fuchsntf Posted 11 April 2017 Share Posted 11 April 2017 What a very uncomfortable situation... Just think, this could of easily happened to YOU.. I bet they wouldnt of attacked an white American... Its wasnt the reason, which was poor customer Service, but the how with no explanation given to fellow passengers.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 11 April 2017 Share Posted 11 April 2017 it's United Airlines, not American Airlines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchsntf Posted 11 April 2017 Author Share Posted 11 April 2017 3 minutes ago, StanSP said: it's United Airlines, not American Airlines. My bad, I meant to put that...dont throw me off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozleicester Posted 11 April 2017 Share Posted 11 April 2017 Shameful display of profits before people. It is written Into your "agreement" that you can be bounced at their discretion... but that doesnt make it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 11 April 2017 Share Posted 11 April 2017 Why they selected him to be removed is one thing, how they removed him is another. If he'd been ordered off the plane and he refused to go then they were entitled to eject him physically. I can't comment on whether he was selected due to racial prejudice (in all likelihood it was probably random but then, hey, that story is less likely to go viral) but once he refuses to depart, he's a technically breaking the law on an aircraft, that's what happens. The real fvck up appears to be from their booking department, so he'll probably wind up with a free flight or two to save face (cwotididthar.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Finnegan Posted 11 April 2017 Share Posted 11 April 2017 Just now, ozleicester said: Shameful display of profits before people. It is written Into your "agreement" that you can be bounced at their discretion... but that doesnt make it right. This is just retarded and ridiculously naive. What do they do? Make everyone late and hold up all the other flights because he refuses to get off? Or not put their staff on the flight meaning other flights get cancelled and other commuters get let down? I understand his annoyance, the airline overbooked the flight he's on, they ****ed up, but that was quite possibly some minimum wage desk clerk or an oversight in a bit of software. There's no profiteering here and I'd be the first to moan if there were, this is just logistics. Heavyhandedly carried out but if a guy is physically resisting, what are they meant to do? Taze him? Tranq him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 11 April 2017 Share Posted 11 April 2017 In the airlines defense, they played no part in the removal of the passenger.. the security staff employed by the airport did that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 11 April 2017 Share Posted 11 April 2017 1 minute ago, Finnegan said: Why they selected him to be removed is one thing, how they removed him is another. If he'd been ordered off the plane and he refused to go then they were entitled to eject him physically. I can't comment on whether he was selected due to racial prejudice (in all likelihood it was probably random but then, hey, that story is less likely to go viral) but once he refuses to depart, he's a technically breaking the law on an aircraft, that's what happens. The real fvck up appears to be from their booking department, so he'll probably wind up with a free flight or two to save face (cwotididthar.) apparently it's done on the cheapest seat paid for and/or last person to book on to the flight. Someone else on the plane has said that he was removed once, lost in the terminal, made his way back on to the plane. That's when he was ejected with more physical force and where he's kicked up more of a fuss saying he needs to go home as he's a doctor and needs to see patiences. Like you say though, how they've removed him is one thing. It seems excessive to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 11 April 2017 Share Posted 11 April 2017 1 minute ago, MPH said: In the airlines defense, they played no part in the removal of the passenger.. the security staff employed by the airport did that. Exactly. You commit a felony on an aircraft, especially in the USA, what are you expecting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 11 April 2017 Share Posted 11 April 2017 Chicago Police said he sustained his injuries by falling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 11 April 2017 Share Posted 11 April 2017 1 minute ago, StanSP said: apparently it's done on the cheapest seat paid for and/or last person to book on to the flight. Someone else on the plane has said that he was removed once, lost in the terminal, made his way back on to the plane. That's when he was ejected with more physical force and where he's kicked up more of a fuss saying he needs to go home as he's a doctor and needs to see patiences. Like you say though, how they've removed him is one thing. It seems excessive to me. But how would you remove someone that refused to get off the plane, who physically resisted, when you have a very small time frame? They miss their window to take off, they miss their window to land the other end, all the other passengers are delayed, potentially so are other flights. You can't just simply say "oh yeah, hold on a minute, we'll go when we're ready." Air transit isn't that straightforward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 11 April 2017 Share Posted 11 April 2017 2 minutes ago, Finnegan said: But how would you remove someone that refused to get off the plane, who physically resisted, when you have a very small time frame? They miss their window to take off, they miss their window to land the other end, all the other passengers are delayed, potentially so are other flights. You can't just simply say "oh yeah, hold on a minute, we'll go when we're ready." Air transit isn't that straightforward. Strong words and a good telling off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUltimateWinner Posted 11 April 2017 Share Posted 11 April 2017 Someone sent me the video earlier, disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 11 April 2017 Share Posted 11 April 2017 3 minutes ago, Finnegan said: But how would you remove someone that refused to get off the plane, who physically resisted, when you have a very small time frame? They miss their window to take off, they miss their window to land the other end, all the other passengers are delayed, potentially so are other flights. You can't just simply say "oh yeah, hold on a minute, we'll go when we're ready." Air transit isn't that straightforward. Just now, MPH said: Strong words and a good telling off. hand them a Pepsi and let them all cool down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozleicester Posted 11 April 2017 Share Posted 11 April 2017 4 minutes ago, Finnegan said: This is just retarded and ridiculously naive. What do they do? Make everyone late and hold up all the other flights because he refuses to get off? Or not put their staff on the flight meaning other flights get cancelled and other commuters get let down? I understand his annoyance, the airline overbooked the flight he's on, they ****ed up, but that was quite possibly some minimum wage desk clerk or an oversight in a bit of software. There's no profiteering here and I'd be the first to moan if there were, this is just logistics. Heavyhandedly carried out but if a guy is physically resisting, what are they meant to do? Taze him? Tranq him? You really are a sucker for modern society arent you... retarded you say...what do they do you ask? How about NOT OVERBOOKING. Because they overbooked, THEY made everyone late and held everyone up (omg how terrible) How about THEY pay adequate compensation to have someone get off the plane How about, they dont put too many people on the plane in the first place. They didnt do those things because of money, greed and profit. They prattle on about customer service etc.. and the sheep believe them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 11 April 2017 Share Posted 11 April 2017 United are going to get a real kicking in the courts and in public opinion for this one. The fault for the incident itself definitely lies with the Chicago airport fuzz who responded to their call with all the enthusiasm and result you can expect from most American cops...but in this day and age there's got to be a better way of either making sure a flight isn't overbooked in the first place or making someone deplane if necessary (like, perhaps, offering a set amount and then upping it until someone decides they'll take the $$$?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 11 April 2017 Share Posted 11 April 2017 6 minutes ago, ozleicester said: You really are a sucker for modern society arent you... retarded you say...what do they do you ask? How about NOT OVERBOOKING. Because they overbooked, THEY made everyone late and held everyone up (omg how terrible) How about THEY pay adequate compensation to have someone get off the plane How about, they dont put too many people on the plane in the first place. They didnt do those things because of money, greed and profit. They prattle on about customer service etc.. and the sheep believe them. Actually they didnt overbook. They had the right amount of seats booked. They then had a situation where they needed to transfer some staff to another destination which caused the problem. Of course they could of said " you 200 people waiting for your plane and to get to jobs and get home to families, screw you.. there's this one guy who wont get off the plane so you can stay in the airport tonight until the greyhound carrying the staff gets there. Oh wait,. they'll then need to rest after travelling all night.. so it will be tomorrow afternoon" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozleicester Posted 11 April 2017 Share Posted 11 April 2017 5 minutes ago, MPH said: Actually they didnt overbook. They had the right amount of seats booked. They then had a situation where they needed to transfer some staff to another destination which caused the problem. Of course they could of said " you 200 people waiting for your plane and to get to jobs and get home to families, screw you.. there's this one guy who wont get off the plane so you can stay in the airport tonight until the greyhound carrying the staff gets there. Oh wait,. they'll then need to rest after travelling all night.. so it will be tomorrow afternoon" perhaps read the story again. They overbooked, failed to organise correct staffing for their other flights and so the paying public are assaulted and removed. Edfit, heres the story... United Airlines insists they "followed the right procedures" after video of a passenger being dragged from an overbooked flight and being left with a bloodied face sparked outrage. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-11/united-airlines-passenger-dragged-off-overbooked-flight/8433104 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 11 April 2017 Share Posted 11 April 2017 9 minutes ago, ozleicester said: perhaps read the story again. They overbooked, failed to organise correct staffing for their other flights and so the paying public are assaulted and removed. Edfit, heres the story... United Airlines insists they "followed the right procedures" after video of a passenger being dragged from an overbooked flight and being left with a bloodied face sparked outrage. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-11/united-airlines-passenger-dragged-off-overbooked-flight/8433104 Ah yes of course... Because an Australian news source will be more accurate than an american one. - about a story that happened in america! They really didnt overbook. Unless of course you are suggesting that they leave 4-5 empty seats on every flight just in case they have another staffing crisis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 11 April 2017 Share Posted 11 April 2017 20 minutes ago, ozleicester said: You really are a sucker for modern society arent you... retarded you say...what do they do you ask? How about NOT OVERBOOKING. Because they overbooked, THEY made everyone late and held everyone up (omg how terrible) How about THEY pay adequate compensation to have someone get off the plane How about, they dont put too many people on the plane in the first place. They didnt do those things because of money, greed and profit. They prattle on about customer service etc.. and the sheep believe them. But you make it sound like they deliberately overbooked the flight. Why would they do that? Like I said, some poor sod sat behind a desk probably cocked up. Not "THE CORPORATE MACHINE, MAN(!)" but probably some twenty year old making considerably less an hour than the veteran doctor throwing a tantrum. You also have no idea whether or not the airline offered (or were intending to offer) compensation to passengers who had to get off the flight for their inconvenience. Personally, I've found every airline I've ever travelled with to be very quick to hand out free flights and accommodation in the face of having ballsed up. (This is all assuming they DID **** up, when alternative sources say they didn't.) That's not what this story is about. This story is about a man refusing to get off a plane he didn't have a legal right to insist on being on and, by all accounts, trying to force himself back on it. My question to you is how should they get him off the plane if he refuses, other than with force? What were they meant to do? Bribe another customer to get off instead? Maybe pay for them to go to Disneyland to incentivize them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 11 April 2017 Share Posted 11 April 2017 Just now, MPH said: Ah yes of course... Because an Australian news source will be more accurate than an american one... They really didnt overbook. Unless of course you are suggesting that they leave 4-5 empty seats on every flight just in case they have another staffing crisis? 4 Perhaps not that extreme, but perhaps a little more forward planning in the future? You know, to save them the couple of mill the forthcoming lawsuit is going to cost them? Again, perhaps they could have 'auctioned' the space off - would end up costing them much, much less than this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 11 April 2017 Share Posted 11 April 2017 Just now, leicsmac said: Perhaps not that extreme, but perhaps a little more forward planning in the future? You know, to save them the couple of mill the forthcoming lawsuit is going to cost them? Again, perhaps they could have 'auctioned' the space off - would end up costing them much, much less than this. Why would they have to pay anything out? It wasn't their staff that laid their hands on the guy that was breaking the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 11 April 2017 Share Posted 11 April 2017 22 minutes ago, ozleicester said: You really are a sucker for modern society arent you... retarded you say...what do they do you ask? How about NOT OVERBOOKING. Because they overbooked, THEY made everyone late and held everyone up (omg how terrible) How about THEY pay adequate compensation to have someone get off the plane How about, they dont put too many people on the plane in the first place. They didnt do those things because of money, greed and profit. They prattle on about customer service etc.. and the sheep believe them. Oh and as for sucker for modern society, don't be a ****ing hypocrite, you're watching a video that's gone viral on social media and getting up in arms about a perceived wrong doing without knowing the facts. That's the very definition of sucker for modern society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 11 April 2017 Share Posted 11 April 2017 Just now, leicsmac said: Perhaps not that extreme, but perhaps a little more forward planning in the future? You know, to save them the couple of mill the forthcoming lawsuit is going to cost them? Again, perhaps they could have 'auctioned' the space off - would end up costing them much, much less than this. If anyone gets sued it will be the aviation police - they were the ones who removed him... Now im not saying they were not overly aggressive . im just saying it was the police who removed him and not the airline. Going back to that school girl who was aggressively removed from her chair and almost body slammed out of it... it was all over the news.. It was the school and teacher who asked for her removal from the class... why was the policeman vilified in that case and not the school? and why does it seem to be the other way round in this instance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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