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Rob1742

What do we do now?

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This league is so difficult and unforgiving. I honestly thought we were good enough to finish about 6th from bottom, as we were much better than at least five teams.

But these teams at the bottom are good teams. Matty James said today after the game that last season you would look at a team and they had five decent players in there. In this division they are all good.

Then with 15 minutes to go, you wonder whether you will get a chance. In the Championship you knew you would get half a dozen in that time.

The difficulty was always going to be adapting to play teams with five in midfield, we tried to match that up, and I for one thought we shouldn't di that, we should play with width. But you look at yesterday, and we still didn't win, and just before half time I could understand why he has been trying to match teams, as it looked like we were losing out in the middle.

The real positive is, we still have a young team who are together. We are not the whipping boys by any means, and one win can make a massive difference.

So it's much harder than I thought, and I was critical at Pearson trying to match up to teams formations, but I can now understand why he did it, and believe it was right. I have learned something.

I am not sure we can buy success, I think we maybe able to add a pkayer, but not sure where as I am not sure where one player would make a big difference.

I am genuinly stuck what I would do. I would actually just carry on with what we have got, see if we can grind it out with this solid group, and hope the togetherness brings us through.

I wouldn't mix the squad up, which could damage the group, I would just keep it together and hope we learn as we go along.

I started to question Pearsons tactics, but I now understand it, let's stay as we are, learn and hopefully grow. Some big games might help us, like early in the season, it might be grinding out the odd result against all the odds that see us through.

Two real positives are that we certainly are still together and not giving up, and neither are the crowd. That is helping, and you have got to give Pearson massive credit for getting a solid group together last season, which might just see us over the line this season.

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Trying to match up to teams, who in your and nigels opinion was right got us how many points, created how many chances? Yesterday while not brilliant was a massive improvement as at least we created some chances and tried to win the game, something we haven't done since palace and may ultimately cost us at the end of the season. If we keep playing 442 we give ourselves a chance. We just need some chances to fall to the right players, better decision making and more quality on crosses and set pieces, but how anyone can see any positives in the pathetic diamond we tried which to me is accepting defeat boggles my mind.

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Fuuuuuck. Hangover from hell

January signings key (replace Dyer (A mistake of gargantuan proportion) and a better finisher), but if we're in bottom 3 it will be difficult to attract our first choices.

Until then we have to make sure we play at 100% for as long as possible in matches, make sure we go the extra mile for each other. Defend as if our lives depend on it & then, if we can get a bit of confidence from the performance level & maybe, just maybe the crowd too open up a bit more to create chances.

The learning curve is impossibly steep, and the income inequality over the extended period of time since we were last there means it's a very different proposition since the mid-to-late nineties.

It'd help if a sizeable portion of the fans weren't such expectant over-entitled cvnts too

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Trying to match up to teams, who in your and nigels opinion was right got us how many points, created how many chances? Yesterday while not brilliant was a massive improvement as at least we created some chances and tried to win the game, something we haven't done since palace and may ultimately cost us at the end of the season. If we keep playing 442 we give ourselves a chance. We just need some chances to fall to the right players, better decision making and more quality on crosses and set pieces, but how anyone can see any positives in the pathetic diamond we tried which to me is accepting defeat boggles my mind.

I think we were better yesterday, but we got zero goals, so what I am saying is however we set up it is difficult. So I can understand why he is trying to find a solution by trying different things.

It's alright being critical, but harder to offer a solution.

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...but how anyone can see any positives in the pathetic diamond we tried which to me is accepting defeat boggles my mind.

Because before we did it we looked like conceding at least 10 every single game, playing it has added a little bit of steel which looking at yesterday has translated back to the 442 & while we were pretty far from looking like absolute winners, we did look much tougher to beat than the likes of Everton, Arsenal & even Man Utd where a freak collapse saw us through... Yesterday's point & clean sheet is a platform to build on

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Fuuuuuck. Hangover from hell

January signings key (replace Dyer (A mistake of gargantuan proportion) and a better finisher), but if we're in bottom 3 it will be difficult to attract our first choices.

Until then we have to make sure we play at 100% for as long as possible in matches, make sure we go the extra mile for each other. Defend as if our lives depend on it & then, if we can get a bit of confidence from the performance level & maybe, just maybe the crowd too open up a bit more to create chances.

The learning curve is impossibly steep, and the income inequality over the extended period of time since we were last there means it's a very different proposition since the mid-to-late nineties.

It'd help if a sizeable portion of the fans weren't such expectant over-entitled cvnts too

Agree

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I think I saw somewhere that 70% or more i cant remember exactly of Ulloa's (who is also definitely premier league quality) goals for Brighton came from crosses. So i cant understand why its ulloa out wide sometimes crossing the ball in. It drives me fvcking mad. We have a great crosser of the ball in albrighton and he's not even on the bench, its not rocket science. Were just far to predictable at the moment, also were not doing the simple things right and in this league you cant afford to do that 5 games in a row or so.

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I think all this 'Pearson is learning' stuff is a little patronising?

Pearson went for the diamond to try it. That's all. He saw we were getting over-run in the middle so tried something else. That's what management is about surely. Yesterday, we reverted back to the flat 4-4-2, did better, but still didn't score.

From what I'm seeing, we simply don't have the players to do particularly well at this level. Whatever formation we put out, I think we'll probably now flirt with relegation for the whole season and, hopefully, just stay up (17th).

I don't blame Pearson for trying out new formations. And I'm convinced he won't just stick with the 4-4-2 all season? Where I do think he and the board have gone wrong is in the summer. We didn't sign enough real quality additions to really kick is on. Maybe his hands were tied by the Director of football? Maybe the Thais didn't want to spend? I dunno? But I think that's gonna be the issue personally. To simply blame the bloke for seeing a problem and trying to rectify it won't help. The flat 4-4-2 may well not be strong enough either, especially away from home. It's gonna be tough, but I thought it would be.

We DO need to do something at QPR. They aren't a good team. It's the proverbial 6 pointer already Imo

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Much improved performance yesterday. That will give all the players and staff a much needed lift.

Yet we still wen't good enough in possession which we need to address in January.

Albrighton and Knockaert have been trying to get themselves up to Match speed by playing regularly with the 21s.

When ready I'd like to see Albrighton get a few Weeks in the team like everyone else has.

He certainly could help Ulloa with decent crosses, And with Mahrez on the other wing we should start scoring again.

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We need someone big and 'ugly' in midfield. apart from our centre halves, we look lightweight. it's a much more physical league than I thought, having only watched it on TV. James and cambiasso as a two will be ok against teams like sland (though we ceded possession playing like that) but were happy to get behind the ball, knowing they wouldn't over commit to try and get something. Against the better sides we HAVE to play 1 behind the front man to get in and about their midfield and deny comfortable control of the ball. The 2 wide men should allow us to break quickly. I wondered early on if DD could play behind ulloa but until we try it, we'll never know. So far this season, nugent has been the only one to effectively manage the role. if we do play one up top, it has to be ulloa. No one else is capable of holding the ball at this level. (And ulloa isnt great at it)

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I think all this 'Pearson is learning' stuff is a little patronising?

You're are right I am patronising him - coz he is stubborn - but I am pleased he has moved on from 4x CMs. And you're right that we will need different shapes this term. For whatever reason we have the squad we have - and Pearson will have to use his nouse to make it work against different sides... but I still believe this struggle is better than changing manager at this point.
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Because before we did it we looked like conceding at least 10 every single game, playing it has added a little bit of steel which looking at yesterday has translated back to the 442 & while we were pretty far from looking like absolute winners, we did look much tougher to beat than the likes of Everton, Arsenal & even Man Utd where a freak collapse saw us through... Yesterday's point & clean sheet is a platform to build on

We will look like conceding most games as we are playing against top class strikers and ALL teams in this league find it hard to keep clean sheets, but come on, ive not seen us look like conceding 10. The reason we looked poor and got over ran in some games like Stoke was playing Hammond who wasn't good enough for the Championship and King as he is pretty lightweight and goes missing, when we changed to Drinky and Cambiassio it improved hugely. I dont buy this over ran nonsense with two centre midfielders, if we play our better players. James, Drinky and Cambiassio are capable of battling away, while allowing us the width, which lets be honest, is our only real option at creating anything. 442 has served us well, you can only play formations that suit your players. Yesterday was a big improvement, at least it gives us a chance of winning games, we just need some chances to fall to the right players, but at least for the first time since Palace we created a handful of chances. If everyone is happy to pack the midfield with players that offer nothing going forward while waiting to see how long it takes the opposition to score and ruin our master game plan then crack on, but I want to see my team trying to win some games. 

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I have accepted we are not good enough and more than likely be relegated, it's so much better watching with no expectations, and what a great feeling it would be if we managed to stay up.

We're not even halfway through the season...  The senseless negativity on here sometimes... :facepalm:

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We're not even halfway through the season... The senseless negativity on here sometimes... :facepalm:

Clearly not getting what I'm saying, I'm expecting to get relegated, same as all the other promoted clubs.

But watching with no expectations is far better than be pissed off week in week out, I will enjoy the ride, enjoy going to the top grounds, old Trafford etc, and if we manage to stay up, great.

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I think the players and the formation from yesterday did ok and Pearson should stick with that side for a few games , instead of tinkering and looking for the magic formation. Maybe give albrighton a go instead of schlup. The team will never come good if he keeps changing the starting line up for no appaharant reason.

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LB/LW are positions we should be able to improve on easily. If Nige doesn't rate Albrighton above Schlupp at LW then he might as well admit that was a poor signing and get rid. That would free up a space in the squad for a new first team LW, preferably a signing that shows a bit of financial muscle and ambition, ie not another one of these squad players.

Likewise LB, if there's money to spend it's not going to be too difficult to improve on Konchesky.

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as we were much better than at least five teams.

 

I keep reading this but are we?

 

I've seen nothing to suggest it so far.

 

As good as maybe (And that's a maybe, not a statement that we are) but much better? I'm not sure.

 

Think it's abit bigheaded and treating opposition with disrespect imo, perhaps a reason why we have seen us struggling in recent weeks.

 

It's becoming a cliche.

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