lifted*fox Posted 25 June 2018 Share Posted 25 June 2018 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-44604280 Harley Davidson announce plans to invest more money into their international factories to increase production outside of USA after Trump's tariffs create substantial burden. Bwahaha, that worked as expected then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 25 June 2018 Share Posted 25 June 2018 9 minutes ago, lifted*fox said: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-44604280 Harley Davidson announce plans to invest more money into their international factories to increase production outside of USA after Trump's tariffs create substantial burden. Bwahaha, that worked as expected then. Very sad, the World needs to be removing tariffs - not implementing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifted*fox Posted 25 June 2018 Share Posted 25 June 2018 Just now, MattP said: Very sad, the World needs to be removing tariffs - not implementing them. Indeed Matthew, as we need to be breaking down borders, not putting them up. Sad times indeed. All that hard work to open the world up to each other and now we're closing it all back off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 25 June 2018 Share Posted 25 June 2018 Despite all the hysteria, the Florida senate race looks to be going Republican - barring huge swings in a couple of rust belt states Trump looks on course to win again in 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 25 June 2018 Share Posted 25 June 2018 15 minutes ago, lifted*fox said: Indeed Matthew, as we need to be breaking down borders, not putting them up. Sad times indeed. All that hard work to open the world up to each other and now we're closing it all back off. Up to the people of the nation states to decide that, I personally support a Palestinian state and independence for the kurdish people among others so I'd like to see a few more borders go up. Trade barriers though are crazy and just make everything more expensive for the consumer, one of the worst part if Trump's populism this, but it's part of what's won him the election in the old manufacturing rust belt areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 25 June 2018 Share Posted 25 June 2018 6 minutes ago, MattP said: Up to the people of the nation states to decide that, I personally support a Palestinian state and independence for the kurdish people among others so I'd like to see a few more borders go up. Trade barriers though are crazy and just make everything more expensive for the consumer, one of the worst part if Trump's populism this, but it's part of what's won him the election in the old manufacturing rust belt areas. Purely as a matter of curiosity, Matt, where would you place a Palestinian state? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifted*fox Posted 25 June 2018 Share Posted 25 June 2018 22 minutes ago, MattP said: Despite all the hysteria, the Florida senate race looks to be going Republican - barring huge swings in a couple of rust belt states Trump looks on course to win again in 2020. He'll absolutely get another four years. Even if he isn't going to get the vote from the people there will be bots and trolls from across the world ensuring he gets it again. No way Putin is going to let his little puppet get kicked half way through the project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 25 June 2018 Share Posted 25 June 2018 7 minutes ago, Buce said: Purely as a matter of curiosity, Matt, where would you place a Palestinian state? I'd imagine it would have to incorporate parts the West Bank, problem obviously is how you get that and the people from the Gaza Strip into the same location. Impossible without serious negotiate and partition of people. 6 minutes ago, lifted*fox said: He'll absolutely get another four years. Even if he isn't going to get the vote from the people there will be bots and trolls from across the world ensuring he gets it again. No way Putin is going to let his little puppet get kicked half way through the project. Can't win the Rust Belt without help from Putin, all you see on Twitter is working class pit workers. For what it's worth it all depends on the Democrat candidate in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifted*fox Posted 25 June 2018 Share Posted 25 June 2018 2 minutes ago, MattP said: Can't win the Rust Belt without help from Putin, all you see on Twitter is working class pit workers. All you see on twitter is bots pretending to be working class pit workers. People with names ending in multiple numbers are most likely bots / twitter-trolls being paid to flood twitter with pro-Trump propaganda. I saw an article from an ex-Pittsburgh steel-worker the other day who said that steel in the US is dead and it isn't coming back, no matter how badly Trump wants to pretend it is. Reference the Harley article from earlier - even the stalwarts of USA production aren't prepared to bring all their manufacturing back to the USA because it just isn't feasible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 25 June 2018 Share Posted 25 June 2018 1 minute ago, lifted*fox said: All you see on twitter is bots pretending to be working class pit workers. People with names ending in multiple numbers are most likely bots / twitter-trolls being paid to flood twitter with pro-Trump propaganda. I saw an article from an ex-Pittsburgh steel-worker the other day who said that steel in the US is dead and it isn't coming back, no matter how badly Trump wants to pretend it is. Reference the Harley article from earlier - even the stalwarts of USA production aren't prepared to bring all their manufacturing back to the USA because it just isn't feasible. Yep, that last bit is spot on. Left wing populism at it's worst that and in ten years time they'll be deep regret for it. But that's what they voted for, he wasn't exactly shy about telling the voters they would do it. It's sad many voters here seem to want to go down that route as well, protecting their own industry at any cost whatsoever, if McDonnell ever gets to number 11 we'll see exactly the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 25 June 2018 Share Posted 25 June 2018 13 minutes ago, MattP said: I'd imagine it would have to incorporate parts the West Bank, problem obviously is how you get that and the people from the Gaza Strip into the same location. Impossible without serious negotiate and partition of people. 1 1 Personally, I think the likelihood of a 'two-state' solution is now zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 25 June 2018 Share Posted 25 June 2018 4 minutes ago, Buce said: Personally, I think the likelihood of a 'two-state' solution is now zero. Not impossible, but I think it's further away than ever at the minute. That seems to suit the Israeli government and Hamas fine as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 25 June 2018 Share Posted 25 June 2018 Just now, MattP said: Not impossible, but I think it's further away than ever at the minute. That seems to suit the Israeli government and Hamas fine as well. The problem is with the Israeli religious right. Because of the Israeli electoral system, they wield disproportionate power and they view the West Bank as historically and biblically Jewish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 25 June 2018 Share Posted 25 June 2018 1 minute ago, Buce said: The problem is with the Israeli religious right. Because of the Israeli electoral system, they wield disproportionate power and they view the West Bank as historically and biblically Jewish. The electorate system doesn't help, because they have PR they moderate wings have to implement more extreme policy to pass motions with the support of the religious right. Let's not forget the other side either, who vote for Hamas in big numbers who often openly admit a desire to murder as many Jews as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 25 June 2018 Share Posted 25 June 2018 12 minutes ago, MattP said: The electorate system doesn't help, because they have PR they moderate wings have to implement more extreme policy to pass motions with the support of the religious right. Let's not forget the other side either, who vote for Hamas in big numbers who often openly admit a desire to murder as many Jews as possible. Yeah, it's one big mess, made worse by Israel having no real motive to find a solution. Bit by bit, with every settlement built, it is becoming a de facto part of Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 26 June 2018 Share Posted 26 June 2018 19 hours ago, MattP said: Despite all the hysteria, the Florida senate race looks to be going Republican - barring huge swings in a couple of rust belt states Trump looks on course to win again in 2020. Hmmm... Coupla things here. Firstly, Scott is ahead in that particular poll (he is after all one of the more popular Repubs in his home state) but the overall average polls for Florida from February to now courtesy of https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2018/senate/fl/florida_senate_scott_vs_nelson-6246.html give him just a 0.4% lead, even though he seems narrowly ahead in recent times. Still an interesting chase with a long way to go. Secondly, I have no idea how a single poll for a single Senate seat translates to a prediction of overall success for the Repubs in the various midterms this year, let alone for Trump in 2020 - not when there are so many variables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Finnegan Posted 27 June 2018 Share Posted 27 June 2018 On 25/06/2018 at 15:57, Buce said: Purely as a matter of curiosity, Matt, where would you place a Palestinian state? It'd probably want to go from about Eilat to Metula and from the Dead Sea to the Med. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 27 June 2018 Share Posted 27 June 2018 1 minute ago, Finnegan said: It'd probably want to go from about Eilat to Metula and from the Dead Sea to the Med. Reveal hidden contents Going by memory, the Negev desert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 27 June 2018 Share Posted 27 June 2018 6 minutes ago, Buce said: Going by memory, the Negev desert? Keep going... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 27 June 2018 Share Posted 27 June 2018 3 minutes ago, Finnegan said: Keep going... Oh, yeah. Got it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 27 June 2018 Share Posted 27 June 2018 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/06/23/make-america-white-again-a-politicians-billboard-ignites-uproar/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9e4872090db4 Well done, this current administration, for enabling and normalising this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpe's Fox Posted 27 June 2018 Share Posted 27 June 2018 big result last night where a 28 old socialist who was a bartender this time last year beat the favorite to replace Nancy Peloci as the house leader of the democrats in the Democratic primary for the congressional seat in the Bronx. The Democratic party has to go left or get beat again in 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 27 June 2018 Share Posted 27 June 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said: big result last night where a 28 old socialist who was a bartender this time last year beat the favorite to replace Nancy Peloci as the house leader of the democrats in the Democratic primary for the congressional seat in the Bronx. The Democratic party has to go left or get beat again in 2020. Was gonna post about this too, good stuff but as I've said before concerning the nation at large I'm worried that large swathes of swing voters are too susceptible to the "OMGZ COMMIE!!!!111" dog-whistle that can and will get trotted out against even a vaguely left candidate. Edited 27 June 2018 by leicsmac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpe's Fox Posted 27 June 2018 Share Posted 27 June 2018 Just now, leicsmac said: Was gonna post about this too, good stuff but as I've said before I'm worried that large swathes of swing voters are too susceptible to the "OMGZ COMMIE!!!!111" dog-whistle that can and will get trotted out against even a vaguely left candidate. The left can overcome by winning the argument, which the left always does. Democracy always leads to socialism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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