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  1. 5 points
    Poor point, even worse example.
  2. 2 points
    6th ahead of United. Heard it here first!
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    Woodward was quoted £80m for Maguire in May and paid it in August: here’s what really happened in between Almost as soon as last season finished the whispers around how much it would cost to sign Harry Maguire from Leicester City began. Word came from the very top at the King Power Stadium that respected agents’ valuations of £65 million were misguided. Aiyawatt Srivaddhanaprabha, known as Top, saw Maguire as a statement transfer and let it be known that only a world-record fee for a defender would be palatable. Sources have told The Athletic that Leicester’s owner initially wanted £100 million for Maguire. The message was clear to interested parties, including Manchester United and Manchester City: Leicester had a strong hand and would not fold. This left United’s executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward with a dilemma. Ole Gunnar Solskjaer had made it abundantly clear Maguire was his top target to elevate a mediocre defence, not only for his capabilities on the pitch but his presence off it. England and Leicester staff reported a grounded figure who possessed leadership qualities, the type of character United needed. Solskjaer also wanted business done early, so new signings could acclimatise to the club and his style of play during pre-season. But Woodward felt he could not afford to simply pay up. It is understood he was conscious of the precedent that might set for negotiations on other recruits. He knew, however, that given City’s interest he had to make the first move early. So in late May he called the Leicester chief executive Susan Whelan. Usually, Jon Rudkin, Leicester’s sporting director, would handle the negotiations but Woodward has developed an excellent professional relationship with Whelan through the Premier League summits that all club powerbrokers attend. Whelan would also be the one to host visiting directors in the Leicester boardroom, with Top’s father Vichai preferring to stay out of the way in his personal room adjacent. She struck up good rapports. A source says: “She is very welcoming, but also shrewd, organised, quick and intelligent.” It is said that following Vichai’s death last October, Whelan, who is also on the board at King Power and frequently flies to Thailand, has increased her input on football matters, as a trusted aid for Top following a 20-year working relationship. So Woodward picked up the phone, knowing Whelan’s influence. That initial conversation gave United a clear picture of the actual figure required to get Maguire: £80 million to edge the £75 million that Liverpool paid Southampton for Virgil van Dijk in January 2018. Sources say the tone of that first talk also left Leicester with the distinct impression a deal would be done. City, meanwhile, took a softer approach. Pep Guardiola wanted Maguire to replace Vincent Kompany and even approached the England defender on the pitch after City’s 1-0 win in the penultimate game of the campaign, expressing his admiration for his performance. Maguire was said to favour moving to the Etihad at this stage. But City were aware of Leicester’s demands and kept their counsel. By the middle of June the word in agent circles was that Leicester had proposed a fee of £90 million, a figure City sources stressed they would never get near. City board members also had recent experience of Leicester’s approach to selling players, having needed two windows to sign Riyad Mahrez for a club-record £60 million the year before, even if City were ultimately happy with the deal. City offered Nicolas Otamendi, whose wages were prohibitive, and Eliaquim Mangala, who Leicester had no interest in. Their indecision was such that at one stage they asked agents of other centre halves for their opinion of Maguire’s abilities. In the end they made a bid worth up to £70 million for the 26-year-old, but by July their pursuit had in effect been called off. United’s strong interest meant Leicester had absolutely no reason to lower their expectations on price. Guardiola said of Maguire on Sunday: “(A) top-class player. We were interested but we could not afford it. United could afford it. Congratulations to United on this signing.” The reason for United’s myopia was multi-faceted. Firstly, there was Sir Alex Ferguson. He had spotted Maguire’s potential at 17 after the 2011 FA Youth Cup final. Maguire played for Sheffield United against a side including Paul Pogba at Old Trafford but suffered a concussion that kept him in a Manchester hospital overnight. A few days later, Maguire received a call from a withheld number. It was Ferguson, who inquired about his health and told him that through hard work he could play at the top level. Fast forward to the summer of 2018 and United were trying to take Maguire to that level after his displays for England at the World Cup in Russia. Former manager Jose Mourinho made his feelings clear, but his interest came too late for the club to make a proper bid. This year, however, Maguire had a ringing endorsement from a member of United’s new management team. As Hull manager Mike Phelan gave Maguire his first Premier League start in October 2016, and found a player with an appetite to learn. Maguire would often take residence in video suites studying clips of his performances and also asked about the defenders such as Rio Ferdinand and Nemanja Vidic, with whom Phelan had worked during his first spell at United. He took a particular interest in data from the GPS system, which tracks the distance a player covers. Speaking last summer, Phelan said: “Harry was one who now and again wanted to know: ‘How did so-and-so deal with that? Why would I need to be in this type of position at this moment?’ It’s an education when making that jump. It was learning skills which weren’t his strength. When to stand still, when not to dribble out. He understood that.” When Phelan left Old Trafford and was asked by senior figures at the club if any players were worthy of joining United, he said Maguire. Andy Robertson, now at Liverpool, was another name mentioned. Solskjaer was a firm advocate too, viewing Maguire as a leader for his team, and repeatedly pressed Woodward to complete the signing. While maintaining public diplomacy, sources say that behind the scenes, as the days turned into weeks, Solskjaer became increasingly persistent. United made an initial bid of £70 million once the players reported back for pre-season on July 1, but Leicester rejected it. Woodward then waited. A fortnight later in a meeting with the Leicester manager Brendan Rodgers, Maguire expressed his wish to leave should the club’s valuation be met. The Leicester manager gave in. Maguire would continue to maintain professionalism, refusing to resort to going AWOL as Mahrez had when trying to force his move to City. That respect ensured that strong relations with everyone at Leicester were upheld. He made a point of playing in the first pre-season friendly at Scunthorpe on July 16, despite feeling unwell the day before, and would go on to feature in four warm-up games for Leicester. Top flew from Thailand to attend the match at Cambridge United on July 23 and reiterated his stance. There is a sense that after his father Vichai’s death last October he viewed this as a crucial, legacy-defining episode that would illustrate that the club’s ambition remains undimmed. During that time Maguire’s agent Kenny Shepherd, son of former Newcastle owner Freddy, and his business partner Paul Stretford, who counts Wayne Rooney as his most famous client, worked hard to mediate an agreement between the clubs. United’s chief negotiator Matt Judge was also involved. Still Woodward resisted, determined to lower the price. Leicester could now, though, point to the £50 million fee that United paid Crystal Palace for Aaron Wan-Bissaka as testimony for their own valuation of a player of far greater experience. Maguire had played more than 300 career games (98 in the Premier League), won 20 England caps, and starred at a World Cup. Wan-Bissaka, while prodigiously talented, had only really had one full season of first-team football under his belt. United did look at Tottenham’s Toby Alderweireld, Kalidou Koulibaly, of Napoli, and Bournemouth defender Nathan Ake, but these players have been described as “flirtations”. Solskjaer was committed to Maguire. Towards the end of July, as the impasse continued, Maguire was said to let his frustrations show. United were verbally approaching Leicester’s valuation but a compromise was not forthcoming. Sources say Maguire felt his dignified approach, plus a gentleman’s agreement when he signed his improved contract last summer that he could go for a reasonable price, warranted Leicester conceding some ground. The player was geared up for a move to Old Trafford by this point and it was clear how much United wanted him. This “minor sulkiness” is said to have manifested in one or two leisurely sessions on the bike at Leicester’s Belvoir Drive training ground, The Athletic has been told. But nothing more. In Maguire’s final Leicester game at Stoke City on July 27, informed observers reported an off-key performance. When Maguire called in sick on Monday July 29, suspicions were raised. While Rodgers did speak of an illness after the Stoke game it suited the 26-year-old, United and Leicester for him to miss that day’s broadcast media session and pre-season walkthroughs with Sky Sports. Awkward questions or out-of-sync video footage when Maguire was clearly on the move would not have helped anyone. Last Thursday Maguire held talks with Rodgers and both agreed he would miss the following night’s friendly against Atalanta. The mood music was very much that Woodward was finally prepared to push the button. The next morning came the decisive word: an £80 million fee up front. By Friday afternoon Rudkin was finalising the exact terms, taking into account the 15 per cent sell-on fee owed to Hull on the profit Leicester would make on their £15 million purchase in 2016. Personal terms on a six-year deal worth about £190,000 a week, more than double Maguire’s Leicester salary, were swiftly completed. The contract is a huge sum and prompts a trickle-down effect. Burnley might now demand £50 million for James Tarkowski, a Leicester target, for instance. But in terms of what United need, the money for Maguire could become irrelevant. He is a defender able to play the passing style that Solskjaer wants and brings a mentality for self-improvement, which should rub off on the younger players in the squad. A comparison can be made with Ferdinand, who cost £30 million from Leeds in 2002 and proved transformative for Ferguson. Maguire certainly bore the look of a man content while driving out of Carrington after his medical on Sunday. He can ask former Leicester team-mates Danny Simpson and Kasper Schmeichel for advice on a place to live, with both former team-mates residents of Cheshire’s Golden Triangle, the affluent villages favoured by Manchester’s footballers. There are those within the game, though, who feel the saga could have been wrapped up much sooner. United were aware of the trigger point and Rodgers was relaxed about Maguire’s departure from early on. But Woodward might well argue that United need to push back in such negotiations to limit the inflation that strikes whenever their name is part of the equation. After all, at least £80 million is not £100 million. https://theathletic.com/1116314/2019/08/05/woodward-was-quoted-80m-for-maguire-in-may-and-paid-it-in-august-heres-what-really-happened-in-between/?amp#click=https://t.co/Kkj4l00Oil
  4. 2 points
    If you win the lottery, don't go public. Be discrete, even with family and friends. Don't go bloody stupid with outlandish spending. Don't draw too much attention to yourself. That's what I'm going to be like when I eventually win it #positivethinking
  5. 2 points
    12 hours after we’ve had their pants down for Maguire.... We definitely can’t turn down that sort of money.
  6. 2 points
    Keep reading that Man Utd have bought him to be a much needed leader in their team. Does he have this in him? People seem to think he's a likable character but he doesn't strike me as a leader. If he is he never really displayed it here. And also will people stop saying he was 'Great' or 'Excellent' for us. He was a decent midtable PL defender at best and you can't possibly say we've looked defensively strong very often over his time here. And I don't get where this idea that his bringing the ball out from the back (and himself out of position) was a crucial part of the way we played has come from! Fully expect him to become a bit of a meme and a joke figure at Man Utd when he doesn't live up to the astronomical price tag.
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    Sh!t! Did you see that? He must have a foot like a traction engine!
  9. 2 points
    Wanted out after a year, only here for 2. He is obviously a decent bloke but I'm not really feeling a great sense of loss, especially at that price.
  10. 2 points
    There's a lot of negativity around here after the sale of HM. Unwarranted negativity. At the end of 2014-15 season we said goodbye to Cambiasso and the world was going to end. Didn't pan out to well, did it? Whatever, first on board for the new season!
  11. 1 point
    Apparently Southend my team are set to sign a Leicester winger on loan. The talk is that it's Layton Ndukwu. Any comments on this lad?
  12. 1 point
    A maximum of Wheat!!! this is getting exciting!!!
  13. 1 point
    Every agent, manager, chief exec & football club chairman have known he was going for over a month also! They’ve had 80 million reasons to not wrap something up with us
  14. 1 point
    Sorry for not getting back to you . Looks like it's been quoted anyway . We will see - seems to change each day !
  15. 1 point
    We have assumed he was going but no-one knows until the deal is done. Your expectations are a touch unreal in that the deal was signed off on Friday & you are pissed that no deal has been completed by Monday. I'm sure Leicester have held talks with many teams & I have every confidence that the right deal will get done.
  16. 1 point
    Rodgers wants more weapons, and Perez doesn't seem to like to play out along the touchline. For spacing purposes, I suspect we want two pacey players who can score along both wings, so as to spread and pressure opposing defenses. I think we will quickly find that Perez on the wing makes us easier to defend except when Ricardo is forward, as defenses will be able to shade away from the right as Perez creeps inside. Which admittedly may not hurt us much against the avg defenses in the league, just the brighter lights. Perez feels more of a fit as SS. Not that I think this will stop Perez starting most of the time, just Rodgers wants variety, he wants the pieces to match-up in the formation he thinks best suits the opponent, and there will absolutely be times where we want a more classic RW. Now, we do have Albrighton for that I suppose, but Sarr has the potential to be an upgrade in short order. If Sarr would be an upgrade on anyone, it would be Gray and Albrighton. Love Marc, but Demari is probably best shipped out someplace, he doesn't have a role here. Wish we would send him on loan to a Prem side, preferably one of the weaker clubs who would play him weekly.
  17. 1 point
    Right now, he isn't quite good enough to be a regular substitute in the Prem. I believe he has the athleticism and skill to look like a strong player in League One against the lesser sides (quite possibly even dominate when 2H rolls around), and will be a solid player even against the better sides to line up alongside Simon Cox if he's still there. He had a side from the 2nd tier of football in the Netherlands after him pretty hard about a year and a half ago I want to say, club called De Graafschap, IDK much about 'em though. I will say he and Callum Wright were class on our u23s last season, I just do not know how that league compares in terms of physicality to League One, so normal cautions re a 5-foot-10 20-year-old having a learning curve playing against grown-ass men ready to introduce him to what it means to play against real adults. Last wing we had out on loan who couldn't make our squad was Harvey Barnes (last season), he went to West Brom and was one of the best players in the Championship until we pulled him back in the Jan 2019 window. Fingers crossed he is able to give you that sort of performance.
  18. 1 point
    With respect, you are guessing.
  19. 1 point
    I'll praise him when he sorts our CB issue. We've left it mega late to let Harry go and didn't have a replacement lined up. The time it's taken I would have expected us to have a deal with a club where an agreement is triggered as soon as Harry was confirmed. Now we're being prices out by clubs demanding fees in the region of Harry's.
  20. 1 point
    He can refer to whatever article he wants & have whatever opinion he wants but it won’t change the fact he was being very disrespectful towards JR in his original post & he was wrong.
  21. 1 point
    Yeah basically what I said but more articulately People are forgetting Perez isn’t an Okazaki replacement on the bench, it’s Gray’s starting place that Perez is taking and that is a bloody massive upgrade.
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    Mate, did you watch the vid? Sarr is scoring in his highlights, a bunch of times. How is Demari going to make a better tape if scoring is involved?
  24. 1 point
    That really tickled me. I pictured it instantly. He's nodding off, head down, mouth open, drooling on his shirt. His arm falls out of his lap and the pie falls to the floor. He jolts to life, confused. Looks at his hand, still in claw-clutching-pie position, but pie missing! WTF?! Furrows brow. He looks around with urgency, panicked. Sees damaged pie on floor, relieved. Slowly looks around to see if he's being watched, acting nonchalant. Gobbles pie before it can escape again. Back to sleep.
  25. 1 point
    Yes he was the guy that tore Arsenal a new one in the first leg between the two teams. Sarr scored a flying header and also was fouled by Sokratis who picked up a second yellow card for doing so. He was MOTM in that game by a mile. Regarding our interest in him, he's an interesting one. He's definitely not the finished article which is what I think we really want. But a young player from Ligue 1 who is fast, strong and can finish... I mean those players always end up being great over here. Plus at 20 years old, this is one of those signings that you we could end up buying now for 30m and selling for 50m in 2-4 years time. I do think we can do better, but I wouldn't be unhappy to see him here. I think Albrighton would start the season ahead of him, but boy would it create a lot of good problems and competition for places in terms of squad selection. With the window closing soon, we probably have to take deals where we can get them and this one has the advantage that Rennes will definitely sell and probably have already determined the amount they want. The biggest plus for me is that he's a good finisher, which is the number one thing we lack in our team right now. Perez already looks like good business just because he doesn't piss himself when he's in front of goal and can keep his composure. If all 3 of our forward players could finish, the entire team gets better, because all of a sudden you can threaten from either flank or through the middle. His pace is no joke either!
  26. 1 point
    Every chance. Just giving the queen fans something.
  27. 1 point
    Can we all convene on one thread…. Clearly Sarr is nailed on, but, want to hear it on the correct thread harrumph
  28. 1 point
    Rennes, Watford - Mercato: Ismaïla Sarr is interested in another Premier League club WRITTEN BY EDAC JF MONDAY, AUGUST 5, 2019 AT 8:05 PM With an exit voucher in the event of an offer exceeding 30M €, the winger of Stade Rennais, Ismaïla Sarr could join Watford or Leicester. Big offer Leicester for Ismaïla Sarr Rennes, Watford - Mercato: Ismaïla Sarr is interested in another Premier League club Player with the highest market value at the Stade Rennais, Ismaïla Sarr should not make old bones in the Breton club. Conquered for several weeks by Watford, the Senegalese winger is very interested in another Premier League team. According to our information, Leicester is in the process of formulating an offer worth more than 30 million euros (40M € with bonuses) for Ismaïla Sarr. An offer that is likely to hit the ground, knowing that the striker of the SRFC has an agreement in principle with its leaders in case of offer exceeding 30M €. The departure of Ismaïla Sarr is more than ever imminent, knowing that Watford could align with the offer of Foxes.
  29. 1 point
    Of course we have progressed, I can't believe some of the comments that I am reading. We started last season with a volvo midfield of Wilf and Mendy and we've bought in a rolls royce in Youri. We have a better option on the right in Perez and better cover for the full back positions and bagged a world record fee for Maguire. A bloomin marvellous window and there is still time to add to it. I wouldn't be too worried about a winger, I get the feeling we will be playing with wide forwards in a 4-3-3, not out and out wingers. I think that our first XI will be much stronger than last August and with a better manager playing some good football. edit - I also think we progressed last year by losing Mahrez and bringing in Maddison, Evans and Ricardo.
  30. 1 point
    be careful about leaving your house, there’s any number of things and people that could hurt you...
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  33. 1 point
    We will sign Wellbeck
  34. 1 point
    #neverheardofhim #gerrimin
  35. 1 point
    Naturally looks very gifted, both footed. Does look like he’s not to bothered because of his casual style! Had had injury problems but odd things I’ve seen he looks half decent! Should be good for you in league 1
  36. 1 point
    He is a brilliant coach. He'll be in the big league again.
  37. 1 point
    Obviously if you're black or brown you never get into a fight... Someone should tell the Zulus they've been doing it wrong all these years.
  38. 1 point
    Happy for Harry, have no ill feelings towards him, always been a professional, no bad words from me. From a sportive perspective, a certain loss, but not one that we cannot compensate in the near future. He's a good defender with a certain cult factor about him due to his physique and playing style, but as a true defender gets caught out of position still too often. Great amount of money for us, when's the last time you heard a LCFC player going to Manchester United for a record-breaking fee? It used to be us relying on Manchester United dropouts in the pre-Premier League years (Drinkwater, James, Lingard, Keane, Cleverley, Lawrence, Powell, Barmby). We are massive. Good luck at Old Trafford, Harry!
  39. 1 point
    Maybe you should inform your board, since they're about to drop 20 million on a former OHL Youth player, Dennis Praet.
  40. 1 point
    I would rather sign Cahill for a year or so as cover on a freebie than pay between £40 - 60m for the other players ( Ake & Tarkowski ) we have been linked with!
  41. 1 point
    I still think Cahill has something to offer. Yes he is slow but look how Evans was our best CB last year by just using his experience and reading of the game. I also think this is a signing which means that Soyuncu isn't immediately sidelined again and has a genuine chance of starting a number of games for us and developing into our starting CB for years to come. He just needs time and with a player like Cahill coming in, I think we lower the risk of putting full faith in Soyuncu but also don't inhibit his development into hopefully a top CB with us. I think it would be a smart deal for us for 1 season and then perhaps we will have to spend big on a CB next summer or maybe Benkovic being a year on and settled here, is capable of stepping up too. Exciting times either way you look at things, as we have money to spend but also young players who are capable of making the step up too.
  42. 1 point
    Yes he's not worth the money but he is still a very good player and we certainly worse off without him, for now at least. He's a modern defender so will make the odd mistake and I think you need to be clever with the players you have around him. In a team that might dominate possession a lot he will be good. Used us for career development, but that's fine, that's the way it is. We are kidding ourselves if we think players won't leave to join the likes of United. Don't have any anger towards him and hope we don't abuse him when he returns but he's just another player now.
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    Albrighton won the league as a wide midfielder in a 4411 playing counter attacking football where his defensive contributions were valued above all else. Albrighton is not under any circumstances a goal scoring wide forward in a 433.
  45. 1 point
    No idea mate & it’d be irrelevant anyway. The owners have put them in charge of running the football club. JR overseas the footballing side, SW overseas the business side. They work side by side so are just as important as each other
  46. 1 point
    After reading that I’m honestly 50/50 as to whether you’re a parody account on a wind up or not! Let me get this straight. You’re saying that Top set a transfer price to his director of football who then had nothing to do with the negotiations apart from accepting offers for the amount that was told by the club? So Rudkin was basically just a glorified receptionist for a World record transfer then?!?! If you think that was the actual case then how would it of been possible for JR to sign off a £70m deal for Maguire with no negotiations or any input from Top resulting in his dismissal in the fantasy land story u made up?
  47. 1 point
    So much for it being the COMMUNITY Shield
  48. 1 point
    Brexit voters and Trump voters. Take a listen. Not much difference between us.
  49. 1 point
    What an embarrassingly disrespectful post to make. It’s like saying what’s Vardy done other than what he’s been told to do. Putting the fact he’s been a massive part of us becoming one of the best run Football clubs in Europe which has put us in the unbelievable position we now find ourselves in to one side, more importantly he was Vichai’s right hand man through it all which says everything! Instead of all the petty, uneducated, non factual, blame game & finger pointing comments that are thrown his way, he should be given a lot more respect when u compare us to the majority of other clubs for the very difficult job he’s had & the position he’s helped to put us in.
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