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2015 Election season ..........stuff it in here.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29628557

 

Labour getting their knickers in a twist already.  Had Freud said clearly what he meant - which is perhaps employers should be incentivised to employ disabled people whose disability means they have lower productivity / work rate which companies will not pay when they could get an able bodied employee for the same cost - then this would not be an issue.  They know that, but hey, we can work the term "Nasty party" into the speech so its all ok!

 

I do dislike the run up to an election, and it seems to have started already.

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Showing again, how conservatives think towards its poorer or disabled citizens.

FFS 2014, and we have morans, even voted in has Lords.Freud would have been at home in

Germany 1936-45.Forget the out of context, its the thinking behind it.

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Showing again, how conservatives think towards its poorer or disabled citizens.

FFS 2014, and we have morans, even voted in has Lords.Freud would have been at home in

Germany 1936-45.Forget the out of context, its the thinking behind it.

 

Totally disagree.  The thinking behind it is "how do we help a particular group of disabled people who are able to work but at a slower pace and who want to work into a job".  If you are a business and you have the free choice of employing person A who works at full speed and person B who is can only work at half speed, your rational decision is to employ person A?  If therefore we want to help those people get a job, then we need to incentivise businesses to make this an affordable alternative and level the playing field.

 

You could argue Freud is an idiot for the way he said it, as clearly the approach is to provide grants to businesses not reduce the minimum wage, and referring to disable people as not worth the monimum wage is an insensitive way of putting it, but I think it is perfectly clear he meant from a productivity perspective not from a personal perspective.

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Turning this into an opportunity to bash Labour makes you as bad as them Jon.

 

Anyway if that's what he wanted to say why didn't he say that? His remarks look very careless to me.

 

Definately careless.  I dislike both sides talking shit, this just pissed me off in PMQs.  I am really starting to dislike Ed Milliband.

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Only thing that was the problem is clearly the wording, gives the morons an easy stick to bash the Tories with though. Think he'll struggle to hang onto his job after this, just the sort of comment you simply can't say in public these days whether it's merited or not.

 

Thought this was quite a good measured response from a disabled blogger at Ouch.
 

Unemployment for disabled people has remained stubbornly around 50% for over twenty years despite schemes and incentives. It's perhaps understandable that Lord Freud might want to think outside the box to allow desperate disabled people to shine and get a real job with a real (if low) wage which for some may be preferable to remaining at home, isolated, looking forward to a life on benefits.

If disabled people could charge less for their time, they might get a job more easily... but it could also send out unhelpful messages and devalue all disabled workers.

Suggesting that disabled people may not be worthy of what's deemed to be a "minimum" wage is seen by campaigners as unacceptable, as Conservative MP Philip Davies found to his cost in 2011. Equal rights, equal pay are bound up in law and feel right and just.

Lord Freud sounds like he was raising an important debate, but has muddied the waters with what sounds like disrespectful language. And as a minister responsible for controversial welfare reforms, campaigners have been quick to claim it is a troubling insight into how he thinks.

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Showing again, how conservatives think towards its poorer or disabled citizens.

FFS 2014, and we have morans, even voted in has Lords.Freud would have been at home in

Germany 1936-45.Forget the out of context, its the thinking behind it.

 

Pretty offensive comparison.

 

I;m sure the disabled people of Germany at that time would have jumped at the chance to gain employment even on a lower wage rather than take the compulsory alternative on offer.

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Shall we come up with some catchy election slogans?

 

"If you want a peadophile for a neighbour, vote Labour"

 

"Be unclean, vote Green"

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Totally disagree.  The thinking behind it is "how do we help a particular group of disabled people who are able to work but at a slower pace and who want to work into a job".  If you are a business and you have the free choice of employing person A who works at full speed and person B who is can only work at half speed, your rational decision is to employ person A?  If therefore we want to help those people get a job, then we need to incentivise businesses to make this an affordable alternative and level the playing field.

 

You could argue Freud is an idiot for the way he said it, as clearly the approach is to provide grants to businesses not reduce the minimum wage, and referring to disable people as not worth the monimum wage is an insensitive way of putting it, but I pthink it is perfectly clear he meant from a productivity perspective not from a personal perspective.

Where does speed or pace come into a job valuation.How many jobs would involve the distinction or difference.

F1. Floor-runners.perhaps Production in factories, or offices???? Has mentioned this is 2014 not 1814, Disabled can work

m/cs just as quick.Another person who hasnt thought things out it seems.

There are productive workshops just for the disabled, for those who do or would have difficulties, in some of the more open employment markets.There are various ranges of Disabilities, so capabilities of completing a normal days work is always taken into consideration.

Plus many able mental/bodied people are just as slow, with lazy tendencies,unwarranted smoking and tea breaks. whipping died out with the slaves.

Love to know where A and B rational issues, are relevant enough to save millions or even 100k of pounds.

Not a ground any competent Lord or MP should be covering.

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Pretty offensive comparison.

 

I;m sure the disabled people of Germany at that time would have jumped at the chance to gain employment even on a lower wage rather than take the compulsory alternative on offer.

Offensive... how bloody offensive do you have to be.Do we have grades now.How far are YOU allowing MPS to go.??

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Shall we come up with some catchy election slogans?

 

"If you want a peadophile for a neighbour, vote Labour"

 

"Be unclean, vote Green"

 

"Vote UKIP and get done up like a kipper"

 

"You kip if you want to, UKIP is for turning....the clock back to 1830"

 

"Take a hosepipe to the garage, it's Nigel Farage!"

 

"Go to the pub with Farage and wake up in rehab"

 

"The new energy solution: drill into the Cameron oil slick"

 

"Vote Lib Dem to get rid of tuition fees"

 

"The Tories: cleaning up Labour's mess - with napalm and manure"

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