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Politics Thread (encompassing Brexit) - 21 June 2017 onwards

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On 7/20/2017 at 07:10, Buce said:

The scary thing is that they don't exactly look out of place.

Yeah no one would bat an eyelid if JRM turned up shirtless with a pint and a St George's cross tattooed on his stomach at the Euros.

 

Totally normal that would be.

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1 minute ago, Buce said:

They've had one foot out of the door since the morning of Brexit when so many City based staff were laid off - which started with all the talent scouts for exceptional personnel around the globe. Its not just MS - they are all midway through their leaving contingency plans having acquired premises and made relocation plans which can be implemented very swiftly should the market change or their economic position / deals with the government. 

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Two Bury council officers deliberately delayed investigating allegations against Labour politician ahead of election, independent inquiry concludes

 

An internal report concludes two top officials put off child protection procedures so that the claims did not surface ahead of the poll

 

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/two-bury-council-officers-deliberately-13362889

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11 minutes ago, MattP said:

My favourite maiden speech from the new intake.

 

 

I'll admit the bit about living in an "era where emotion and feeling is prized above reason and logic" was bang on, and delivered in such ironic context with such a straight face.  With that comic timing I'm already looking forward to seeing her on the panel show circuit, we could have the new Rees-Mogg on our hands.

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20 minutes ago, MattP said:

My favourite maiden speech from the new intake.

 

 

Great speech.  I continue to be amazed at the negativity towards opening ourselves up to the world.  Clearly those who came here from outside Europe, including Kemi, are much in favour.

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5 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

I'll admit the bit about living in an "era where emotion and feeling is prized above reason and logic" was bang on, and delivered in such ironic context with such a straight face.  With that comic timing I'm already looking forward to seeing her on the panel show circuit, we could have the new Rees-Mogg on our hands.

She's clearly a very bright girl, but let's not compare her to Jacob Rees-Mogg yet.

 

I thought it was wonderful speech, optimistic and speaking about Britain and parliament at its best, the total opposite from what we hear from the other side of the chamber. 

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Where is @toddybad? So tories who vote for austerity are responsible for grenfell fire, does this mean you take responsibility for this?

 

Two Bury council officers deliberately delayed investigating allegations against Labour politician ahead of election, independent inquiry concludes

 

An internal report concludes two top officials put off child protection procedures so that the claims did not surface ahead of the poll

 

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/two-bury-council-officers-deliberately-13362889

 
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24 minutes ago, MattP said:

My favourite maiden speech from the new intake.

 

 

A very lovely speech from somebody who's pulled themselves up by their bootstraps.... which not everybody can do - but well done her. I feel a tad sad that somebody with all that life experience lacks empathy for others and their lack of life opportunities and also that the comparative use of third world nationalised water and electric resources circa 20 years ago isn't a realistic representation of socialism, nationalisation or Labour policy. But hey ho - happy to see a non white face in the house not from a background of great privelidge, all the same.

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1 hour ago, Swan Lesta said:

A very lovely speech from somebody who's pulled themselves up by their bootstraps.... which not everybody can do - but well done her. I feel a tad sad that somebody with all that life experience lacks empathy for others and their lack of life opportunities and also that the comparative use of third world nationalised water and electric resources circa 20 years ago isn't a realistic representation of socialism, nationalisation or Labour policy. But hey ho - happy to see a non white face in the house not from a background of great privelidge, all the same.

 

A better speech than most and I'm all in favour of diversity. Politics needs more articulacy and more diversity - and white working-class, not just black upper-middle.

 

But I wonder if she's being painted as something she's not ("pulled themselves up by their bootstraps" etc.)?

I was curious, so checked her Wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemi_Badenoch

"Badenoch was born in Wimbledon. Both her parents are doctors and her childhood included time living in the United States and Lagos, Nigeria. Badenoch returned to the United Kingdom at the age of 16. She studied Computer Systems Engineering at the University of Sussex and later graduated in 2009 with a degree in Law at Birkbeck, University of London. Badenoch then pursued a career in consultancy and financial services, working as an associate director of private bank and wealth manager Coutts and was also a director at the centre-right magazine The Spectator. She is married to Hamish Badenoch, [COO Global Markets UK], Deutche Bank".

 

Sounds to me as if she had a fairly privileged upbringing, albeit that she is black and spent time living in Nigeria.

 

My curiosity then took me to Diane Abbott's page, expecting a similarly middle-class (if UK-based) upbringing. Apparently she grew up in Paddington, her Dad was a welder and her Mum a nurse. She just went to a nice school in Harrow & to Cambridge.

So maybe Diane offers more diversity....even if she struggles with sums and comes across as awfully shrill and tin-eared?

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

A better speech than most and I'm all in favour of diversity. Politics needs more articulacy and more diversity - and white working-class, not just black upper-middle.

 

But I wonder if she's being painted as something she's not ("pulled themselves up by their bootstraps" etc.)?

I was curious, so checked her Wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemi_Badenoch

"Badenoch was born in Wimbledon. Both her parents are doctors and her childhood included time living in the United States and Lagos, Nigeria. Badenoch returned to the United Kingdom at the age of 16. She studied Computer Systems Engineering at the University of Sussex and later graduated in 2009 with a degree in Law at Birkbeck, University of London. Badenoch then pursued a career in consultancy and financial services, working as an associate director of private bank and wealth manager Coutts and was also a director at the centre-right magazine The Spectator. She is married to Hamish Badenoch, [COO Global Markets UK], Deutche Bank".

 

Sounds to me as if she had a fairly privileged upbringing, albeit that she is black and spent time living in Nigeria.

 

My curiosity then took me to Diane Abbott's page, expecting a similarly middle-class (if UK-based) upbringing. Apparently she grew up in Paddington, her Dad was a welder and her Mum a nurse. She just went to a nice school in Harrow & to Cambridge.

So maybe Diane offers more diversity....even if she struggles with sums and comes across as awfully shrill and tin-eared?

 

 

After I had posted I did wonder if she'd get called out on her background of poverty and walking to the well with rusty buckets....

 

Hmm

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4 hours ago, Buce said:

Confidence in the City is high as job volumes rise by nearly a fifth after June's General Election

http://www.cityam.com/268762/confidence-city-high-job-volumes-rise-nearly-fifth-after

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1 hour ago, Strokes said:

Where is @toddybad? So tories who vote for austerity are responsible for grenfell fire, does this mean you take responsibility for this?

 

Two Bury council officers deliberately delayed investigating allegations against Labour politician ahead of election, independent inquiry concludes

 

An internal report concludes two top officials put off child protection procedures so that the claims did not surface ahead of the poll

 

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/two-bury-council-officers-deliberately-13362889

 

Clearly disgraceful.

There are bad people on both sides.

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1 hour ago, Jon the Hat said:

Great speech.  I continue to be amazed at the negativity towards opening ourselves up to the world.  Clearly those who came here from outside Europe, including Kemi, are much in favour.

 

I don't think those sceptical of Brexit are negative towards opening ourselves up to the world. They're negative about placing barriers between ourselves and Europe, the part of the world that is closest to us.

 

They also have negative expectations about how easily, how quickly and how beneficially we'll be able to open ourselves up to the non-European part of the world.

That scepticism may prove to be misplaced, but it's likely to be a long, rocky road until that happens, if it does.

 

Anyway, opening ourselves up to the world does not require Brexit. The EU has just signed trade deals with Canada and Japan. Other EU nations already trade much more with Asia and other parts of the globe than the UK does.

There was / could be a role for the UK pushing the EU further in that direction, if the EU is too inward-looking in that regard (and I'm not sure whether it really is).

 

My naturally pro-EU tendencies are based on the need for wider horizons, with the EU as a minimum level for that. Capital and communications are global so political administration and democracy need to head in that direction to ensure that "progress" serves the interests of the people, not just the interests of global capital. Democratic politics needs to find a way of being more global (with the EU as a stepping-stone) and more local, through devolution of power and less centralisation, be that in London or Brussels.

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3 minutes ago, Webbo said:

Confidence in the City is high as job volumes rise by nearly a fifth after June's General Election

http://www.cityam.com/268762/confidence-city-high-job-volumes-rise-nearly-fifth-after

People aren't bothered, it's going to be months and months now of pro-EU propaganda, the Guardian etc believing every leak that comes out from Barnier and Co whilst ruthlessly turning their nose up at anything our negotiating team will tell them is going well.

 

Portillo got it spot on last night, the rump of the hard remainers are now collectively turning into Lord Haw-Haw.

 

There was even a story last week complaining our team didn't have their papers on the table lol

 

None of us know what it going to happen

 

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2 hours ago, Strokes said:

Where is @toddybad? So tories who vote for austerity are responsible for grenfell fire, does this mean you take responsibility for this?

 

Two Bury council officers deliberately delayed investigating allegations against Labour politician ahead of election, independent inquiry concludes

 

An internal report concludes two top officials put off child protection procedures so that the claims did not surface ahead of the poll

 

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/two-bury-council-officers-deliberately-13362889

 

Absolutely appalling and the kind of thing Labour absolutely needs to expunge to regain trust in the north again.

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5 hours ago, MattP said:

She's clearly a very bright girl, but let's not compare her to Jacob Rees-Mogg yet.

 

I thought it was wonderful speech, optimistic and speaking about Britain and parliament at its best, the total opposite from what we hear from the other side of the chamber. 

What on earth are you on about?

The reason the tories lost seats in the election is that they had absolutely nothing positive to say. The only time any tory mps show positivity is when the brexiteers try to convince everybody they haven't just spun a bottle in a circle of 1 hot blonde and 5 esther rantzen's.

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44 minutes ago, toddybad said:

What on earth are you on about?

The reason the tories lost seats in the election is that they had absolutely nothing positive to say. The only time any tory mps show positivity is when the brexiteers try to convince everybody they haven't just spun a bottle in a circle of 1 hot blonde and 5 esther rantzen's.

Why does ones attractiveness have to be based on look? A bit shallow if you ask me.

:ph34r:

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3 minutes ago, Strokes said:

Why does ones attractiveness have to be based on look? A bit shallow if you ask me.

:ph34r:

 

Because you can't shag a nice personality (allegedly)?

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30 minutes ago, Strokes said:

Why does ones attractiveness have to be based on look? A bit shallow if you ask me.

:ph34r:

It doesn't, i assumed mattp likes the odds of winning an esther rantzen 

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