Finnegan Posted 12 May 2017 Share Posted 12 May 2017 8 minutes ago, Fox92 said: I like Shinji and the ground he covers but what exactly is the "Okazaki role". None of the other good teams have a role where the number 10 just pushes on every opposition player. Yeah and nobody else won the league last year. Nobody else plays tiki taka but Barcelona, it still helped them dominate European football through nearly all of Xavi/Iniesta's prime. Who cares what everyone else does? The "Shinji role" is vital to how we play. We can change the way we play, sure. We can keep the ball more, sure. But we probably need more actual ball playing midfielders for that. Someone like Gylfi Sigurdsson, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lesteban Posted 12 May 2017 Share Posted 12 May 2017 Yes, we need a CAM, and yes Siggy is superb at what he does, but is he really the right type of player for us? He isn't exactly dynamic, fast-paced, or hard working. His quality, especially on dead balls, is unquestionable though. Just think we could find someone more suited to our style. We lose a huge amount of work and running by switching out Okazaki (who generally plays in that role for us now) and replacing him with Siggy. But then he brings other qualities that we lack. Other PL experienced CAMs that may be available include Barkley and Rooney... Not really sold on either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 12 May 2017 Share Posted 12 May 2017 3 minutes ago, Finnegan said: Yeah and nobody else won the league last year. Nobody else plays tiki taka but Barcelona, it still helped them dominate European football through nearly all of Xavi/Iniesta's prime. Who cares what everyone else does? The "Shinji role" is vital to how we play. We can change the way we play, sure. We can keep the ball more, sure. But we probably need more actual ball playing midfielders for that. Someone like Gylfi Sigurdsson, for example. Oh I agree... It is vital to how we play and I've said many times before on here how better we are with Okazaki. I just don't know when we get to a point where we want to get rid and bring in a new player and that was my point. I've never seen Sigurdsson as this sort of player but as people have stated prior he obviously does a lot of running. But even with that running I've never seen anything like what Okazaki/Vardy do in this Country before. Those two are superb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Fox Posted 12 May 2017 Share Posted 12 May 2017 According to the ever reliable SKYSPORTS Everton and Southampton are interested £25m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmarteyAndChill Posted 12 May 2017 Share Posted 12 May 2017 12 minutes ago, Lesteban said: Yes, we need a CAM, and yes Siggy is superb at what he does, but is he really the right type of player for us? He isn't exactly dynamic, fast-paced, or hard working. His quality, especially on dead balls, is unquestionable though. Just think we could find someone more suited to our style. We lose a huge amount of work and running by switching out Okazaki (who generally plays in that role for us now) and replacing him with Siggy. But then he brings other qualities that we lack. Other PL experienced CAMs that may be available include Barkley and Rooney... Not really sold on either. How can you say he's not hard working? He covered every blade of grass against Everton and Manchester United. This 'he dosent work hard' is such a myth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovejoy Posted 12 May 2017 Share Posted 12 May 2017 For anyone not sure about Sigurdsson's work rate, just check out footage of how he performed in Iceland's 4-4-2 in the summer. Absolutely outstanding in the deeper midfield role and put some real shifts in. Imo would be a brilliant signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OllieLodge96 Posted 12 May 2017 Share Posted 12 May 2017 28 minutes ago, Lesteban said: Yes, we need a CAM, and yes Siggy is superb at what he does, but is he really the right type of player for us? He isn't exactly dynamic, fast-paced, or hard working. His quality, especially on dead balls, is unquestionable though. Just think we could find someone more suited to our style. We lose a huge amount of work and running by switching out Okazaki (who generally plays in that role for us now) and replacing him with Siggy. But then he brings other qualities that we lack. Other PL experienced CAMs that may be available include Barkley and Rooney... Not really sold on either. Not hard working....... Have you read this thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamafox Posted 12 May 2017 Share Posted 12 May 2017 Bring him in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4DD0gg Posted 12 May 2017 Share Posted 12 May 2017 Be the next Keane scenario and he will end up at Everton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxes_rule1978 Posted 12 May 2017 Share Posted 12 May 2017 Yes please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clever Fox Posted 12 May 2017 Share Posted 12 May 2017 Barkley's decision at Everton might make a difference as to how serious Everton are. I suspect Koeman want's him but is looking for a way to offload Barkley and not get blamed by the Fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les-tah Posted 12 May 2017 Share Posted 12 May 2017 When did Barkley become so good? If he leaves everton what next he wont command a place in the top 6? Everton is about his level at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 12 May 2017 Share Posted 12 May 2017 4 minutes ago, les-tah said: When did Barkley become so good? If he leaves everton what next he wont command a place in the top 6? Everton is about his level at the moment. Everton are 7th... really not that big a difference... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les-tah Posted 12 May 2017 Share Posted 12 May 2017 1 minute ago, MPH said: Everton are 7th... really not that big a difference... really? its a pretty big jump at the moment??? Name a team hes a dead cert starter in the current top 6 then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 12 May 2017 Share Posted 12 May 2017 Just now, les-tah said: really? its a pretty big jump at the moment??? Name a team hes a dead cert starter in the current top 6 then No. Are you feeling ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry96 Posted 12 May 2017 Share Posted 12 May 2017 Would be perfect been wanting us to sign him for a while now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les-tah Posted 12 May 2017 Share Posted 12 May 2017 1 minute ago, MPH said: No. Are you feeling ok? ye mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 12 May 2017 Share Posted 12 May 2017 26 minutes ago, les-tah said: ye mate The reality is that for each top 6 side only a few of their players is a dead cert starter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weller54 Posted 12 May 2017 Share Posted 12 May 2017 Love him here... But realistically can't see it happening! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmarteyAndChill Posted 12 May 2017 Share Posted 12 May 2017 Should have signed Gylfi, Micheal Keane and Idrissa Gana Gueye last summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 12 May 2017 Share Posted 12 May 2017 2 hours ago, AmarteyAndChill said: Should have signed Gylfi, Micheal Keane and Idrissa Gana Gueye last summer This 1000% we would have got them then we won't now gylfi going to Everton according to club sources (could be a tool to get Barclay to stay but I think they are happy for him to leave and to take the profit) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerard Posted 12 May 2017 Share Posted 12 May 2017 5 minutes ago, st albans fox said: This 1000% we would have got them then we won't now gylfi going to Everton according to club sources (could be a tool to get Barclay to stay but I think they are happy for him to leave and to take the profit) I'm not so sure Barkley goes, one year left on his contract and he might fancy seeing it out and go on a Bosman next season. Like Keane the selling price is about £25m and both have a year left. If I was them I'd be seriously looking at seeing my contract out and taking a big signing on fee next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted 12 May 2017 Share Posted 12 May 2017 Disagraceful how we dealt (or didn't more to the point) with transfers last summer. Our strongest ever position, had most to offer and what did we do with it? Become weaker!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmarteyAndChill Posted 12 May 2017 Share Posted 12 May 2017 1 minute ago, Gerard said: I'm not so sure Barkley goes, one year left on his contract and he might fancy seeing it out and go on a Bosman next season. Like Keane the selling price is about £25m and both have a year left. If I was them I'd be seriously looking at seeing my contract out and taking a big signing on fee next year. He won't play. Koeman will rot him in the reserves. Barkley taking the piss if he dosent sign and stays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerard Posted 12 May 2017 Share Posted 12 May 2017 4 minutes ago, AmarteyAndChill said: He won't play. Koeman will rot him in the reserves. Barkley taking the piss if he dosent sign and stays. Maybe you're right but Everton have a Europa League campaign and they'd be cutting off their nose to spite their face by not playing him. After seeing how we did against our five European opponents I would expect English teams to go deep in the Europa League and Everton could play 60-70 games next season. It would be interesting how they reacted to Barkley if he didn't sign a contract, I've read they've only offered him £70k a week which doesn't put a lot of value on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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