A New Political Movement or Uprising?

[Sharpe's Fox]

The yoof has gone from lazy yobs who don't vote to silly idealists who might vote to dangerous militants who will vote. Shock if you engage people in a constructive way they'll back you. While people can't buy houses until their 35 and are seeing wages go down in real terms this won't change, either, because new Tories are only made when people get assets and security.

[Mike Oxlong]

12 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said:

Anyone who drinks Starbucks, uses Facebook and has a iPhone is nothing more than a phoney socialist at best. If you really want action stop using that shit and funding the big corporations who pay no tax in this country. Actions.......

 

Seeing Lilly Allen in her hideous designer clothes, spewing shit, clutching a Starbucks and taking a selfie is everything wrong with the modern world. How much has she contributed?

This 

 

 

 

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[ScouseFox]

7 minutes ago, MattP said:

Who will they turn on when they realise he can't do 10% of what he says and as always, runs out of other people's money?

 

Revolutions never work out well for anyone except the leaders.

 

I have a feeling he'll get to be PM one day but it will collapse within months - every generation has to make and then learn from their mistakes when they go for idealism rather than realism, the youth now are no different.

who knows. the folk and generation who have been treated like arse probably don't care. nobody is doing anything for them now, at least it'll be fun trying to make a change even if in the end it might not work out as perfectly as they want. 

 

no point just sitting back and accepting the tories just looking after themselves and their own, there definitely won't be any change for the better then, will there? 

[Lovejoy]

Corbyn is destined to be PM, the tide turn from him being mocked to what's happening now is remarkable. If the Tories last to 2022 on current form they will lose.

 

What will be telling is what will happen after that. After the past few weeks I cba to go into my own feelings, but the inevitable Corbyn led government that awaits will certainly be interesting, could shape a generation.

[Voll Blau]

1 hour ago, Webbo said:

2 Months ago everyone thought Corbyn was a joke and the tories were going to win a landslide. He promises middle class kids free tuition and all of a sudden he's the new messiah.

 

Who were presumably too young to vote at this election?

[Webbo]

Just now, Voll Blau said:

Who were presumably too young to vote at this election?

I think it's still legal to vote at 18, their parents would vote for that too.

[Guest MattP]

3 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

The yoof has gone from lazy yobs who don't vote to silly idealists who might vote to dangerous militants who will vote. Shock if you engage people in a constructive way they'll back you. While people can't buy houses until their 35 and are seeing wages go down in real terms this won't change, either, because new Tories are only made when people get assets and security.

Did he engage them? 

 

Or just promise them free stuff?

 

2 minutes ago, ScouseFox said:

who knows. the folk and generation who have been treated like arse probably don't care. nobody is doing anything for them now, at least it'll be fun trying to make a change even if in the end it might not work out as perfectly as they want. 

 

no point just sitting back and accepting the tories just looking after themselves and their own, there definitely won't be any change for the better then, will there? 

Fun?

 

Same sort of fun the Greeks are having now?

[Guest Foxin_mad]

7 minutes ago, ScouseFox said:

who knows. the folk and generation who have been treated like arse probably don't care. nobody is doing anything for them now, at least it'll be fun trying to make a change even if in the end it might not work out as perfectly as they want. 

 

no point just sitting back and accepting the tories just looking after themselves and their own, there definitely won't be any change for the better then, will there? 

I'm not sure it will be fun when the money actually does run out. We have envious militant momentum members running around taking stuff the believe they should have it would be like a 3rd world country with mob rule. Again I urge people to read up on Venezuela one of the largest oil reserves in the world, now bankrupt given much praise by Corbyn and McDonnell for its socialist and economic policies.

 

7 minutes ago, Lovejoy said:

Corbyn is destined to be PM, the tide turn from him being mocked to what's happening now is remarkable. If the Tories last to 2022 on current form they will lose.

 

What will be telling is what will happen after that. After the past few weeks I cba to go into my own feelings, but the inevitable Corbyn led government that awaits will certainly be interesting, could shape a generation.

Could also **** up 2 or 3 generations!!

 

I will be extremely pissed if the youth vote causes me to lose everything I've worked hard over 20 years for.

[Voll Blau]

1 hour ago, Webbo said:

I think it's still legal to vote at 18, their parents would vote for that too.

I think you're grossly overestimating the amount of electoral power that present 18 and 19-year-olds have.

 

The vast majority of people in favour of that policy are highly unlikely to personally benefit from it.

[leicsmac]

4 minutes ago, MattP said:

Did he engage them? 

 

Or just promise them free stuff?

 

 

 

It's funny how quite a few on the right side of the spectrum are all in favour of 'bitter reality' when it comes to economics (and tbf I can see why), but on various other matters they are all for ignoring clear evidence on the matter.

[Webbo]

2 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

I think you're grossly overestimating the amount of electoral power that present 18 and 19-year-olds have.

 

The vast majority of people in favour of that policy are highly unlikely to personally benefit from it.

The promise to write off the debt of people who have graduated?

[Guest Foxin_mad]

Its one reason Labour want to lower voting age to 16, a silly move.

[Lionator]

3 minutes ago, MattP said:

Did he engage them? 

 

Or just promise them free stuff?

He's engaged me, a 22 year old. I've just left university, I'm against tuition fee increases from personal experience of other students and it wouldn't benefit me now anyway. However, for me here's a man who's honest, who's ambitious and is different. I've grown up with pointless wars (Iraq, Libya, Syria) and posh people who can't connect with me. If he gets power, it may not work out and my generation would have to deal with the consequences, something that I now feel is worth the risk, I feel that we're at a point where change needs to happen. I'm walking through Leicester city centre this afternoon and there's homeless people everywhere, it's disgusting just how many people have been left behind by the current regime. This weeks events are the most startling example yet. Jeremy Corbyn offers hope, ambition and positivity, he is the man.

[ScouseFox]

Just now, MattP said:

Did he engage them? 

 

Or just promise them free stuff?

 

Fun?

 

Same sort of fun the Greeks are having now?

he certainly engaged them. ive never voted in an election before (unless the referendum counts) but was compelled to vote this time around. im not a student, have never been a student, have never been to hospital or had a doctor's appointment since i could walk, im not sure he'd have got me anything for free, really. some people massively need help and there's only one party/leader who would even consider giving it to them. and it's not the one who's more concerned about shooting foxes than making people's actual homes safe enough for human habitation. 

 

 

at the end of the day nobody knows what the future holds, but right now for a massive proportion of the youth their future is being shaped by ghouls like theresa may and brexit voting old people. things can only get better for the youth of today. 

 

 

Just now, Foxin_mad said:

Its one reason Labour want to lower voting age to 16, a silly move.

it's not a silly idea at all. teach kids about the real world in school and let them decide for themselves the type of life they want to live. i agree it's silly to suddenly open up a vote to some sweaty kids immediately but if we educate them then why shouldn't they have as much of a say as a 50 year old who already owns his own house and also wants to just look after his own interests? 

[Guest MattP]

1 minute ago, Lionator said:

He's engaged me, a 22 year old. I've just left university, I'm against tuition fee increases from personal experience of other students and it wouldn't benefit me now anyway. However, for me here's a man who's honest, who's ambitious and is different. I've grown up with pointless wars (Iraq, Libya, Syria) and posh people who can't connect with me. If he gets power, it may not work out and my generation would have to deal with the consequences, something that I now feel is worth the risk, I feel that we're at a point where change needs to happen. I'm walking through Leicester city centre this afternoon and there's homeless people everywhere, it's disgusting just how many people have been left behind by the current regime. This weeks events are the most startling example yet. Jeremy Corbyn offers hope, ambition and positivity, he is the man.

Fair enough, if you think it's worth the risk then go for it.

 

If he does win out I hope he does well, I love my country.

[Voll Blau]

1 hour ago, Webbo said:

The promise to write off the debt of people who have graduated?

Yeah, fair enough. Personally don't see that part of the policy going through, but then I don't think that many people would gripe if it proved too expensive to do so. Certainly wouldn't bother me, but it'd be great if kids in the future weren't put off by fees as is currently the case now.

 

1 hour ago, Foxin_mad said:

Its one reason Labour want to lower voting age to 16, a silly move.

Yeah, heaven forbid people old enough to leave school, work full-time, serve in the nation's armed forces and pay tax be allowed the right to have a say on who's in charge.

[Lionator]

Just now, MattP said:

Fair enough, if you think it's worth the risk then go for it.

 

If he does win out I hope he does well, I love my country.

I'll be quite willing to hold my hands up and apologise in 10/15 years if it goes wrong but I just don't see what other options we have at the minute. Absolutely nothing else appeals, we're in an absolute mess.  

 

 

[leicsmac]

The idealist in me says that something has to give.

 

The cynic in me has read about it all before and thinks it won't.

[Finnaldo]

5 minutes ago, Lionator said:

I'll be quite willing to hold my hands up and apologise in 10/15 years if it goes wrong but I just don't see what other options we have at the minute. Absolutely nothing else appeals, we're in an absolute mess.  

 

 

 

This.

 

Also on another note, isn't it funny how those who enjoyed pointing out Jeremy Corbyn's early support were green haired foaming at the mouth, screaming hard left feminists and Marxists who say around screaming how terrible 'the man' is, are now the ones sat around screaming how terrible the yoofs are for ruining everything?

 

Careful chaps, you might be pulling out the placards and megaphones soon  

[Sharpe's Fox]

13 minutes ago, MattP said:

Did he engage them? 

 

Or just promise them free stuff?

People don't respond to electoral bribes or threats on a case by case basis they engage when you give them a narrative which they identify with. If Jeremy succeeds against all the odds it'll be because his vision is most in line with the electorate not because of giveaways and bribes.

[The Guvnor]

Apologies as I Haven't read the whole thread John McDonnell calling for 1 million to march through London to force a new election. You see this is what happens when the youngsters get involved , all the Tories have to do is set up a few marquees with Xbox's in them a few hundred yards into the march hand out some free monster energy drinks and that's it, they  won't proceed any further 

[Finnaldo]

Just now, Sharpe's Fox said:

People don't respond to electoral bribes or threats on a case by case basis they engage when you give them a narrative which they identify with. If Jeremy succeeds against all the odds it'll be because his vision is most in line with the electorate not because of giveaways and bribes.

 

Again this, even those who aren't necessarily traditional Labour voters (I know a few) will vote for Jezza on the basis that they're tired of the Tories squeezing all they can out of society for personal gain. This is a blacklash against as well as a win for Corbyn.

[Thracian]

1 hour ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:

 

This is over dramatic... but there's been a bubbling of a revolution for a while and the French Revolution really kicked off following a 'class incident'. 

 

Not for one moment suggesting a commoner army is suddenly going to go round expelling the Queen and other wealthy land owners and reclaim them for people, but there is clearly the need for some kind of political upheaval.  

 

Corbyn's already been talking about reclaiming property so the tower block fire survivors can be housed and that's exactly how I read the bloke and all he's stood for over the years - including being anti-monarchy for all the importance of monarchy-connected tourism to our economy.

 

Class war and politics of envy is exactly what he stands for rather than government for all the citizens of our nation.

 

We've seen some consequences if his outlook in the past, with the brain drain..but also in other countries like Russia if you read about the Bolshevik revolution and the impact of people like Stalin and Lenin. .

 

Although so predictably Corbynesque,  the housing idea's particularly ironic at this time given the recent publicity concerning the upcoming of extremely fast-build pre-fabricated housing which can be erected in short time and to a fairly durable standard.

 

But the one idea would support business and be a promising up-to-the-minute experimental response, while the other would be an opportunistic,  philosophical statement by one so called class warrior against the class he seems to loathe (for all he draws a substantial six figure salary himself)  but hardly a great advert for inclusive rather than selective government.  

 

But enough of my thoughts - what kind of "political upheaval" do you advocate? 

 

 

[Finnaldo]

1 minute ago, The Guvnor said:

Apologies as I Haven't read the whole thread John McDonnell calling for 1 million to march through London to force a new election. You see this is what happens when the youngsters get involved , all the Tories have to do is set up a few marquees with Xbox's in them a few hundred yards into the march hand out some free monster energy drinks and that's it, they  won't proceed any further 

 

Thats the attitude most had about the young vote before they started screaming about how it wasn't fair when they actually voted!  

[Sharpe's Fox]

5 minutes ago, Finnaldo said:

 

Again this, even those who aren't necessarily traditional Labour voters (I know a few) will vote for Jezza on the basis that they're tired of the Tories squeezing all they can out of society for personal gain. This is a blacklash against as well as a win for Corbyn.

Politics goes through cycles. People saw what you're just described in 1979 when unions were holding the economy ransom and they voted for an ideologue in Thatcher for change. Some of the older gents in here remind me of the flailing left in the early 80's who didn't realise they were being left behind, which is ironic when they were the ones who probably voted for Mrs Thatcher and had the most to gain in her age of aspiration.