leicsmac Posted 23 February 2018 Share Posted 23 February 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Webbo said: This is from a new group, briefing for brexit. I believe it was originally a letter to the Times but it's re printed here http://brexitcentral.com/fellow-academics-must-stop-pushing-dishonest-anti-brexit-propaganda/ Yet again it might be melodramatic posturing to gain sympathy but I find it believable. It could be, I certainly think the idea of losing your career over such things is melodramatic. And, though the scientific (rather than academic as a whole) community relies on consensus, questioning always occurs and echoing happens only when evidence for things becomes sufficiently incontrovertible to be sure (at least, for the time being). However, as these views exist and are being broadcast, there should be a dialogue involving the community assuring that this is categorically not the case (which it most assuredly is not) - if only to allay any fears that might be arising and to stop various parties from using that fear for their own purposes. Edited 23 February 2018 by leicsmac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 23 February 2018 Share Posted 23 February 2018 50 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: I suspect there's a few British people around who disagree with the idea that you know what's best for them just because you're also British. You’re misrepresenting his post but I suspect it’ll go unnoticed by the holier than thous in here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogstanley Posted 23 February 2018 Share Posted 23 February 2018 6 minutes ago, Strokes said: You’re misrepresenting his post but I suspect it’ll go unnoticed by the holier than thous in here. Hi mate. How am I? Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 23 February 2018 Share Posted 23 February 2018 9 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: Hi mate. How am I? Cheers He never said he knew best because he was British. He we know what’s best for Britain, as in all of us. Whereas you made singular to belittle his point, cheeky. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogstanley Posted 23 February 2018 Share Posted 23 February 2018 2 minutes ago, Strokes said: He never said he knew best because he was British. He we know what’s best for Britain, as in all of us. Whereas you made singular to belittle his point, cheeky. He said we (as in British people) "know what's best for us" (again as in British people), ergo "I know what's best for other British people, because I am also British". Hmmm, let me think, no you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donut Posted 23 February 2018 Share Posted 23 February 2018 I watched some youtube videos and it doesnt seem like there is a clear negotiating stance for brexit. Why cant it be made clear what the position is? Also when labour say "nothings off the table" that doesnt help either. I want to know whats ON the table Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogstanley Posted 23 February 2018 Share Posted 23 February 2018 1 minute ago, Donut said: I watched some youtube videos and it doesnt seem like there is a clear negotiating stance for brexit. Why cant it be made clear what the position is? Also when labour say "nothings off the table" that doesnt help either. I want to know whats ON the table May's negotiating stance so far has been not to have one, but pretend like she does. Then when the EU makes a suggestion, accept it without question. I think that's likely to continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 23 February 2018 Share Posted 23 February 2018 1 minute ago, Rogstanley said: He said we (as in British people) "know what's best for us" (again as in British people), ergo "I know what's best for other British people, because I am also British". Hmmm, let me think, no you don't. If I say Britain or the British are good at something, it doesn’t necessarily mean I personally am good at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajthefox Posted 23 February 2018 Share Posted 23 February 2018 Fair bit of criticism of Webbo from some glass houses in here. It takes two to tango and Webbo isn't arguing with himself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl the Llama Posted 23 February 2018 Share Posted 23 February 2018 Just now, Strokes said: If I say Britain or the British are good at something, it doesn’t necessarily mean I personally am good at it. Following that logic does a person in London know what's best for someone in Burnley based on life in London? Should we make individual city states to overcome the obvious answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ealingfox Posted 23 February 2018 Share Posted 23 February 2018 (edited) Can we leave the silly point about general elections? Given that you don't have to be British to vote in a general election and not everybody British votes anyway. Edited 23 February 2018 by ealingfox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 23 February 2018 Share Posted 23 February 2018 8 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: He said we (as in British people) "know what's best for us" (again as in British people), ergo "I know what's best for other British people, because I am also British". Hmmm, let me think, no you don't. Boy when facecloth sees how you've misrepresented my views you'll be in for an ear bashing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted 23 February 2018 Share Posted 23 February 2018 3 minutes ago, ajthefox said: Fair bit of criticism of Webbo from some glass houses in here. It takes two to tango and Webbo isn't arguing with himself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogstanley Posted 23 February 2018 Share Posted 23 February 2018 4 minutes ago, Strokes said: If I say Britain or the British are good at something, it doesn’t necessarily mean I personally am good at it. If you say “we British are good at sewing”, most people would reasonably expect you to be good at sewing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 23 February 2018 Share Posted 23 February 2018 Just now, Izzy Muzzett said: Honestly mate I don't care I give it out, I'll take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogstanley Posted 23 February 2018 Share Posted 23 February 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Webbo said: Boy when facecloth sees how you've misrepresented my views you'll be in for an ear bashing. When let’s summon @Facecloth to be the judge here then shall we, hmm? Facecloth, did Webbo imply that he knows what’s best for other British people on the basis that he is also British or not? Edited 23 February 2018 by Rogstanley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 23 February 2018 Share Posted 23 February 2018 1 minute ago, Rogstanley said: When let’s summon @Facecloth to be the judge here than shall we, hmm? Facecloth, did Webbo imply that he knows what’s best for other British people on the basis of him also being British or not? Knowing how fair minded and impartial he is I'm sure he'll answer in a totally honest way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogstanley Posted 23 February 2018 Share Posted 23 February 2018 1 minute ago, Webbo said: Knowing how fair minded and impartial he is I'm sure he'll answer in a totally honest way Getting your excuses in early I see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 23 February 2018 Share Posted 23 February 2018 Just now, Rogstanley said: Getting your excuses in early I see Yeah because I really thought he cared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 23 February 2018 Share Posted 23 February 2018 10 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: Following that logic does a person in London know what's best for someone in Burnley based on life in London? Should we make individual city states to overcome the obvious answer? Yes I would say a man from London is well enough placed to make that call. He would have lived a similar culture, under the same laws for enough time to be able to adequately represent him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donut Posted 23 February 2018 Share Posted 23 February 2018 2 minutes ago, Strokes said: Yes I would say a man from London is well enough placed to make that call. He would have lived a similar culture, under the same laws for enough time to be able to adequately represent him. But only if they agreed though because peoples opinions on everything differ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 23 February 2018 Share Posted 23 February 2018 1 minute ago, Strokes said: Yes I would say a man from London is well enough placed to make that call. He would have lived a similar culture, under the same laws for enough time to be able to adequately represent him. Certainly someone from London would have a better idea of life in Burnley than someone from Southern Italy or rural Bulgaria. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 23 February 2018 Share Posted 23 February 2018 It's been quite a good day on here, there are a couple of bores but, on the whole, I've enjoyed the cut and thrust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted 23 February 2018 Share Posted 23 February 2018 My Dad has lived in both Burnley and London is his time and apparently they're almost identical places 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifted*fox Posted 23 February 2018 Share Posted 23 February 2018 1 minute ago, Webbo said: It's been quite a good day on here, there are a couple of bores but, on the whole, I've enjoyed the cut and thrust. you got gunned fam but this is the new Webbo that loves some banter, nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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