davieG Posted 22 March 2017 Share Posted 22 March 2017 The head of European football wants to change the transfer system to stop big clubs "hoarding" the best players. Aleksander Ceferin, president of European football's governing body Uefa, says a "luxury tax" on rich clubs and squad limits could also help to stop elite clubs dominating the game. He said the "excessive concentration of talent with a few teams" had to change. "Uefa has a duty to protect the whole of football and not just the elite," Ceferin told a conference in Lisbon. The Slovenian lawyer, who was elected to the role last September, told a conference in Lisbon that Uefa needed to address a "decrease in competitive balance" within European club football. "We need to assess whether the transfer market is the best we can do," he said. "We cannot be afraid to touch it. We do have to examine new mechanisms like luxury taxes and in particular sporting criteria like squad limitations and fair transfer rules, to avoid player hoarding." He did not give any further details on what he meant by luxury taxes or fair transfer rules, but added that Uefa could work with global governing body Fifa to make changes to the transfer market - or do so via its own licensing regulations. Some of Europe's smaller leagues have complained about big teams signing up their best players at a young age, only to immediately send them on loan elsewhere. In the Premier League, Chelsea had more than 30 players out on loan earlier this season, while in Italy champions Juventus have more than 50 players loaned out. Ceferin also said Uefa would set up a new division entitled "Protection of the Game" to tackle doping, corruption, violence and match-fixing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajthefox Posted 22 March 2017 Share Posted 22 March 2017 I think limiting squad sides is probably a decent idea so long as it's a sensible number. Chelsea having 30 players out on loan is just ridiculous. It's just hoarding players in the hope one or two will be worth it at some point and to try and make it harder for the competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Posted 22 March 2017 Share Posted 22 March 2017 The only way to do so would be to have some kind of draft and that would never happen? A wage cap SHOULD AND NEEDS to be introduced though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKCJ Posted 22 March 2017 Share Posted 22 March 2017 9 minutes ago, Ashley said: The only way to do so would be to have some kind of draft and that would never happen? A wage cap SHOULD AND NEEDS to be introduced though. None of the big leagues would ever agree to that because their players would **** off to one of the other leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purpleronnie Posted 22 March 2017 Share Posted 22 March 2017 We did ok without the hoarded players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajthefox Posted 22 March 2017 Share Posted 22 March 2017 15 minutes ago, Ashley said: The only way to do so would be to have some kind of draft and that would never happen? A wage cap SHOULD AND NEEDS to be introduced though. Not sure where you're getting draft from, bringing young players through is a different issue, he has just suggested having a squad limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaelicFox Posted 22 March 2017 Share Posted 22 March 2017 If you can't see who this aimed at your blind and a sheep this will be an anti English Premier league rule ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nalis Posted 22 March 2017 Share Posted 22 March 2017 Nice idea but the bigger clubs will find loopholes in stockpiling players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Posted 22 March 2017 Share Posted 22 March 2017 2 hours ago, ajthefox said: Not sure where you're getting draft from, bringing young players through is a different issue, he has just suggested having a squad limit. Wants to stop domination - drafts? Teams change every so many years is the only way you'll stop total domination from the so called big clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4DD0gg Posted 22 March 2017 Share Posted 22 March 2017 Top euro clubs throwing their toys out the pram as they dont get such a big slice of pie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl the Llama Posted 23 March 2017 Share Posted 23 March 2017 11 hours ago, GaelicFox said: If you can't see who this aimed at your blind and a sheep this will be an anti English Premier league rule ! Because the Premier League is dominating in Europe right now. More likely a bid to make Spanish, French and German football more relevant to anyone who doesn't support one of the 6 teams that win things there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaelicFox Posted 23 March 2017 Share Posted 23 March 2017 1 hour ago, Carl the Llama said: Because the Premier League is dominating in Europe right now. More likely a bid to make Spanish, French and German football more relevant to anyone who doesn't support one of the 6 teams that win things there. Long may it dominate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheshamfox17 Posted 23 March 2017 Share Posted 23 March 2017 12 hours ago, GaelicFox said: If you can't see who this aimed at your blind and a sheep this will be an anti English Premier league rule ! You think, it seems to me that this would be bad news for Bayern, Madrid, Juventus, PSG and Barcelona especially because they just hoover up all the talent in their leagues (especially Bayern) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheshamfox17 Posted 23 March 2017 Share Posted 23 March 2017 1 hour ago, Carl the Llama said: Because the Premier League is dominating in Europe right now. More likely a bid to make Spanish, French and German football more relevant to anyone who doesn't support one of the 6 teams that win things there. Dominating financially for sure but not really in terms of player or team quality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Maul Posted 23 March 2017 Share Posted 23 March 2017 Squad limits and wage caps would level the playing field massively. It would have to be adhered to across the continent though- I'm sure the English FA would offer up the greatest resistance. Imagine being able to compete with the big clubs' salaries, and them not being able to sign anyone they want without any intention of playing them... Clubs like ours could sign some top players and compete. Average foreign players wouldn't move over here as frequently, improving English players' chances of playing and progressing and helping the national team. In reality, the gap will keep getting bigger as more and more money is pumped into the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 23 March 2017 Author Share Posted 23 March 2017 43 minutes ago, Ted Maul said: Squad limits and wage caps would level the playing field massively. It would have to be adhered to across the continent though- I'm sure the English FA would offer up the greatest resistance. Imagine being able to compete with the big clubs' salaries, and them not being able to sign anyone they want without any intention of playing them... Clubs like ours could sign some top players and compete. Average foreign players wouldn't move over here as frequently, improving English players' chances of playing and progressing and helping the national team. In reality, the gap will keep getting bigger as more and more money is pumped into the game. Not the FA, the PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxy boxing Posted 23 March 2017 Share Posted 23 March 2017 It's a fine line between getting the big clubs to tow the line and do what is best for the game and them threatening the governing body that if they don't like something then they threaten a breakaway European super league. the big clubs see it as they generate the most amounts of money so they should be entitled to bigger slices of the revenue than smaller clubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovejoy Posted 24 March 2017 Share Posted 24 March 2017 People who think Chelsea are bad should just look at Serie A teams. Almost every single one has over 100 players on their books and although it's Juve being highlighted at having 50 out on loan, the others are all around that mark as well. Just thinking out loud, if clubs weren't able to "hoard" quite so many players, meaning more players are available on frees, would it mean transfer fees wouldn't be quite so high? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Black Posted 25 March 2017 Share Posted 25 March 2017 This is a very good thing to do. It is about time that more open competition between football clubs of various sizes and from various countries is encouraged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxes_rule1978 Posted 25 March 2017 Share Posted 25 March 2017 Don't like player hoarding, it isn't just bad for the smaller clubs but also bad for the players too, so it is about time changes are made. Chelsea are just ridiculous with it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facecloth Posted 25 March 2017 Share Posted 25 March 2017 It might need some work because I'm thinking of this as I type it, but I think clubs should have to submit their intentions when signing a player. Too often do clubs just sign a player and then never use them. Man Utd with Schneiderlin, Chelsea with Felipe Luis amongst many others. I think unless they can state a reason for signing a player (either as back up or to come straight into the first team squad) the transfer should be subject to approval. If a player isn't used as intended they should be fined. It would make clubs think twice about just buying any half decent player and stockpiling them. Also when moving these particular players on, if they haven't been involved for a certain % of games they've been available for then they shouldn't be allowed to ask for astronomical fees. The fact Man Utd can sign Schneiderlin for £25m, not use him for 18 months then flog him to Everton for £22m just because they can afford not to sell is a joke. Everton should be able to contact the FA or the premier league and ask for a panel to decide a fair fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingsX Posted 19 June 2017 Share Posted 19 June 2017 I don't see a workable alternative in making leagues or (shudder) federations decide transfer fees. I think something more along the lines of the baseball Rule 5 draft is needed. It applies to players who have logged about five years as full professionals at any level. Teams can protect 40 players, including their lower league prospects. All others are exposed to other teams in the Rule 5 draft. If chosen, a player must be kept on the selecting team's major league roster for the whole season. (If not kept, he is waived then returns to his original team.) This helps level the playing field and allows some players who cannot crack "stacked" squads to see the light of day. In football this would apply to players on loan and junior squads. Tweaks would be needed for the academy system. And another thing ... make buyback clauses illegal ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jattdogg Posted 19 June 2017 Share Posted 19 June 2017 Hard salary cap that you cant exceed. Max main squad size. Max players allowed out on loan. Theres plenty of ways to stop hoarding but wont ever happen. Money talks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain... Posted 20 June 2017 Share Posted 20 June 2017 Whilst I don't agree with player hoarding a lot of the players Chelsea have out on loan are young and came through their academy/youth set-up at least they are out on loan and playing football instead of rotting in the reserves. I do think you have to look at the players being hoarded, I have seen very few complaints from players that they are not being used at a big club and those that have, Cuadrado for example at Chelsea have moved on without much of an issue. Something does need to be done, I don't know what though, you can't deprive the best players access to the best academies and you can't force parent clubs to just ditch their investments because they have too many good young players coming through. One thing I think is that scrapping B sides in Spain would help, playing for Barcelona B is better than playing for most La liga sides and as such they can attract more talent to their B team. The other thing is putting it on the players and having mandatory clauses in the contract that if a player isn't used then he can break their contract for a nominal amount and move somewhere else. Something like if a 21-23 year old player who has been available all season and played less than 300 minutes of league action (for parent or loan club), or say 5% of the minutes he was available for then the club can't stop him leaving. Obviously things like injuries, suspensions and player behaviour/attitude comes into it. 23-28 year olds need to be playing so they could have a 10-20% of minutes clause then it starts to go down as players get older so 28-30 10% 30+ 5% and lets say an U21 on a professional contract needs to have been in a squad league or cup 5 times, but doesn't need to have played any football. Obviously those figures are plucked out of my bottom, but something like that would prevent a player being stuck somewhere where he is just being hoarded to stop other clubs getting him, but not being used. It wouldn't necessarily stop player hoarding but it would get more players out on loan/on the pitch playing football and give players more control over their destiny if they are not in the clubs plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaelicFox Posted 20 June 2017 Share Posted 20 June 2017 On 22/03/2017 at 19:41, Ashley said: The only way to do so would be to have some kind of draft and that would never happen? A wage cap SHOULD AND NEEDS to be introduced though. Why ? Its an entertainment industry ... good luck to those lads earning millions , most come from humble backgrounds and it's good to see such talents rewarded I want to live in a country where people are free to earn as much as they can as quick as they can within the law not cap people just because other are green eyed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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