Guest MattP Posted 13 July 2018 Share Posted 13 July 2018 5 minutes ago, toddybad said: You didn't read my response to Izzy did you? I'm not interested. Is the thread, in your opinion, an accurate representation of where the Tories currently are? If not why not and, if so, where do they go from here? Nope. Do you think it's accurate that in the main Labour voters are lazy, scrounging bastards, dope smoking, economic illiterates? Just throwing it out there for discussion as I've had a few jars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Posted 13 July 2018 Share Posted 13 July 2018 Does anyone else find it strange we basically have to pick a side, left, right, conservative, liberal.. This isn’t football, why do we have to stick by a side blindly. There are many out there that will stick by one party and always vote for them. Yes we can vote for other smaller parties, but we always get told (from the beginning of young adulthood) that these parties never win so there’s no point voting for them. Identity politics seems to be rife, especially around voting time. Sorry if this was random. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymsey Posted 13 July 2018 Share Posted 13 July 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Shane said: Does anyone else find it strange we basically have to pick a side, left, right, conservative, liberal.. This isn’t football, why do we have to stick by a side blindly. There are many out there that will stick by one party and always vote for them. Yes we can vote for other smaller parties, but we always get told (from the beginning of young adulthood) that these parties never win so there’s no point voting for them. Identity politics seems to be rife, especially around voting time. Sorry if this was random. It's not really, considering this thread.. Edited 13 July 2018 by Wymeswold fox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 13 July 2018 Share Posted 13 July 2018 1 minute ago, Shane said: Does anyone else find it strange we basically have to pick a side, left, right, conservative, liberal.. This isn’t football, why do we have to stick by a side blindly. There are many out there that will stick by one party and always vote for them. Yes we can vote for other smaller parties, but we always get told (from the beginning of young adulthood) that these parties never win so there’s no point voting for them. Identity politics seems to be rife, especially around voting time. Sorry if this was random. It’s swing voters that hold the power in elections, I don’t see why anyone would only vote for any particular party. You might as well not have an opinion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 13 July 2018 Share Posted 13 July 2018 11 minutes ago, Shane said: Does anyone else find it strange we basically have to pick a side, left, right, conservative, liberal.. This isn’t football, why do we have to stick by a side blindly. There are many out there that will stick by one party and always vote for them. Yes we can vote for other smaller parties, but we always get told (from the beginning of young adulthood) that these parties never win so there’s no point voting for them. Identity politics seems to be rife, especially around voting time. Sorry if this was random. Pretty much. Way I see it, we're all human and one day it would be nice to get over the tribal instinct that makes us pick sides and (more damagingly) want to bash the "other" over the head with a rock. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted 13 July 2018 Share Posted 13 July 2018 1 minute ago, leicsmac said: Way I see it, we're all human and one day it would be nice to get over the tribal instinct that makes us pick sides and (more damagingly) want to bash the "other" over the head with a rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy Posted 13 July 2018 Share Posted 13 July 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, toddybad said: Because it's a football forum and I've had a few jars and people need to worry less about the crap we all talk in this thread. The content of the actual thread was interesting and it genuinely be interested to know whether anybody on that side of the fence views it as accurate. Why is everybody so eager to ignore the content and focus on the superficial? And I did kinda try to make that point in my original comment where it was supposed to be clear it was tongue in cheek ffs. Got to say after you flounced off the thread earlier this morning to return when I'm not around as you put it, your contribution was really worth waiting for. Edited 13 July 2018 by murphy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthStandUpperTier Posted 13 July 2018 Share Posted 13 July 2018 10 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Pretty much. Way I see it, we're all human and one day it would be nice to get over the tribal instinct that makes us pick sides and (more damagingly) want to bash the "other" over the head with a rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 13 July 2018 Share Posted 13 July 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said: Damn it Izzy, you're not helping me deal with the "we're just apes in sharper suits" misanthropy feeling going down here. Edited 13 July 2018 by leicsmac 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Posted 13 July 2018 Share Posted 13 July 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Strokes said: It’s swing voters that hold the power in elections, I don’t see why anyone would only vote for any particular party. You might as well not have an opinion. I’d like to think it’s the informed who make up a large percentage of swing voters, people picking sides based on thorough research but I wonder how many swing votes are due to propoganda? I don’t know if theirs been any studies or evidence to show this. But I remember driving to the coast before the Brexit vote and seeing big signs on the side of the road about millions of asylum seekers in Turkey being able to live in the UK via the EU. To think how how many votes those signs must have swung.. Edited 13 July 2018 by Shane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 13 July 2018 Share Posted 13 July 2018 39 minutes ago, toddybad said: Because it's a football forum and I've had a few jars and people need to worry less about the crap we all talk in this thread. The content of the actual thread was interesting and it genuinely be interested to know whether anybody on that side of the fence views it as accurate. Why is everybody so eager to ignore the content and focus on the superficial? And I did kinda try to make that point in my original comment where it was supposed to be clear it was tongue in cheek ffs. I’ll answer you, Toddy. In my opinion there are three main types of Tory: 1) The Tory Establishment: mostly highly educated and rich; it is for these elites that the party exists, as a means of maintaining the status quo. Overwhelming royalist and Christian, not overtly racist but have a firm belief in their superiority over other races and the lower classes. 2) Natural Tories: successful professionals, landowners and businessmen who are economic ‘winners’ and are better off under a Tory government. Probably more intelligent than the elites but less wealthy. Racist in the old-fashioned sense of ‘I wouldn’t want my daughter to marry one’. Hold traditional conservative values. 3) The Stupid Tory: lower class, poor, uneducated, nationalistic, racist people who are easily manipulated by the Tory press into blaming all the shit in their lives on to anybody else but the government - the EU, immigrants, Jeremy Corbyn et al. These are the voters who actually keep the Tories a viable political force, while the reality is they are always better off under a left leaning government. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy Posted 13 July 2018 Share Posted 13 July 2018 1 minute ago, Buce said: I’ll answer you, Toddy. In my opinion there are three main types of Tory: 1) The Tory Establishment: mostly highly educated and rich; it is for these elites that the party exists, as a means of maintaining the status quo. Overwhelming royalist and Christian, not overtly racist but have a firm belief in their superiority over other races and the lower classes. 2) Natural Tories: successful professionals, landowners and businessmen who are economic ‘winners’ and are better off under a Tory government. Probably more intelligent than the elites but less wealthy. Racist in the old-fashioned sense of ‘I wouldn’t want my daughter to marry one’. Hold traditional conservative values. 3) The Stupid Tory: lower class, poor, uneducated, nationalistic, racist people who are easily manipulated by the Tory press into blaming all the shit in their lives on to anybody else but the government - the EU, immigrants, Jeremy Corbyn et al. These are the voters who actually keep the Tories a viable political force, while the reality is they are always better off under a left leaning government. Funny how the left has abandoned it's traditional core and now sees the working class as stupid and uneducated. Such patronising arrogance. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted 13 July 2018 Share Posted 13 July 2018 3 minutes ago, Buce said: I’ll answer you, Toddy. In my opinion there are three main types of Tory: 1) The Tory Establishment: mostly highly educated and rich; it is for these elites that the party exists, as a means of maintaining the status quo. Overwhelming royalist and Christian, not overtly racist but have a firm belief in their superiority over other races and the lower classes. 2) Natural Tories: successful professionals, landowners and businessmen who are economic ‘winners’ and are better off under a Tory government. Probably more intelligent than the elites but less wealthy. Racist in the old-fashioned sense of ‘I wouldn’t want my daughter to marry one’. Hold traditional conservative values. 3) The Stupid Tory: lower class, poor, uneducated, nationalistic, racist people who are easily manipulated by the Tory press into blaming all the shit in their lives on to anybody else but the government - the EU, immigrants, Jeremy Corbyn et al. These are the voters who actually keep the Tories a viable political force, while the reality is they are always better off under a left leaning government. I'd also be genuinely interested in your opinion on the three main types of Labour mate (if you don't mind?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Strokes Posted 13 July 2018 Popular Post Share Posted 13 July 2018 1 minute ago, Izzy Muzzett said: I'd also be genuinely interested in your opinion on the three main types of Labour mate (if you don't mind?) He will get banned if he writes cúnts three times in one post Izzy. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Posted 13 July 2018 Share Posted 13 July 2018 The amount of public service money wasted on this today will have been ridiculous. I have next to 0 interest in politics, most politicians are simply professional liars, people fall out, people look down on what other people's party they support if it's not the same as theirs. I know politics is massively important to the world. But I just couldn't give two shits for one of the biggest reasons being that you're simply never ever going to please everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 13 July 2018 Share Posted 13 July 2018 2 minutes ago, murphy said: Funny how the left has abandoned it's traditional core and now sees the working class as stupid and uneducated. Such patronising arrogance. It’s an undeniable fact that they are less educated - not even up for discussion. They are not all stupid - and I didn’t say they were - just the turkeys who vote for Tory Xmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 13 July 2018 Share Posted 13 July 2018 13 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said: I'd also be genuinely interested in your opinion on the three main types of Labour mate (if you don't mind?) Fvck that - I’ve got a rsi typing that last post on my phone. Maybe tomorrow if I can’t sleep and feel like rattling Murphy’s cage again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy Posted 13 July 2018 Share Posted 13 July 2018 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said: The Stupid Tory: lower class, poor, uneducated, nationalistic, racist people who are easily manipulated by the Tory press.... I think you did call them stupid. And worse. What has happened to the left that they sneer at the working class with such derision? Edited 13 July 2018 by murphy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy Posted 13 July 2018 Share Posted 13 July 2018 10 minutes ago, Buce said: Fvck that - I’ve got a rsi typing that last post on my phone. Maybe tomorrow if I can’t sleep and feel like rattling Murphy’s cage again. Good luck with that. All these "compassionate human beings" are a bit too much for one day. Almost toxic levels of 'compassionate human beings'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 13 July 2018 Share Posted 13 July 2018 1 minute ago, murphy said: I think you did call them stupid. And worse. What has happened to the left that they sneer at the working class with such derision? Read my last reply carefully because repeating myself to you is boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted 13 July 2018 Share Posted 13 July 2018 5 minutes ago, murphy said: I think you did call them stupid. And worse. What has happened to the left that they sneer at the working class with such derision? Buce said that! How have you managed to quote it as me! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 13 July 2018 Share Posted 13 July 2018 Just now, murphy said: Good luck with that. All these "compassionate human beings" are a bit too much for one day. Almost toxic levels of 'compassionate human beings'. Man, people have been rattling your cage for entertainment all day. You are the gift that keeps giving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 13 July 2018 Share Posted 13 July 2018 1 minute ago, Izzy Muzzett said: Buce said that! How have you managed to quote it as me! Fake news! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy Posted 13 July 2018 Share Posted 13 July 2018 2 minutes ago, Buce said: Read my last reply carefully because repeating myself to you is boring. Right, so you just mean that the working class that vote tory are stupid? In other words if they don't agree with you they're stupid. And at the risk of repeating myself I will say it again, - sneering, noxious arrogance!. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy Posted 13 July 2018 Share Posted 13 July 2018 3 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said: Buce said that! How have you managed to quote it as me! Ha! I dunno. I guess there's no end to my talents. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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