Rincewind Posted 15 March 2017 Share Posted 15 March 2017 This is one of those No Shit Sherlock moments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 15 March 2017 Share Posted 15 March 2017 Hammond does a U-turn over NI rise: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39278968 Absolutely shambolic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 15 March 2017 Share Posted 15 March 2017 34 minutes ago, Buce said: Hammond does a U-turn over NI rise: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39278968 Absolutely shambolic. Yes, poor form. this is what happens when you only have a small majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rincewind Posted 15 March 2017 Share Posted 15 March 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theessexfox Posted 15 March 2017 Share Posted 15 March 2017 Geert Wilders' anti-immigration party in the Netherlands doesn't look to have made the headway it hoped. https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/mar/15/dutch-election-voters-go-to-the-polls-in-the-netherlands-live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 16 March 2017 Share Posted 16 March 2017 Ahahah, that's right, **** off Wilders. Marine le Pen next, cheerio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grewks Posted 16 March 2017 Share Posted 16 March 2017 Can someone correct me if i'm wrong with regards to the situation with the scots... But am i right in saying that, - The Scots voted in the SNP with huge numbers, massively, on the back of promises to put Scotland first and to hold a referendum. - The same Scots who voted in such a majority, decided to vote against the party they put into power by voting to 'remain'. - Now, they want another one? Now I understand things have changed with regards to us leaving the E.U.... But did the Scots basically vote to claim that they wanted to have a vote, and then decide to vote against their initial vote, and now want another vote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 16 March 2017 Share Posted 16 March 2017 7 minutes ago, Grewks said: Can someone correct me if i'm wrong with regards to the situation with the scots... But am i right in saying that, - The Scots voted in the SNP with huge numbers, massively, on the back of promises to put Scotland first and to hold a referendum. - The same Scots who voted in such a majority, decided to vote against the party they put into power by voting to 'remain'. - Now, they want another one? Now I understand things have changed with regards to us leaving the E.U.... But did the Scots basically vote to claim that they wanted to have a vote, and then decide to vote against their initial vote, and now want another vote? I think you are confusing an electoral landside with 'huge numbers'. It's a product of the FPTP electoral system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grewks Posted 16 March 2017 Share Posted 16 March 2017 1 minute ago, Buce said: I think you are confusing an electoral landside with 'huge numbers'. It's a product of the FPTP electoral system. Are they not still huge numbers though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 16 March 2017 Share Posted 16 March 2017 1 minute ago, Grewks said: Are they not still huge numbers though? I guess it depends how you define it. As a percentage of the total electorate, possibly not (tbf, I haven't seen any figures, but as an example the UK government was elected by circa 20% of the electorate, so I think it's a reasonable assumption). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grewks Posted 16 March 2017 Share Posted 16 March 2017 3 minutes ago, Buce said: I guess it depends how you define it. As a percentage of the total electorate, possibly not (tbf, I haven't seen any figures, but as an example the UK government was elected by circa 20% of the electorate, so I think it's a reasonable assumption). But am i right in saying that the Scots basically voted in their election to claim the right to have a referendum vote, and then decided to use that referendum vote to almost 'cancel out' their initial vote and go against the party they elected with their vote in the first place? And now want another vote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 16 March 2017 Share Posted 16 March 2017 4 minutes ago, Buce said: I guess it depends how you define it. As a percentage of the total electorate, possibly not (tbf, I haven't seen any figures, but as an example the UK government was elected by circa 20% of the electorate, so I think it's a reasonable assumption). Also a vote for SNP doesn't necessarily mean you want independence, they might just represent Scotland better down here and not sell them short like other parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 16 March 2017 Share Posted 16 March 2017 1 minute ago, Grewks said: But am i right in saying that the Scots basically voted in their election to claim the right to have a referendum vote, and then decided to use that referendum vote to almost 'cancel out' their initial vote and go against the party they elected with their vote in the first place? And now want another vote? The last referendum was before the GE, so no that's not quite correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rincewind Posted 16 March 2017 Share Posted 16 March 2017 It is what is known in Orwellian terms as Newspeak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grewks Posted 16 March 2017 Share Posted 16 March 2017 1 minute ago, Strokes said: The last referendum was before the GE, so no that's not quite correct. fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grewks Posted 16 March 2017 Share Posted 16 March 2017 Am i right in saying that the SNP want to return 'Democratic powers' back to the Scottish people....by transferring them to Brussels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 16 March 2017 Share Posted 16 March 2017 1 minute ago, Grewks said: fair enough. What is closer to truth is, labour were the biggest party up north but by campaigning against independence, they lost a lot of their core support and the SNP lapped it up. Now they are pushing their own agenda to deflect from their inadequate ability to run the country and to remain relevant. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 16 March 2017 Share Posted 16 March 2017 6 minutes ago, Grewks said: Am i right in saying that the SNP want to return 'Democratic powers' back to the Scottish people....by transferring them to Brussels? You won't find me arguing against it, ask @Carl the Llama, he might give you the bite you after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grewks Posted 16 March 2017 Share Posted 16 March 2017 Just now, Strokes said: You won't find me arguing against it, ask @Carl the Llama, he might give you the bite you after. I'm not after a bite haha...i'm just asking if i'm seeing it as it looks from the outside. The SNP want to leave the UK to get Scotland its democracy back....but then they want to join the most undemocratic bureaucracy around. Sounds a bit like leaving your mrs because she's cheated on you....and then going back to an ex you previously left, also for cheating on you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innovindil Posted 16 March 2017 Share Posted 16 March 2017 1 hour ago, Grewks said: I'm not after a bite haha...i'm just asking if i'm seeing it as it looks from the outside. The SNP want to leave the UK to get Scotland its democracy back....but then they want to join the most undemocratic bureaucracy around. Sounds a bit like leaving your mrs because she's cheated on you....and then going back to an ex you previously left, also for cheating on you. That's as far as you have to think. They knew before that leaving the UK meant leaving EU and didn't seem to really care, now it just seems like a convenient excuse for a second shot at it whilst using the EU to get more people on board. If they leave the UK and struggle getting back into the EU would the SNP give a damn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 17 March 2017 Share Posted 17 March 2017 George Osborne to become editor of London Evening Standard http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39304944 Don't see how he can do this and remain as an MP in Cheshire. He's got to resign surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 17 March 2017 Share Posted 17 March 2017 36 minutes ago, Webbo said: George Osborne to become editor of London Evening Standard http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39304944 Don't see how he can do this and remain as an MP in Cheshire. He's got to resign surely? That's a little bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 17 March 2017 Share Posted 17 March 2017 1 hour ago, Webbo said: George Osborne to become editor of London Evening Standard http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39304944 Don't see how he can do this and remain as an MP in Cheshire. He's got to resign surely? I guess that depends if he is a hands-on editor, or an executive editor who turns up half a day a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 17 March 2017 Share Posted 17 March 2017 1 minute ago, Jon the Hat said: I guess that depends if he is a hands-on editor, or an executive editor who turns up half a day a week. Supposed to be 4 days a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 17 March 2017 Share Posted 17 March 2017 1 minute ago, Webbo said: Supposed to be 4 days a week. He has peaked as a politician and probably wants a new challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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