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LCFCtotheprem

Manager next season

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smudger63

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Certainly not Pearson, his time at the club has been a good one on the whole, but his time is done now, and it`s time for a fresh start with someone new, who hopefully can not only get us promoted but then take us to the next level, something that sadly Pearson has shown no signs of being able to do.

As for who, well i expect we will be keeping Pearson until the end of the season now anyway, so we will have a better idea of who is available then.

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inckley fox

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I'm not sure why people are letting their hearts rule their heads so much on this one. What I want to happen is for Pearson to stay and, if he doesn't keep us up, get us promoted in one season instead of three, and in doing so form a side more capable of PL survival than he did last time, then have learnt valuable lessons from this season and make clear from the off that he is up to scratch at this level.

 

All Leicester fans should hope, in all realism and sobriety, for us to be in the PL again as soon as possible and stay there. If the current generation of City fans has been shorn of ambition that they don't wish for this, or believe it's realistic, then the club really would be much better off without them. In my heart, I want that to be with Pearson, but if I'm rational I can see that there's very little reason to believe he can deliver it.

 

And it's the case however you look at it. If we look at his past record in the second tier, then there's one promotion in five, all with well-funded teams, and in one case a recently relegated team. If we look at his record in the PL there's absolutely nothing to offer encouragement there because he's on track to become one of a small group of the least successful managers ever at this level. If we look at what's happened in the past to managers who have suffered relegation, or clubs who've kept their managers upon going down, then that offers little hope either.

 

There is, for a club with our objectives, no reason to believe Pearson will be our man in the long term.

 

Now in the short term, we can stick with him and hope that he delivers in the second tier. But it's wrong to say he'll have the same squad, he'll most probably be without any of the wingers (Dyer, Knockaert, Mahrez) from that side, one of its CBs - if he stays - will be 35 instead of 33, and a whole host of players will lack the self-belief they had before, that belief that once they make the PL they'll prove themselves, and that they'll have a manager with 'something of an aura about him' who can lead them capably at that level. Moore, Drinkwater, Schmeichel, De Laet - some of these players' confidence will be irreparably knocked, Partnerships which formed over years (Moore-Morgan, Drinkwater-James) will have become weaker. And there's the small matter of more than a dozen new faces at the club, some of which will leave, some of which will want to leave, some of which we'll need to leave for financial reasons.

 

So there will be a good degree of restructuring, and this time we'll have to hope that the side we forge in the second tier will find the step up less bewildering than the last side we took up.

 

It's curious to see Pearson's most determined supporters still talking about a lack of alternatives, when several of the alternatives proposed by people earlier in the season - Pulis, Sherwood for instance - appear to have improved the form of the clubs they took over. In the Championship, the past tells us that the vast majority of success is delivered by managers who have never previously delivered; that the likes of Holloway, Adkins, McDermott, Kean, Adams, Dowie rarely bounce back and get it right second time around. Clubs which go forward tend to be clubs which look not to the past, but the future.

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I'm not sure why people are letting their hearts rule their heads so much on this one. What I want to happen is for Pearson to stay and, if he doesn't keep us up, get us promoted in one season instead of three, and in doing so form a side more capable of PL survival than he did last time, then have learnt valuable lessons from this season and make clear from the off that he is up to scratch at this level.

All Leicester fans should hope, in all realism and sobriety, for us to be in the PL again as soon as possible and stay there. If the current generation of City fans has been shorn of ambition that they don't wish for this, or believe it's realistic, then the club really would be much better off without them. In my heart, I want that to be with Pearson, but if I'm rational I can see that there's very little reason to believe he can deliver it.

And it's the case however you look at it. If we look at his past record in the second tier, then there's one promotion in five, all with well-funded teams, and in one case a recently relegated team. If we look at his record in the PL there's absolutely nothing to offer encouragement there because he's on track to become one of a small group of the least successful managers ever at this level. If we look at what's happened in the past to managers who have suffered relegation, or clubs who've kept their managers upon going down, then that offers little hope either.

There is, for a club with our objectives, no reason to believe Pearson will be our man in the long term.

Now in the short term, we can stick with him and hope that he delivers in the second tier. But it's wrong to say he'll have the same squad, he'll most probably be without any of the wingers (Dyer, Knockaert, Mahrez) from that side, one of its CBs - if he stays - will be 35 instead of 33, and a whole host of players will lack the self-belief they had before, that belief that once they make the PL they'll prove themselves, and that they'll have a manager with 'something of an aura about him' who can lead them capably at that level. Moore, Drinkwater, Schmeichel, De Laet - some of these players' confidence will be irreparably knocked, Partnerships which formed over years (Moore-Morgan, Drinkwater-James) will have become weaker. And there's the small matter of more than a dozen new faces at the club, some of which will leave, some of which will want to leave, some of which we'll need to leave for financial reasons.

So there will be a good degree of restructuring, and this time we'll have to hope that the side we forge in the second tier will find the step up less bewildering than the last side we took up.

It's curious to see Pearson's most determined supporters still talking about a lack of alternatives, when several of the alternatives proposed by people earlier in the season - Pulis, Sherwood for instance - appear to have improved the form of the clubs they took over. In the Championship, the past tells us that the vast majority of success is delivered by managers who have never previously delivered; that the likes of Holloway, Adkins, McDermott, Kean, Adams, Dowie rarely bounce back and get it right second time around. Clubs which go forward tend to be clubs which look not to the past, but the future.

Very intelligent post!

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inckley fox

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Very intelligent post!

 

I suppose, put simply, I'm trying to say that you rarely have the chance to appoint a manager who you know to be good enough to win promotion / stay up. Success tends to come from somebody being a 'good fit' for a club. But it's a lot easier to identify someone who isn't going to be good enough - they're the ones who have their chance and fail - and when clubs go ahead and appoint them anyway they almost invariably end up regretting it. So if we're going to be hopeful, we should direct our energies towards hoping that our side can establish itself in the PL someday, rather than towards hoping that Pearson will somehow buck all trends and prove himself to be a top quality manager.

 

And those fans who would like the club to realign its expectations to those they believe Pearson to be capable of achieving (i.e. being 'alright' in the second tier, and being damn grateful for it) must be the least ambitious mob of Leicester fans in the club's entire history. That's not the case with the bulk of those who back the manager, I know, but at the core there's an obsessive pro-Pearson element who were quite happy to believe he could lead us to a mid-table finish and now, proven wrong, can't bear to acknowledge it, and prefer to lash out at everyone else, accusing them of being unrealistic, ungrateful b***ards. And now we're beginning to see how far those people are willing to go in order to avoid having to hold their hands up and say - 'oh, alright, turns out he really wasn't up to the job after all'.

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All things considered, I can't imagine Leicester City being managed by anyone else.

 

In my 30 years of backing the club we've had 17 or 18 of them, most of which have been worse than Pearson, some of which have been better, one of which has been a great deal better. I don't need to imagine anything!

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Pearson.

I know that it's been an incredibly frustrating season but we are not far off being a very good prem side. Spurs before yesterday had only conceded 2 goals less than us, the difference is they have Kane and Eriksen, 2 players that can turn a 4-3 loss to a 4-3 win. Nobody has given us a hammering we just lack a couple of top quality players to turn close losses and draws to wins.

Oh and a lloris wouldn't hurt either....

The summer transfer window was where it all went wrong. I think Kramaric will be top class but he was a panic buy, signing a foreign striker in Jan with no prem experience is a huge gamble as 9 times out of 10 it takes time to settle and adjust. I remember seeing Dennis Bergkamp when he first went to arsenal and he was awful, hit the corner flag with one shot. The same Dennis Bergkamp who was the best player I ever saw at filbert street against us a couple of seasons after, world class. Even Ronaldo was a 1 trick pony with no final product in his first season the next season unstoppable.

long story short whoever was in charge of summer transfers has to take a lot of the blame and it looks like it was Terry Robinson,not NP.

Regardless of whatever happens this season, we have moved forward since NP took over including the academy and there is nobody better that would realistically come to us anyway. If we go down and he doesn't get us promoted first season then fair enough get rid but the best chance we have of coming back up is with him.

Then give him until Xmas in the prem if he does get us up. If we are bottom get rid then when a half decent manager might consider the job.

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