Danno Posted 17 May 2015 Share Posted 17 May 2015 Ahahah he's learnt in the military what the rest of us learn because we don't have maids and don't live in a palace for free. Leeching scumbag. Something has to be done before these jumped up youths take over this country and before we know it the streets are ladened with gangs, crime rates rise, drug offences rise, and the general level of respect decreases. Oh wait, already has. GET NS BACK. LOL LOL!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavrentis Posted 17 May 2015 Share Posted 17 May 2015 If it's really necessary and proven to be beneficial I don't see why they can't run a similar/watered down/peaceful version in the final year at School (O'level year whatever that is these days). Been GCSE's for years now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooseBreath Posted 17 May 2015 Share Posted 17 May 2015 When was the last time Switzerland or Finland got involved in a war? Not remotely comparable when there's no frontline action for those people to be put into. Also, Britain did have a problem with them when national service was in action, not least since it was in action for the two world wars - fairly certain quite a body count was racked up in there. Which they could learn while training for a career or working, as it is they'll have however long as a break from something they'd actually be benefiting from in the long term. Unlikely it would involve going on the front line. Obviously people will benefit from learning communication, discipline and team work in the long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark_w Posted 17 May 2015 Share Posted 17 May 2015 Unlikely it would involve going on the front line. Obviously people will benefit from learning communication, discipline and team work in the long term. Isn't that what schools are supposed to do? This really is just a terrible idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerrrFox Posted 17 May 2015 Share Posted 17 May 2015 Even when Harry was in the military he had bodyguards who were stationed just to make sure the ginger bastard didn't die. Both he and his brother had a bogus career to make it seem to "ordinary" people that they actually have done something with their lives. Bollocks to him for saying bring back National Service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 17 May 2015 Share Posted 17 May 2015 Harry served in Afghanistan, bodyguards can't protect you from a bomb. Maybe he didn't have it as hard as some but belittling his service by those of us who have never served seems a bit churlish to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADK Posted 17 May 2015 Share Posted 17 May 2015 If it's really necessary and proven to be beneficial I don't see why they can't run a similar/watered down/peaceful version in the final year at School (O'level year whatever that is these days). Good idea. They could call it something like "cadets". Should be mandatory if anyone under 30 spends more than a year on job seekers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooseBreath Posted 17 May 2015 Share Posted 17 May 2015 Isn't that what schools are supposed to do? This really is just a terrible idea. Yes but you don't get much experiential learning in school. For some kids just getting them out of their immediate environment and making them overcome tough challenges with others could be quite a powerful experience. Like I said though I think most kids don't need it. Maybe you could run it as some kind of rehab programme for young offenders or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerrrFox Posted 17 May 2015 Share Posted 17 May 2015 Harry served in Afghanistan, bodyguards can't protect you from a bomb. Maybe he didn't have it as hard as some but belittling his service by those of us who have never served seems a bit churlish to me. Why? He did 20 weeks in 2012, in which most of it he sat in Camp Bastion after the war had finished and plans were being made to withdraw. He made few flights as a co-pilot/gunner but this was after the fighting had stopped. He was stopped from actually going to Afghanistan in 2007 when the fighting was still heavy for his own safety. It's easy for him to say who should do what when his own "Military Career' was heavily sheltered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DennisNedry Posted 17 May 2015 Share Posted 17 May 2015 I actually have a Finnish acquaintance (met over PSN about 6 years ago) and he's told me about the national service he recently had to do.. essentially he hated every minute of it. He's a bit of a techy guy who'd never been away from home alone, so being put through the physicality of it and being treated like shit by the blokes running it was unlike anything he'd been through. If anything it sounds like the only affect it has had on him is resentment towards the army and government. I think there may be a place for it for certain youngsters... maybe as an alternative to juvenile detention etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rincewind Posted 17 May 2015 Share Posted 17 May 2015 Do the army etc. want delinquents, chavs and those who obviously would not fit in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 17 May 2015 Share Posted 17 May 2015 Do the army etc. want delinquents, chavs and those who obviously would not fit in? You're describing 50% of their recruits there Ken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rincewind Posted 17 May 2015 Share Posted 17 May 2015 You're describing 50% of their recruits there Ken. Not sure but isn't the qualification criteria pretty high or is that just for specialised jobs like in the RAF. I suppose for cannon fodder they would not care too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 17 May 2015 Share Posted 17 May 2015 Not sure but isn't the qualification criteria pretty high or is that just for specialised jobs like in the RAF. I suppose for cannon fodder they would not care too much. They're all volunteers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rincewind Posted 17 May 2015 Share Posted 17 May 2015 They're all volunteers. Yes they are now but there is still a certain criteria they need to pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Horse's Mouth Posted 17 May 2015 Share Posted 17 May 2015 Nah you're alright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 17 May 2015 Share Posted 17 May 2015 They're all volunteers. Yes they are now but there is still a certain criteria they need to pass. I suppose for cannon fodder they would not care too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stadt Posted 17 May 2015 Share Posted 17 May 2015 Most people my age wouldn't be 'more respectful' as a result, they'd just be resentful that they're forced into it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 17 May 2015 Share Posted 17 May 2015 Most people my age wouldn't be 'more respectful' as a result, they'd just be resentful that they're forced into it I'd guess a lot were at the time too. I'm glad I didn't have to do it anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rincewind Posted 17 May 2015 Share Posted 17 May 2015 I was referring to conscription and how they would be unable to take some. While they are volunteers it is easier and less costly to take the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoneDog Posted 17 May 2015 Share Posted 17 May 2015 In a way I think it'd be good. It would give many people who need one in early life a kick up the arse and maybe help them grow up sooner. If I'd have done it as a youth I think it'd have saved me from years of being a twat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavrentis Posted 17 May 2015 Share Posted 17 May 2015 In a way I think it'd be good. It would give many people who need one in early life a kick up the arse and maybe help them grow up sooner. If I'd have done it as a youth I think it'd have saved me from years of being a twat. Boney what do you think of the Moon Landings, been looking into it defo fake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Fynwy Posted 17 May 2015 Share Posted 17 May 2015 Boney what do you think of the Moon Landings, been looking into it defo fake Obviously fake, the moon doesn't even exist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain... Posted 17 May 2015 Share Posted 17 May 2015 I don't think military service would be the right way to go I would prefer a 'community service' where young 'uns do 6 months to a year performing a service, this could be military or as part of one of the emergency services something that requires discipline, hard work and teaching life skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alf Bentley Posted 18 May 2015 Share Posted 18 May 2015 I don't think military service would be the right way to go I would prefer a 'community service' where young 'uns do 6 months to a year performing a service, this could be military or as part of one of the emergency services something that requires discipline, hard work and teaching life skills. I'd go with this. No need for it to be military-based, except for those who particularly wanted to do military service and were suited to military training. During my misspent youth, hitch-hiking around the country for kicks, one of the main categories of people who'd give lifts was older people who had done national service. It obviously promoted a wider sense of community. I reckon a stint of community-based national service could give people some important life skills - and a sense of belonging to a wider community. The scheme could even be called "The Big Society" (whatever happened to that? ) Qualities like self-discipline, teamwork and awareness of others could be promoted. In a country that is ever more divided by region, class, race, age, religion etc, it could also bring people into contact with those whom they'd normally never meet - promoting mutual understanding. Examples of activities might be regular visits to isolated older people, projects to clean up urban and rural environments, practical support for struggling single parents, running youth clubs/sports teams. Of course, it would have to be properly managed so that dangerous people weren't put on the wrong projects and to avoid bullying etc. Likewise, there would need to be an option to avoid or postpone your national community service if, for example, you had children very young, were caring for sick family members etc. How it would be funded would be another matter.... Why limit it to young people, though? Once my family commitments are sorted, I'd love to be sent off on national community service. Just imagine, Moosebreath could spend 6 months cleaning up litter/graffiti in Highfields.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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