North Korea

[Wymsey]

Quite obvious with their numerous missile tests and concerns from America and China in particular, this country is starting to become aggressive and seemingly unwilling to co-operate positively with the US to try and calm the tensions.

 

What's the best way for this situation to diffuse (if that's possible) calmly and for international relations with this country to be good as it can be?

 

I can just see it escalating to the point where the US and Russia will get involved and hence some form of war starting.

[ramboacdc]

Just now, Wymeswold fox said:

Quite obvious with their numerous missile tests and concerns from America and China in particular, this country is starting to become aggressive and seemingly unwilling to co-operate positively with the US to try and calm the tensions.

 

What's the best way for this situation to diffuse (if that's possible) calmly and for international relations with this country to be good as it can be?

 

I can just see it escalating to the point where the US and Russia will get involved and hence some form of war starting.

they wont do anything. at this point they are a spoilt kid throwing their toys out the pram.they dont have nukes and they cant even get their missles to launch. 

 

they are not a threat. its a war of words most presidents stayed out of but captain "must have the last word" couldn't resist. 

[urban.spaceman]

For a second I thought we'd signed up to that bloody International Champions Cup bollocks again.

[Jon the Hat]

They arent a threat to the US mainland, but you cant ignore the 10k Americans in South Korea, nor that South Korea and Japan in are range of non nuclear missiles.  

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, ramboacdc said:

they wont do anything. at this point they are a spoilt kid throwing their toys out the pram.they dont have nukes and they cant even get their missles to launch. 

 

they are not a threat. its a war of words most presidents stayed out of but captain "must have the last word" couldn't resist. 

 

This, the "not having nukes" aside (they do, they just lack a truly efficient method of delivery).

 

They've been doing the same posturing for years but they know very well not to cross the line. More than anything, the guiding light of any good dictator is self-preservation and the leadership there knows pushing too far is the quickest way to lose everything. Why would they take that chance when they have the high life already?

 

The rest of the international community knows it, too. They also know that a war with NK would be extremely damaging, though victory would be an inevitability...so why take the chance of starting one?

 

The status quo suits everyone with a voice. Sadly the poor sods getting gulag'd and/or memoryholed up there don't have much of one.

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

They arent a threat to the US mainland, but you cant ignore the 10k Americans in South Korea, nor that South Korea and Japan in are range of non nuclear missiles.  

 

There's about 50k American citizens in SK as it happens - abour 30k military, and about 20k civilian - mostly ESL teachers. There's also a few thousand Brits over there too, almost all teachers.

 

Seoul in particular is within easy range of missilies and artillery - which is why if things did go awful the US and SK wouldn't bother to hold it beyond a purely token defence. They'd wait until the initial strike/advance was played out, and then counterattack conclusively.

[ithuriel]

Would expect China to slap down hard on NK if they became to much of a nuisance, they are a bit like a pet dog that is very noisy and barks a lot behind a fence that annoys the neighbours.

[spacemunky]

North Korea is my second favourite Korea. 

[benpicko]

Starting to become aggressive?

[Strokes]

1 hour ago, leicsmac said:

There's about 50k American citizens in SK as it happens - abour 30k military, and about 20k civilian - mostly ESL teachers. There's also a few thousand Brits over there too, almost all teachers.

 

No wonder NK want to nuke them 

[leicsmac]

1 minute ago, Strokes said:

No wonder NK want to nuke them 

I've no idea what you're talking about. Brutal authoritarian regimes are pretty keen on teaching and teachers...so long as they have the right kind of 're-education' themselves first.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

I have always maintained that North Korea is the biggest threat to world peace.

 

 

Something pretty drastic needs to be done about them, before they can perfect their long range missiles.

[leicsmac]

8 minutes ago, DANGEROUS TIGER said:

I have always maintained that North Korea is the biggest threat to world peace.

 

 

Something pretty drastic needs to be done about them, before they can perfect their long range missiles.

Like what, exactly?

 

And what makes you think they want to use them when the only consequence of it will be losing everything?

 

(And please don't say just because "he's crazy". Even murderous dictators are driven by a need to maintain their power.)

[MC Prussian]

North Korea is one of the few remnants of times past. A relic that desperately needs to illuminate itself to remind the rest of the world that it still exists.

 

The cult surrounding the Great Leader has led to a world where time stands still (for most).

Look at the world map at night and you see how advanced the country is today.

 

The country is stricken with poverty, corruption, sexual abuse and suffers from human trafficking (Chinese women brought to North Korea especially), random incarceration, horrible labour camps, power and food shortages, an all-emcompassing indoctrination (starting at an early school age) and people spying on each other on a regular basis (even within the same family).

[bovril]

2 hours ago, Strokes said:

No wonder NK want to nuke them 

EFL teachers would probably survive thermo-nuclear war.

[Dr The Singh]

1 hour ago, MC Prussian said:

North Korea is one of the few remnants of times past. A relic that desperately needs to illuminate itself to remind the rest of the world that it still exists.

 

The cult surrounding the Great Leader has led to a world where time stands still (for most).

Look at the world map at night and you see how advanced the country is today.

 

The country is stricken with poverty, corruption, sexual abuse and suffers from human trafficking (Chinese women brought to North Korea especially), random incarceration, horrible labour camps, power and food shortages, an all-emcompassing indoctrination (starting at an early school age) and people spying on each other on a regular basis (even within the same family).

Sounds like India and half of the south Asia subcontinent

[MC Prussian]

3 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

Sounds like India and half of the south Asia subcontinent

Watch what you're writing.

 

Knock knock.

[Dr The Singh]

1 minute ago, MC Prussian said:

Watch what you're writing.

 

Knock knock.

Who's there?

[MC Prussian]

Just now, Dr The Singh said:

Who's there?

It's your wife. You've just won a one-way trip to Pyongyang.

[Finnegan]

The Chinese like having North Korea in the region to keep Japan and South Korea on their toes and to troll the fvck out of them if we're being honest.

 

But the second they became anything other than light relief to Beijing, they'd roll in in a heartbeat and North Korea know that.

 

China's quest for global power is one of diplomacy, trade, money, influence. They're not going to let NK ruin that but equally while the West views China as being the holders of NK's leash then they've got a very solid hand.

Edited 18 April 2017 by Finnegan

[Lionator]

These are not a threat, if anything ever kicks off it'll be because the American's pushed them beyond brinkmanship. Obviously DPRK having nuclear capabilites is concerning however the regime will inevitably collapse in the next 20 years anyway.

 

It made me laugh yesterday that BBC news did a segment on North Korea followed up by a segment on mental health, seemingly completely oblivious to the fact that media scaremongering has a detrimental effect on average Joe's anxiety levels.

[boots60]

Want to find out what it is really like to live, work & play in North Korea?

You do not have to go there to do this. Just read Orwells 1984. All will be revealed.

[Benguin]

Invade and liberate

[m4DD0gg]

The scary thing is this regime have nothing to loose they are that far gone. 

 

They have no chance of perfecting solid fuel ICMBs capable of delivering a WMD pay load any time soon BUT that is the ambition they are striving for above all else.

 

Once the scales tip so far China will put the smack down as they do not want to loose their biggest customer and be seen to supporting a nut job.

 

I think when the regime does collapse....and it will, we will uncover some Nazi style concentration camp shit the likes of which the world has never seen.

 

I have read some interesting books on NK where a lot of the locals truly believe the leadership are actually gods.

[the fox]

They need to be stopped, but the question is, what was the last time america didn't have an agenda in such things? They always put that "we want peace" facade just to get what they want (notably the middle east and even Vietnam) and actually make matters worse, millions on top of millions were killed because of America and modern terrorism can be tracked back to them,   condemning regimes then gassing and killing civilians and calling it "collateral damage" while taking great offense when Americans get the same outcome, nuking and gassing humans like they were rats and then talking about "how cruel other nations are", gassed millions in nam and nuked Japan (pics are too graphic for this forum) and now they find kindness in their heart to help the people. Hypocrisy at its finest. 

 

I'm telling you, america won't have a problem with sacrificing millions of lives to get what they want, I want this "NK" thing to end but i'm not sure that letting uncle Sam lead the way gonna do much good for the world