Premier League, and it's why the only teams battling for the title are bankrolled Chelsea and Manchester City. My point was more the whole table not just the top 2 or 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col city fan Posted 14 November 2014 Share Posted 14 November 2014 Welly..you're digging a hole here buddy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xen Posted 14 November 2014 Share Posted 14 November 2014 I'll see what I can come up with... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr The Singh Posted 14 November 2014 Share Posted 14 November 2014 Welly..you're digging a hole here buddy... Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col city fan Posted 14 November 2014 Share Posted 14 November 2014 Why?No reason.. me and the boy Sylo like to wind each other up.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sylofox Posted 14 November 2014 Author Share Posted 14 November 2014 Welly..you're digging a hole here buddy... What with you? love to bury ya lol Thought you knew me better like I care. But looking at that and values of other teams unless we are very lucky we need to spend another 100m to be mid table. Makes our owners 150m over 5 years to make us top 5 a bit of a pipe dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sylofox Posted 14 November 2014 Author Share Posted 14 November 2014 No reason.. me and the boy Sylo like to wind each other up.. Yeah pick on me and answer to my mate Dr The Singh lol Cheers Dr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sylofox Posted 14 November 2014 Author Share Posted 14 November 2014 I'll see what I can come up with... Cheers Xen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 15 November 2014 Share Posted 15 November 2014 Only looked at our team but basically every one of our players goes from being under priced to vastly under priced. Liam Moore £2.2m, Riyad £1.75m, Ulloa £6m?! Don't know if other teams are similarly under priced but that website is certainly not accurate in terms of squad value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr The Singh Posted 15 November 2014 Share Posted 15 November 2014 No reason.. me and the boy Sylo like to wind each other up.. You two should get a room and leave me and Mrs col out of this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 15 November 2014 Share Posted 15 November 2014 What with you? love to bury ya lol Thought you knew me better like I care. But looking at that and values of other teams unless we are very lucky we need to spend another 100m to be mid table. Makes our owners 150m over 5 years to make us top 5 a bit of a pipe dream. Survival in the mid table positions, is exactly what you say. Without spending big money, it would be impossible to consolidate that status. It is blatantly clear we are on the back foot, mainly for the reason you gave. Anyone who has/had thoughts of ourselves achieving this was, or is, living in a fantasy world. Before anyone starts the insults, I'll respond now. Brain dead, deluded, fools. -Summer signings far too weak overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sylofox Posted 15 November 2014 Author Share Posted 15 November 2014 You two should get a room and leave me and Mrs col out of this I think it is you and Mrs Col that need to get the room lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sylofox Posted 15 November 2014 Author Share Posted 15 November 2014 Only looked at our team but basically every one of our players goes from being under priced to vastly under priced. Liam Moore £2.2m, Riyad £1.75m, Ulloa £6m?! Don't know if other teams are similarly under priced but that website is certainly not accurate in terms of squad value. Yes the figures may be wrong but think they will be as wrong for us as they are palace and man u. They have not got it wrong for just us. Think the papers put our squad value that faced man u at 17.5m with ulloa. So I take it was a money spent value not a worth value. So I would take the value given is estimate/cost to the club for players like moore. Survival in the mid table positions, is exactly what you say. Without spending big money, it would be impossible to consolidate that status. It is blatantly clear we are on the back foot, mainly for the reason you gave. Anyone who has/had thoughts of ourselves achieving this was, or is, living in a fantasy world. Before anyone starts the insults, I'll respond now. Brain dead, deluded, fools. -Summer signings far too weak overall. My point was at the values given right or wrong most clubs seem to be in a place at about the squad value (right or wrong) As I pointed out sotton have played most games against clubs around the same value or less atm and less top 6 to 8 from last season. We have only faced Burnley with a lower value but have played 4 of last seasons top 7. All I am saying is are we really under performing? And if we stay up well 12th to 14th do people think we have over achieved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shailen Posted 16 November 2014 Share Posted 16 November 2014 there has to be a poor correlation at the bottom end of the table between transfer spending and final position. There's plenty of examples of teams that havent spent much and stayed up. I think the most important factors are team spirit and consistentcy when staying up. Obviously you need quality, but there's more too it then saying if we spend more money we will do well. Southampton and Swansea are too recent examples of how to do well in the league without spending, whereas QPR and Cardiff are how not to do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xen Posted 22 November 2014 Share Posted 22 November 2014 Sorry this took so long, I wanted to go into it a bit further than just putting the values in, but laptop probles and illness delayed me a bit... Anyway, the basic table, with transfermarkt's VALUATIONS of teams added. Hopefully later I'll update this with a 'cost to assemble' variation (probably of the most-used starting 11s), as that should give a better indication of transfer spending. So there does appear to be a general correlation with higher valued teams having higher points, but bear in mind that the bottom 5 teams have all been promoted in recent years and their valuations/costs to assemble are still growing into PL-territory, and there's a handful of high-value teams which are sitting in a similar spot just above mid-table. As said before, cost-to-assemble would be a better metric, but that's going to take more effort and I haven't got round to that yet. Followed by an adjusted table. The way this one works is that for each match, the number of points a team wins is mulptiplied by the average value of their opponent. The number on the right is simply the average 'adjusted points' per game. This was just a bit of an extra, and of course should be taken with a pinch of salt - particularly as many teams (such as southampton, whose opponents have had the lowest average player value so far) have yet to play some of the higher-valued teams. Again, I hope to put out a 'cost-to-assemble' variation on this once I've got the data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col city fan Posted 22 November 2014 Share Posted 22 November 2014 Sorry this took so long, I wanted to go into it a bit further than just putting the values in, but laptop probles and illness delayed me a bit... Anyway, the basic table, with transfermarkt's VALUATIONS of teams added. Hopefully later I'll update this with a 'cost to assemble' variation (probably of the most-used starting 11s), as that should give a better indication of transfer spending. So there does appear to be a general correlation with higher valued teams having higher points, but bear in mind that the bottom 5 teams have all been promoted in recent years and their valuations/costs to assemble are still growing into PL-territory, and there's a handful of high-value teams which are sitting in a similar spot just above mid-table. As said before, cost-to-assemble would be a better metric, but that's going to take more effort and I haven't got round to that yet. Followed by an adjusted table. The way this one works is that for each match, the number of points a team wins is mulptiplied by the average value of their opponent. The number on the right is simply the average 'adjusted points' per game. This was just a bit of an extra, and of course should be taken with a pinch of salt - particularly as many teams (such as southampton, whose opponents have had the lowest average player value so far) have yet to play some of the higher-valued teams. Again, I hope to put out a 'cost-to-assemble' variation on this once I've got the data. Cheers for all the work buddy! Very interesting.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 22 November 2014 Share Posted 22 November 2014 I'd say that 14-17 is our level and that's where we'll finish. The season isn't 10 games long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 25 November 2014 Share Posted 25 November 2014 http://talksport.com/football/revealed-premier-league-value-money-table-transfer-value-v-pl-position-141125126197 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted 29 November 2014 Share Posted 29 November 2014 Bottom of the league? Yeah, I think we are at our level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shade Posted 22 December 2014 Share Posted 22 December 2014 Perhaps the main reason we're struggling is that our squad value is the 19th lowest in the premier league and we're sitting in 20th position, the bottom 7 spenders in the league make up the bottom 7 teams. The three teams with the lowest squad value are in the bottom 4 places, that can't just be a coincidence? Sure, there are other possible reasons that we're struggling, but the statistics are there in black and white, money, to a large extent, talks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpe's Fox Posted 22 December 2014 Share Posted 22 December 2014 By statistics, do you mean those two tables with lines on them that you did on Paint? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shade Posted 22 December 2014 Share Posted 22 December 2014 By statistics, do you mean those two tables with lines on them that you did on Paint? funnily enough I used macromedia fireworks, I was half watching grudge match, de Niro and Stallone, so couldn't be bothered rounding the lines off or using colours for each team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v6rat Posted 22 December 2014 Share Posted 22 December 2014 Good job Steve Bruce hasn't got the keys to our safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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