Facecloth Posted 14 April 2017 Share Posted 14 April 2017 39 minutes ago, Claridge said: De laet,Simpson,drinkwater Ok I'll change angle slightly. Granted those players came through Man Utd's youth system, but what use are they to Man Utd. They only have a handful of appearances for the club then moved on to get game time before eventually getting back to the top with another club. If Liam Moore eventually gets back to the premier league what use is that to us, we had to sell him and still had to buy Gibson for £30m, which is what we're talking about, not having to buy players because we produced them ourselves. Man Utd brought Paddy McNair through their youth system, he still plays at the top level, but not for them and they had to spend millions on the likes of Bailly and Rojo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Nacho Posted 14 April 2017 Share Posted 14 April 2017 Would be a class signing, exactly what we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchsntf Posted 14 April 2017 Share Posted 14 April 2017 11 hours ago, Aus Fox said: There will never be another class of 92 again. You cannot set that as a standard to compare yourself against. In reality, our academy has done ok, better than many, but not close to the top clubs. We have made over 30 million in transfer fees since 2000 from academy players, had many players play well in the top two divisions and players play International football. We currently regularly have 2 academy players in our match day squad, and could have another next season. Back to Gibson, quality signing and exactly what we need, a young English centre back with a left foot. Yes 30 mil is ott, but what player isn't overvalued these days, with the TV deal in place he is easily affordable and won't need time to settle in to a new league. gerrremmiinnnn Sad times...in days gone by our Academy was 2nd to none, with top teams trying to copy us. The manu class of 92 was the Pinnacle the cream in English football, but even then there were other good Youth players coming out of other clubs. Other fans will know better than I , last 15yrs in todays PL. What happened to the academies through the leagues??? WBA, Leicester, Stoke, Wolves, Derby, even Birmingham from the midlands, where other clubs were envious, then Everton and Southampton and for a small club in London Palace .. Would produce some good uns, then sell on. Chesterfield, Northampton, Burnley, Mansfield were feeder clubs. Its seems the infrastructure for youth developement has just imploded in the UK. Why even in various teams in Scotland, you Would see talent being picked up.Leicester brought down a many a great player... Its Seems PL creates more money, but it aint helping to find or Create UK top talent.!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuna Posted 14 April 2017 Share Posted 14 April 2017 Really pleased we are going after proven premier league players rather than wasting money and time on players from abroad that have to adapt and may turn out to never be good enough. Hopefully it signals a shift in transfer strategy. If we're serious about progressing we need to spend the money on these sorts of players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgfualol Posted 14 April 2017 Share Posted 14 April 2017 1 hour ago, Claridge said: Some idiot said that about keepers last year? Zieler was highly rated though. He's not lived up to the hype but we were conceding for fun anyway, until Ranieri left and Everton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4DD0gg Posted 14 April 2017 Share Posted 14 April 2017 1 hour ago, fuchsntf said: Sad times...in days gone by our Academy was 2nd to none, with top teams trying to copy us. The manu class of 92 was the Pinnacle the cream in English football, but even then there were other good Youth players coming out of other clubs. Other fans will know better than I , last 15yrs in todays PL. What happened to the academies through the leagues??? WBA, Leicester, Stoke, Wolves, Derby, even Birmingham from the midlands, where other clubs were envious, then Everton and Southampton and for a small club in London Palace .. Would produce some good uns, then sell on. Chesterfield, Northampton, Burnley, Mansfield were feeder clubs. Its seems the infrastructure for youth developement has just imploded in the UK. Why even in various teams in Scotland, you Would see talent being picked up.Leicester brought down a many a great player... Its Seems PL creates more money, but it aint helping to find or Create UK top talent.!!! when was our academy ever '2nd to none' Heskey & Lineker are the only ones who have gone on to be something really special. Joachim was ok King ok Chilwell yet to be convinced Mattock Stearman There are others but nothing that ever made us second to none Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted 14 April 2017 Share Posted 14 April 2017 Quality defender, but I think Calum Chambers has been equally as good for Boro this season, and would cost about half as much as well. Alfie Mawson looks like a solid defender too, and will want to stay in the Premier League if/when Swansea go down. Chambers or Jason Denayer alongside Mawson would be the two defensive signings I'd be looking to make this summer; both young, talented on the ball and adept at rightback, allowing the to replace Simpson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facecloth Posted 14 April 2017 Share Posted 14 April 2017 12 minutes ago, Aaron said: Quality defender, but I think Calum Chambers has been equally as good for Boro this season, and would cost about half as much as well. Alfie Mawson looks like a solid defender too, and will want to stay in the Premier League if/when Swansea go down. Chambers or Jason Denayer alongside Mawson would be the two defensive signings I'd be looking to make this summer; both young, talented on the ball and adept at rightback, allowing the to replace Simpson. Not a fan of Denayer, not sure what you're seeing there. Chambers has started 18 games, so just about half in the league this season. Needs to be starting every week for a team like Boro imo if we're gonna be adding them to our squad. Mawson would be a cracking signing though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmarteyAndChill Posted 14 April 2017 Share Posted 14 April 2017 23 minutes ago, Facecloth said: Not a fan of Denayer, not sure what you're seeing there. Chambers has started 18 games, so just about half in the league this season. Needs to be starting every week for a team like Boro imo if we're gonna be adding them to our squad. Mawson would be a cracking signing though. Chambers was playing along side Gibson week in week out but got injured(still injured) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facecloth Posted 14 April 2017 Share Posted 14 April 2017 2 minutes ago, AmarteyAndChill said: Chambers was playing along side Gibson week in week out but got injured(still injured) Had realised he got injured, just thought he'd been dropped, as usually happens with him. Starts well and tails off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted 14 April 2017 Share Posted 14 April 2017 18 minutes ago, Facecloth said: Had realised he got injured, just thought he'd been dropped, as usually happens with him. Starts well and tails off. His initial performances at Arsenal were top notch, including in the Champions League. Wenger is awful at developing young British talent though, as seen with Walcott, Wilshere, Ramsey, Ox.... Had he gone to Spurs under Pocchettino, who's somehow turned Walker and Rose into two of the best fullbacks in Europe, he'd be rated higher than Stones now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chico1958 Posted 14 April 2017 Share Posted 14 April 2017 30 million................ No chance The Little French Guy only cost 30 million or 32 And he's no Little French Guy .............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossman Blessed It Posted 14 April 2017 Share Posted 14 April 2017 3 hours ago, ramadaone said: I presume the Shawcross comment is some sort of joke ? Yeah, I mean the last experienced PL defender we got from Stoke was a complete mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymsey Posted 14 April 2017 Share Posted 14 April 2017 Why are highly-rated young English players so over-priced than non-English ones? For example, I thought Stones was excellent at Everton; but when he made the big-money move to Man City, his performances have somewhat deteriorated. No wonder British talent fails to make the grade as expected and perform even less well with their respective national side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 14 April 2017 Share Posted 14 April 2017 Pay £35m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr The Singh Posted 14 April 2017 Share Posted 14 April 2017 16 minutes ago, Realist Guy In The Room said: Pay £35m. For a realist, i was expecting alot higher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mease Posted 14 April 2017 Share Posted 14 April 2017 The money is relative, players become an asset as long as the keep value (or increase) the money is no real issue. If we got 5 seasons and sold him for 10 million would that be acceptable? either that or he could be with us for 10 seasons and the price would be a snip and he would be a club legend. The money spoken about is obscene granted but it's part of the game at the top level. I see him as a sound investment, represented England at most levels and has shown some real quality this year. This is the price of us moving on the quality of our squad, unless anyone else has any other ideas? we spent a lot on not very much last year, we know what we are getting with Gibson. Maybe a couple out will make this easier to swallow for some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramadaone Posted 14 April 2017 Share Posted 14 April 2017 1 hour ago, Bossman Blessed It said: Yeah, I mean the last experienced PL defender we got from Stoke was a complete mess. Great logic that means we should sign Pierre Pisspants from Le Harve ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 14 April 2017 Share Posted 14 April 2017 It was this time last season that people rubbished Keane and said we shouldn't spend £20/25m on him... that now looks a decent price for the bloke. It's a shit load of cash, but if he steps up and plays well then it doesn't matter. I don't think it would take that amount to get him though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 14 April 2017 Share Posted 14 April 2017 5 hours ago, Tuna said: Really pleased we are going after proven premier league players rather than wasting money and time on players from abroad that have to adapt and may turn out to never be good enough. Hopefully it signals a shift in transfer strategy. If we're serious about progressing we need to spend the money on these sorts of players. I think it signals what we wanted to do last season, it looked obvious we were going for people from our leagues for a while but couldn't get them done for whatever reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchsntf Posted 14 April 2017 Share Posted 14 April 2017 6 hours ago, m4DD0gg said: when was our academy ever '2nd to none' Heskey & Lineker are the only ones who have gone on to be something really special. Joachim was ok King ok Chilwell yet to be convinced Mattock Stearman There are others but nothing that ever made us second to none We have moved since the 60s quite a few players into first team, or further on to other professional teams From old 1st divi through to 4th.Not forgetting players we took on to develope them further. ACADEMIES groom for all levels hoping 3-6, from any playing generation, will stay.The nature of the beast, and quiet player handling, see some drift away, but they dont go on the tip, they carve out careers elsewhere Jordan, B.lee, Joachim Yes Lineker, Heskey, but a few more,who had cameos in City shirts. Fern, Partridge ,Waters, even over the time some Good goalkeepers . Since the end of the 80s, we cut down on Academy/junior investment. Oh I know its a long way back....Sjoberg, Cross, Stringfellow, Frank Mclintock, G.Banks, Shilton, Wallington, Some, who were bought like Banks, were investment, that made quicker impacts than expected. Those from the immediate above didnt have to go through the schoolboy Academy of the modern c era, but joined /signed knowing, they wouldnt be immediate 1st teamers, and would be developed through the ranks. My aunties friend ran one of the GH/bording Houses for young players, contracted for Leicester, but also took on Coventry and Forest hopefuls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 14 April 2017 Share Posted 14 April 2017 Waiting to see him in the next few games. Up until last game, boro had a big defensive shield in front of their back two. At hull, they changed it and got four put past them. let's see how he gets on in a more attack minded set up now that they have to go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmarteyAndChill Posted 14 April 2017 Share Posted 14 April 2017 Pontus Jansson and Harry Maguire are better and cheaper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramadaone Posted 14 April 2017 Share Posted 14 April 2017 39 minutes ago, AmarteyAndChill said: Pontus Jansson and Harry Maguire are better and cheaper Neither are better LEFT sided centre halves than Gibson and never will be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmarteyAndChill Posted 14 April 2017 Share Posted 14 April 2017 11 minutes ago, ramadaone said: Neither are better LEFT sided centre halves than Gibson and never will be Jansson and Maguire both play on the left on a two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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