Guest Posted 21 June 2017 Share Posted 21 June 2017 Is this the vid somebody else put up earlier in the week? So absolutely bang on it is unreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 21 June 2017 Share Posted 21 June 2017 2 hours ago, MattP said: Very interesting from Nigel Dodds, says in his speech the vote to leave the EU should be interpreted as one to leave the single market and customs union. Means DUP probably would vote for hard Brexit With the Tories gone from the Uni towns and Hoey still there for Labour that means is possible they get it through the house. The Scottish Tories could end up being the main opposition to it and with where they are based it could come down to whether fishing waters are a part of it. With Ken Clarke and the other moderate Tories not believing in Brexit at all? You're kidding yourself mate - 'hard' brexit is dead in the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 21 June 2017 Share Posted 21 June 2017 44 minutes ago, toddybad said: With Ken Clarke and the other moderate Tories not believing in Brexit at all? You're kidding yourself mate - 'hard' brexit is dead in the water. Apart from Morgan and Soubry along with him who else is left to vote against it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 21 June 2017 Share Posted 21 June 2017 6 minutes ago, MattP said: Apart from Morgan and Soubry along with him who else is left to vote against it? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/12/tory-labour-mps-plot-secret-deal-ensure-soft-brexit/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 21 June 2017 Share Posted 21 June 2017 6 minutes ago, toddybad said: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/12/tory-labour-mps-plot-secret-deal-ensure-soft-brexit/ Not got a subcription to that so I can't see the names, plus it's a week old. I'll give you Phillip Hammoon at a push, if the DUP can come on board you'll still need a few more. It the backbenchers are brutal it could be no deal. That's worse than hard Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 21 June 2017 Share Posted 21 June 2017 12 minutes ago, MattP said: Not got a subcription to that so I can't see the names, plus it's a week old. I'll give you Phillip Hammoon at a push, if the DUP can come on board you'll still need a few more. It the backbenchers are brutal it could be no deal. That's worse than hard Brexit. The Scottish Tories are named in there. There's always been a in split in the party I don't see that that will have gone away. Hammond, for example, will go along with Brexit but is clearly pushing TM towards a softer option. I don't think it's a case of no deal - there is no way that the government won't accept almost any deal in the end - it's a case of parliament pushing the government in terms of what we offer and what we accept during negotiations to be less like what you would term a 'real' brexit. You only need 4/5 Tories to not vote with the government and there's enough in the house to overturn them. They can't risk that as it will be game over in the middle of negotiations - it couldn't get much worse for the Tory party. They also can't risk pushing through a Brexit that only the hardline right wingers want by a wafer thin parliamentary majority. Brexit has the potential to kick the Tories into touch for a generation because of the tack they've taken. Whether you like it or not, most people see that they've planted themselves down as the hardline option. To mitigate the risk to the party, if nothing else, they have to get a version that other parties will accept so they can try to claim it as a national consensus and look to spread the blame if we all end up much poorer. For a party that's sole selling point is that they claim to be strong on the economy (I would argue that but that's still the claim) to wreck it via Brexit could spell the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guvnor Posted 21 June 2017 Share Posted 21 June 2017 7 hours ago, toddybad said: I think all of this and brexit itself are readily down to the difficult economic situation of the last few years. These sorts of things kick off when people are having a hard time of it. Unfortunately i can't see brexit making this any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 21 June 2017 Share Posted 21 June 2017 4 minutes ago, The Guvnor said: That's all we've got left really! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest MattP Posted 21 June 2017 Share Posted 21 June 2017 5 minutes ago, The Guvnor said: Piers Morgan will be along soon to demand you show some respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guvnor Posted 21 June 2017 Share Posted 21 June 2017 1 minute ago, MattP said: Piers Morgan will be along soon to demand you show some respect. Ha Ha , Piers is just a grumpy old twat because he doesn't get his little sleepy bye bye's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 21 June 2017 Share Posted 21 June 2017 10 minutes ago, MattP said: Piers Morgan will be along soon to demand you show some respect. 7 minutes ago, The Guvnor said: Ha Ha , Piers is just a grumpy old twat because he doesn't get his little sleepy bye bye's. Finally, something we can all agree on - Piers Morgan being a willy puller! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 21 June 2017 Share Posted 21 June 2017 Ok, we're now into a new Parliament and the article 50 period... proposal to stop this and the general election thread and start a new politics thread to cover the two? those for say "aye" those against say "noooooooo" Division! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 21 June 2017 Share Posted 21 June 2017 31 minutes ago, toddybad said: Finally, something we can all agree on - Piers Morgan being a willy puller! I think Piers Morgan being a massive helmet is the one and only common ground for most Britons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facecloth Posted 21 June 2017 Share Posted 21 June 2017 4 minutes ago, Strokes said: I think Piers Morgan being a massive helmet is the one and only common ground for most Britons. I think he's alright actually. I'm kidding he's a ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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