bovril Posted 24 March 2015 Share Posted 24 March 2015 on a technical / ability level, probably. in terms of character, grit, drive and most of all effectiveness = not even close. I can tell from that post you weren't around during the oneill years. On ability this team is miles behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Lisemore Posted 24 March 2015 Share Posted 24 March 2015 I personally think this team is miles better than the team under MON, so the great escape won't be as special as winning the league cup twice and finishing mid table the premier league. Having said that, the situation we find ourselves it would be the most unlikely turnaround in our history, but by no means our greatest achievement This simply has to go down as one of Foxestalk's most deluded posts of all time. (I know there's plenty of competition) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hankey Posted 24 March 2015 Share Posted 24 March 2015 Another unrealistic thread. Yes, sure but look at the REAL situation and do the maths. Why after all this time and only 4 wins all season do folk seem do think we can get ourselves out of the mire. Believe me; it ain't goin' to happen!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sylofox Posted 24 March 2015 Share Posted 24 March 2015 April fools day is not till next wednesday. I had to plus1 it one of the funniest comments ever on FT I personally think this team is miles better than the team under MON, so the great escape won't be as special as winning the league cup twice and finishing mid table the premier league. Having said that, the situation we find ourselves it would be the most unlikely turnaround in our history, but by no means our greatest achievement With relegation looming, if we somehow manage to beat the drop would it feel better than winning promotion? I know last season we all knew for a long time we were going up but say if we didnt look like we were going anywhere then in the last 9 games we put together a run that saw us get promoted, that would be loads better. so if we escape now it will be orgasmic, probably feel like we've been promoted anyway. I just feel weve been such a bad joke this season (hardly terrible but terribly crap) it would be insane if we ended up surviving and defying all the "experts" and generally annoying everyone that we are still gonna be there next season. It will also be insane how much money we need to spend in the summer if we did stay up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooseBreath Posted 24 March 2015 Share Posted 24 March 2015 Staying up by the skin of our teeth courtesy of an extremely low survival points requirement our greatest ever achievement? Of course not, we've finished top half before, won trophies, played in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arriba Los Zorros Posted 24 March 2015 Share Posted 24 March 2015 I can tell from that post you weren't around during the oneill years. On ability this team is miles behind. Football in general and especially the Premier League is at a much higher level than it was in the late 90s, I am 26 and went to games then with my dad. The team now is technically more able, no doubt about it, we play nicer football as well. My point is that we had a lot more character and ruthlessness (and winning mentality) in MONs teams which is what won matches which makes his teams superior to Pearson's now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan LCFC Posted 24 March 2015 Share Posted 24 March 2015 Achievement? Not for me considering it was ourselves who got us into this position. If a new manager came in tomorrow and kept us up then it would be up there with some of the best management we've had. If we did stay up it would be right up there with the best late survivals in this league. Being bottom of the table from November to April and staying up would be miraculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooseBreath Posted 24 March 2015 Share Posted 24 March 2015 Football in general and especially the Premier League is at a much higher level than it was in the late 90s, I am 26 and went to games then with my dad. The team now is technically more able, no doubt about it, we play nicer football as well. My point is that we had a lot more character and ruthlessness (and winning mentality) in MONs teams which is what won matches which makes his teams superior to Pearson's now Nonsense. Your Izzet's, Lennon's and Heskey's had more technique in one toe than all of our current squad bar Cambiasso. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerard Posted 24 March 2015 Share Posted 24 March 2015 Flowers Guppy ???????????? Walsh Taggart Elliott Lennon Izzet ????????????? Heskey ???????????? There's not one player in today's squad that would be a shoe in for the MON team. For me the eight players I've named would be a shoo in, the other three places would be debatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suffolk fox Posted 24 March 2015 Share Posted 24 March 2015 Flowers Guppy ???????????? Walsh Taggart Elliott Lennon Izzet ????????????? Heskey ???????????? There's not one player in today's squad that would be a shoe in for the MON team. For me the eight players I've named would be a shoo in, the other three places would be debatable. You have missed out Pontus Kaamark the way that man marked Juninho out of the game In the league cup final against Middlesborough was absolutely fantastic. Does make me laugh when persons say you can't compare the premier league of today with how it was in the late 90's money etc. Doh! It was still the premier league reputably the best in the world? Would also include Cottee in your eleven remember he was in the twilight of his career when he signed for us but his finishing was superb give him one chance he would score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackneyfox Posted 24 March 2015 Share Posted 24 March 2015 Football in general and especially the Premier League is at a much higher level than it was in the late 90s, I am 26 and went to games then with my dad. The team now is technically more able, no doubt about it, we play nicer football as well. My point is that we had a lot more character and ruthlessness (and winning mentality) in MONs teams which is what won matches which makes his teams superior to Pearson's now The premier may be of a higher technical level than it was then but you're deluded to think this team is better than MON's. With the exception of Cambiasso I'm not sure who else can be claimed to have high technical ability, most of them are incapable of stringing 2 passes together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCCFox96 Posted 24 March 2015 Share Posted 24 March 2015 It would be on hell of an achievement on the basis that it is now just barely achievable. Had we picked up 3-4 point against Hull and Spurs it would have been plausible. Alas we got 1 and now survival seems but a delusion of grandeur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss_tony Posted 24 March 2015 Share Posted 24 March 2015 I personally think this team is miles better than the team under MON, so the great escape won't be as special as winning the league cup twice and finishing mid table the premier league. Having said that, the situation we find ourselves it would be the most unlikely turnaround in our history, but by no means our greatest achievement I'm at a loss for words here. really? You actually think that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackneyfox Posted 24 March 2015 Share Posted 24 March 2015 I'd assumed that his tongue was firmly wedged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shailen Posted 24 March 2015 Share Posted 24 March 2015 I personally think this team is miles better than the team under MON, so the great escape won't be as special as winning the league cup twice and finishing mid table the premier league. Having said that, the situation we find ourselves it would be the most unlikely turnaround in our history, but by no means our greatest achievement I missed the word technically out. I think this team is better technically. What we had under MON was a team full of grit and determination mixed with good quality. This side has more flair and creativity, however we are so naive and our game management at times has been our undoing. That's the difference for me and thanks everyone for pointing that out haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 24 March 2015 Share Posted 24 March 2015 I missed the word technically out. I think this team is better technically. What we had under MON was a team full of grit and determination mixed with good quality. This side has more flair and creativity, however we are so naive and our game management at times has been our undoing. That's the difference for me and thanks everyone for pointing that out haha Part of me thinks you're trolling and I shouldn't bite, but.... Kasey Keller and Tim Flowers were international standard keepers. Flowers in particular was superb, his amazing shot-stopping was the reason we went top under Taylor. Our defence was infinitely better than now, you cannot be 'technically' good and be so defensively frail. Garry Parker was one of the best strikers of a dead ball I have ever seen in England. Izzet and Lennon were obviously two of our greatest ever central midfielders. Lennon read the game so well, his sale was the beginning of our downfall. Steve Guppy could cross a ball better than anyone we have had since. He made the England squad. Emile Heskey, despite the critics, has won trophies and played in World Cups. Tony Cottee was one of the best finishers of his generation. The reason we fell from grace was not so much Peter Taylor's appalling management but because he replaced superb players with mediocre ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col city fan Posted 24 March 2015 Share Posted 24 March 2015 Part of me thinks you're trolling and I shouldn't bite, but.... Kasey Keller and Tim Flowers were international standard keepers. Flowers in particular was superb, his amazing shot-stopping was the reason we went top under Taylor. Our defence was infinitely better than now, you cannot be 'technically' good and be so defensively frail. Garry Parker was one of the best strikers of a dead ball I have ever seen in England. Izzet and Lennon were obviously two of our greatest ever central midfielders. Lennon read the game so well, his sale was the beginning of our downfall. Steve Guppy could cross a ball better than anyone we have had since. He made the England squad. Emile Heskey, despite the critics, has won trophies and played in World Cups. Tony Cottee was one of the best finishers of his generation. The reason we fell from grace was not so much Peter Taylor's appalling management but because he replaced superb players with mediocre ones. Spot on. Add to that players like Kaamark who, and I don't exaggerate, was one of the best full backs I've ever seen (as in watched, live). He was incredibly composed, literally hardly ever missed a tackle and a superb passer of the ball. Our full backs now, for example, are miles off his talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arriba Los Zorros Posted 24 March 2015 Share Posted 24 March 2015 Spot on. Add to that players like Kaamark who, and I don't exaggerate, was one of the best full backs I've ever seen (as in watched, live). He was incredibly composed, literally hardly ever missed a tackle and a superb passer of the ball. Our full backs now, for example, are miles off his talent. tru dat, Kaamark was excellent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weller54 Posted 24 March 2015 Author Share Posted 24 March 2015 Kaamark....wow.. Now with have more of a Primark in Simpson and Konchesky!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayfox Posted 24 March 2015 Share Posted 24 March 2015 Football in general and especially the Premier League is at a much higher level than it was in the late 90s, I am 26 and went to games then with my dad. The team now is technically more able, no doubt about it, we play nicer football as well. My point is that we had a lot more character and ruthlessness (and winning mentality) in MONs teams which is what won matches which makes his teams superior to Pearson's now Apart from everyone who has recently retired from the game is arguing that this is the worst premier league since it's inception. But I guess us folks who post on forums know best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 25 March 2015 Share Posted 25 March 2015 I missed the word technically out. I think this team is better technically. What we had under MON was a team full of grit and determination mixed with good quality. This side has more flair and creativity, however we are so naive and our game management at times has been our undoing. That's the difference for me and thanks everyone for pointing that out hahaWowThis is technically a shit explanation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Kop Corner Posted 25 March 2015 Share Posted 25 March 2015 Yes, nearly all the games look winnable. Unfortunately we hardly got a point in the corresponding fixtures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teblin Posted 25 March 2015 Share Posted 25 March 2015 Spot on. Add to that players like Kaamark who, and I don't exaggerate, was one of the best full backs I've ever seen (as in watched, live). He was incredibly composed, literally hardly ever missed a tackle and a superb passer of the ball. Our full backs now, for example, are miles off his talent. Pontus is one of my fave city players of all time. Shame he got his injury. Full backs have been a massive issue this season. To be fair to konch he has been the best of them and that's saying something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teblin Posted 25 March 2015 Share Posted 25 March 2015 From the position we are in now it would be a massive achievement. Though we should've given ourselves a better chance than we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4DD0gg Posted 25 March 2015 Share Posted 25 March 2015 I missed the word technically out. I think this team is better technically. What we had under MON was a team full of grit and determination mixed with good quality. This side has more flair and creativity, however we are so naive and our game management at times has been our undoing. That's the difference for me and thanks everyone for pointing that out haha Technically better?! You are crazy. Our side had flair last season as the opposition was dog shite so it was easier to appear better, i have seen feck all flair this season, the recent hull game was genuinely like watching paint dry an the majority of the squad have been well and truly found out this season. I think you should watch this and have a think about who is better technically or other wise. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IpUzmCM51Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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