Milo Posted 29 November 2018 Share Posted 29 November 2018 4 minutes ago, lifted*fox said: my original question though - if the deal is so good why are they trying to keep the legal advice hidden? Who said the deal was good? Only May as far as I can see. Re witholding legal advice, who knows, maybe May is taking a leaf out Blair’s book... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifted*fox Posted 29 November 2018 Share Posted 29 November 2018 4 minutes ago, Milo said: Who said the deal was good? Only May as far as I can see. Re witholding legal advice, who knows, maybe May is taking a leaf out Blair’s book... yes May - I wasn't accusing you of liking the deal - I understand how embarrassing it is to be associated with supporting this shit-show now. taking a leaf out of Blair's book doesn't make it any more acceptable - he should have been held to ****ing account as well. May is literally kicking this country back 40 years in time and she's covering up legal advice that will unequivocally turn the tide against her and her version of Brexit - AT LEAST, if not Brexit altogether. it's a ****ing outrage. the same outrage as Blair and Iraq but we never learn, do we. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifted*fox Posted 29 November 2018 Share Posted 29 November 2018 also, no mention of this pair of twats in here either? these dickheads lied through their teeth to the nation about how easy it was going to be, etc. had to resign from their positions and now they're winning awards for their ineptness? yeah, proper funny right. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifted*fox Posted 29 November 2018 Share Posted 29 November 2018 On 28/11/2018 at 13:46, MattP said: I won't be, this thread has turned a bit shit now, bit like the Trump thread, no real debate, too much groupthink, copies/pastes and the odd insult - fortunately I'm a busy man so don't have much time anyway. I skipped past this yesterday mate but come on lol, don't pretend you've got any more going on than the rest of us. you've already posted in here another 20 odd times since making this post. this thread is the same as it's always been. don't leave now just because it's all falling apart a bit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 29 November 2018 Share Posted 29 November 2018 18 minutes ago, lifted*fox said: I skipped past this yesterday mate but come on lol, don't pretend you've got any more going on than the rest of us. you've already posted in here another 20 odd times since making this post. this thread is the same as it's always been. don't leave now just because it's all falling apart a bit. Tbf, there's only so many times you can say 'Taking back control' and 'It's democracy, innit' without sounding like a broken record. Fact is, it's only the loonies in the ERG that still believe Brexit will be anything other than a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milo Posted 29 November 2018 Share Posted 29 November 2018 11 minutes ago, Buce said: Tbf, there's only so many times you can say 'Taking back control' and 'It's democracy, innit' without sounding like a broken record. Fact is, it's only the loonies in the ERG that still believe Brexit will be anything other than a disaster. Mays remainer version of Brexit may well be a disaster. But being as she’s one of your bunch, it shouldn’t really be a stick to beat leavers with... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 29 November 2018 Share Posted 29 November 2018 9 minutes ago, Milo said: Mays remainer version of Brexit may well be a disaster. But being as she’s one of your bunch, it shouldn’t really be a stick to beat leavers with... I have no doubt if Brexit is bad for the country it'll be someone else's fault. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgfualol Posted 29 November 2018 Share Posted 29 November 2018 14 minutes ago, bovril said: I have no doubt if Brexit is bad for the country it'll be someone else's fault. When, you mean. 100% going to happen. EU and the traitorous remainers will get the blame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milo Posted 29 November 2018 Share Posted 29 November 2018 14 minutes ago, bovril said: I have no doubt if Brexit is bad for the country it'll be someone else's fault. What’s your point? Feel free to read a couple of pages back. This proposal that May is putting forward is a turd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 29 November 2018 Share Posted 29 November 2018 30 minutes ago, Milo said: Mays remainer version of Brexit may well be a disaster. But being as she’s one of your bunch, it shouldn’t really be a stick to beat leavers with... Which version wouldn't be a disaster? Do tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 29 November 2018 Share Posted 29 November 2018 1 hour ago, lifted*fox said: I skipped past this yesterday mate but come on lol, don't pretend you've got any more going on than the rest of us. you've already posted in here another 20 odd times since making this post. this thread is the same as it's always been. don't leave now just because it's all falling apart a bit. Don't worry I'll still be posting. I've got a lot more going on than most at the minute but I'm not going into personal stuff for any sympathy. The thread has gone a bit crazy, there was a period about 18 months ago when it was brilliant - top class posting from all sides regarding Brexit, Geopolitik and seriously in depth economics from people like Kopkfino, Captain, Alf, Salisbury etc Now it's often a 50th unicorn joke of the month or completely unsourced shit that anyone with a basic knowledge of politics knows is incorrect. Still some very good stuff in here to read though, I love the statistics trying to work out the parliamentary arithmetic more than anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 29 November 2018 Share Posted 29 November 2018 1 hour ago, lifted*fox said: also, no mention of this pair of twats in here either? these dickheads lied through their teeth to the nation about how easy it was going to be, etc. had to resign from their positions and now they're winning awards for their ineptness? yeah, proper funny right. What's funny about it? The Spectator always does this award every year and it's often the one designed to make the maximum impact. What did Raab lie about as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 29 November 2018 Share Posted 29 November 2018 Can anyone explain what the point of this Corbyn - May debate is??? Is she hoping he is going to look so ridiculous discussing it that people are going to think it's a good deal? It's not even the electorate she needs to convince, it's parliament. It's a crap deal and nothing she can say is going to change that. Why on earth Jeremy Corbyn is taking it on I have no idea either unless he thinks he can try and turn it into a wider debate on British politics and he can play to his base spending the hour complaining about cuts. He's already shown he doesn't understand it last Sunday. None of it makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beechey Posted 29 November 2018 Share Posted 29 November 2018 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Buce said: Which version wouldn't be a disaster? Do tell. Totally depends on your definition of 'disaster'. Under every model released by the Treasury, the UK economy grows over 15 years. Even under the 'no deal' model (disorderly), the economy is only an average of 0.5% worse off per year (over 15 years) than it would be if it was still in the EU. Many of the models being released seem to drop net migration to ~100,000, whereas it currently stands at 275,000 net. The assumption of 100,000 is ludicrous. The Treasury even did models where EEA net migration is 0. Who honestly thinks that is ever going to happen? Edited 29 November 2018 by Beechey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milo Posted 29 November 2018 Share Posted 29 November 2018 35 minutes ago, Buce said: Which version wouldn't be a disaster? Do tell. Ooh, I don’t know... Probably one where we’re not bent over an EU barrel awaiting a shafting. Not even any lube, ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr The Singh Posted 29 November 2018 Share Posted 29 November 2018 1 hour ago, Buce said: Which version wouldn't be a disaster? Do tell. Singh's dictatorship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 29 November 2018 Share Posted 29 November 2018 Only one poll of course, but possiblr May's deal is so bad public would be prepared to go with No Deal. Be careful what you wish for people's vote crew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchsntf Posted 29 November 2018 Share Posted 29 November 2018 21 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said: Singh's dictatorship Ran from the offshore-landlocked sovereign state of Punjab. The all Singh(ing) cabaret... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purpleronnie Posted 29 November 2018 Share Posted 29 November 2018 2 hours ago, bovril said: I have no doubt if Brexit is bad for the country it'll be someone else's fault. EU's fault innit, anyone watch newsnight? someone said they were a remainer but now would vote Brexit...why? Because the EU have walked all over us....yep, but who's faults that? We're a nation that blames everyone else for our woes. Someone told the presenter that they would rather be in a situation where they couldn't even afford a T-Bag than be part of the EU anymore. These are the people we have to deal with. I swear people would be made homeless, take to begging on street, live in a ditch but would think its ok because we aren't part of the EU. 5 years ago these same people couldn't of cared less about the EU....but now the EU are the devil incarnate. Just a bunch of brainwashed sheep. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purpleronnie Posted 29 November 2018 Share Posted 29 November 2018 2 hours ago, MattP said: Can anyone explain what the point of this Corbyn - May debate is??? Is she hoping he is going to look so ridiculous discussing it that people are going to think it's a good deal? It's not even the electorate she needs to convince, it's parliament. It's a crap deal and nothing she can say is going to change that. Why on earth Jeremy Corbyn is taking it on I have no idea either unless he thinks he can try and turn it into a wider debate on British politics and he can play to his base spending the hour complaining about cuts. He's already shown he doesn't understand it last Sunday. None of it makes sense. might be an amusing watch though? Can't we just get rid of them all and start all over again? Interesting article in the new statesmen:-https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/11/how-right-s-brexit-dream-died 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alf Bentley Posted 29 November 2018 Share Posted 29 November 2018 32 minutes ago, purpleronnie said: Interesting article in the new statesmen:-https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/11/how-right-s-brexit-dream-died Excellent article that, Ronnie. It addresses issues that get too little coverage amid all the Brexit process bullshit. Particularly: - The motives of the laissez-faire politicians behind Brexit (as opposed to Leave voters, whose motives were/are often quite different, and even populists like Farage), - The historic structural failings of the UK economy Good historical overview and global perspective, too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_horns Posted 29 November 2018 Share Posted 29 November 2018 I wonder how much all this has cost to basically end with no deal in all likelihood? And the time taken at the expense of other issues in the country too... Mrs May might be out before Christmas I guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr The Singh Posted 29 November 2018 Share Posted 29 November 2018 Hats off to May, she has taken some shit this week and hasn't put her guard down 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 30 November 2018 Share Posted 30 November 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, purpleronnie said: 5 years ago these same people couldn't of cared less about the EU....but now the EU are the devil incarnate. Just a bunch of brainwashed sheep. Not really true that is it? UKIP won the European Elections in 2014 and came second behind a very Eurosceptic Conservative back in 2009. The Eurosceptism of the British people has often been masked because a General Election is on a wide range of issues. Back, did anyone watch the debate in the European pariliament on the withdrawal act? It was extremely strange, there was a common consensus that the deal was done and dusted and it was just ready to be ratified by the parliament in London, it was an incredible show of mass delusion. In about two hours of watching I only saw Nigel Farage and someone from the FN stand up to claim the British parliament would vote the deal down. Edited 30 November 2018 by MattP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxNotFox Posted 30 November 2018 Share Posted 30 November 2018 9 hours ago, Dr The Singh said: Hats off to May, she has taken some shit this week and hasn't put her guard down Yep, she reminds me of that knight in one of those Monty Python movies; limbs chopped off, refusing to give in. One can admire something in everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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