Adrien Silva - Terms Agreed

[BoyJones]

3 minutes ago, Leeds Fox said:

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, however, if the bloke carrying peices of paper around hadn't have forgotten something and had to go back into the building before getting in the car, this might've gone through. That could be a very expensive 14 seconds. 

 

It all looked very unprofessional for a multimillion pound business deal. 

Maybe so, but don't forget Chelsea had been dicking us about for days. They could have offered a realistic price (in the current crazy market) a couple of days earlier. We had to get the DD deal done first or so it seems. 

[trabuch]

The clock on my laptop is 1.2s slow according to time.is. So 14s is ****ing ridiculous! Does anyone know how the FIFA official measured the time? Was it on a solid gold Rolex they had got from Jack Warner? If so I think that's pretty unreliable.

[HankMarvin]

1 hour ago, davieG said:

Leicester City, FIFA specialist, Sporting president: Portuguese press on Adrien Silva transfer

By Lucas Sposito -

 

6th September 2017

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The Portuguese press had a pretty busy Tuesday night, after FIFA rejected Adrien Silva’s transfer from Sporting to Leicester City.

The local newspapers did a good job getting information from different sources on the case, as the midfielder’s future is still surrounded by smoke.

Leicester officially spoke to the Portuguese papers last night. Although Jornal de Notícias claims to have the exclusive quotes, all the outlets published it today, with the club saying: “We are working with Adrien and Sporting to overcome some issues related to player registration and explore all options to find a resolution.”

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As reported by A Bola, it seems the transfer was registered only 11 seconds late. And even though the FA accepted Leicester’s request for extra time, FIFA did not.

Both Diário de Notícias and O Jogo interviewed Bernardo Morais Palmiero, who is a lawyer and previously worked for FIFA, to speak on the matter. He talked about all the possibilities Leicester still have.

“Adrien is a Leicester player, the deal is closed and nobody questions it,” Palmiero told Diário de Notícias.

“There may be some solutions that are not easy to achieve. For season a player can be registered in three clubs but can only play for two and this is a clear rule with no exceptions. So what could be done is to try to loan him to a club in a market where it is still open, like Turkey.

“I don’t know if FIFA would accept it because it’s not foreseen in the regulations. The international certificate is still in Portugal, what Leicester would have to do is to ask FIFA for the certificate to go to England to be issued immediately, then, for example, to Turkey. But that would prevent him from representing Leicester this sporting season.”

Speaking to O Jogo, he said: “The decision was expectable and is passed through the committee of player status and appealable for TAD. The presentation of an appeal does not have suspensive effect, but precautionary measures may be requested.

“However, the examination shows that the requests for the application of those measures are invariably rejected, since the issue here is very factual: either the request wasn’t submitted or did not arrive on time. That way, the feature usually has a small chance of success.”

“The validation of the transfer is not automatic. When the system blocks, it enters an exception state. It’s necessary that the FA, at the request of the club, verifies what has happened and request the intervention of FIFA to validate the registration, providing justification. The request was probably not presented or was only made yesterday (Monday).”

Finally, Sporting president Bruno de Carvalho was more corteous than usual, and claims to be hoping that everything goes right for Adrien to move. Speaking to Sporting TV (via Record), he said: “Adrien has performed exceptionally well in this period and I hope that Leicester can – because there are appeal mechanisms – register a player with this quality, who deserves to be playing.

“Sometimes there are these troubles. We placed the documents on time; the information I have is that Leicester have put most of the documents on time, but that the last one has entered a few seconds after the deadline has expired. If they cannot count on him for now, make him fit in, for example, it happened to us with Bruno César and André Pinto. It’s important.”

Cracker 

so the solution could be to loan him to Turkey for the rest of the season and have him back a year later at 29 after playing in a shit league.

 

sounds beneficial to our club 

[Burmesefox]

Not read all the posts but it is very possible and almost likely that the FIFA server received it on time but it wasn't delivered to the recipient until 1/2 minutes later. Also my time on my PC is often out of sync - often by as much as 5 minutes - it strays constantly.

 

Now another point is what is the definition of "on time"? Let's say it is to be received at 12 midnight or before. That would imply that 00.00 and 59 seconds is on time and 00.01 is over. IF received at 00.14 then is that on time. For the sake of 14 seconds this is churlish to say the least and something that Barcelona wouldn't have to put up with. 

 

[Permafrost]

23 minutes ago, Livid said:

there's a reason they are based in Switzerland and it's not for neutrality.

Dignitas?

[HankMarvin]

1 minute ago, Burmesefox said:

Not read all the posts but it is very possible and almost likely that the FIFA server received it on time but it wasn't delivered to the recipient until 1/2 minutes later. Also my time on my PC is often out of sync - often by as much as 5 minutes - it strays constantly.

 

Now another point is what is the definition of "on time"? Let's say it is to be received at 12 midnight or before. That would imply that 00.00 and 59 seconds is on time and 00.01 is over. IF received at 00.14 then is that on time. For the sake of 14 seconds this is churlish to say the least and something that Barcelona wouldn't have to put up with. 

 

I would like to think an organisation worth over 15 billion (in 2015) uses NTP servers and is a little more reliable than your PC

[Legend_in_blue]

From a numbers point of view 00:00:14 is 00:00 and anything including and beyond 00:00:30 would be rounded to 00:01 and therefore considered late.

[Foxes1]

This 14 secs they are all talking about is that late by UK time or Zurich time as their is a time difference between the 2 countries of 1 hour.

[promised land]

3 minutes ago, Burmesefox said:

 

 

Now another point is what is the definition of "on time"? Let's say it is to be received at 12 midnight or before. That would imply that 00.00 and 59 seconds is on time and 00.01 is over. IF received at 00.14 then is that on time. For the sake of 14 seconds this is churlish to say the least and something that Barcelona wouldn't have to put up with. 

 

00:00 and 59 seconds is not on time if midnight is the dead line as you've gone over it by 59 seconds,  23:59 and 59 seconds is still on that day, when it goes to 00:00 and zero seconds it is a new calendar day so 00:00 and 59 seconds is over the dead line.

 

I still can't understand why they faffed about so long up to the dead line, get the deal done before Drinky goes then you're covered, waiting for Chelsea when we didn't need the money to buy elsewhere seems very short sighted if we miss out now.

[Lovejoy]

[Guest LCFC_World]

Gutted about this. 14 seconds really??? And how corrupt FIFA is they have the nerve to deny this????

[EnderbyFox]

[trabuch]

We'll appeal and win and FIFA's lawyers will throw a party.

 

And by the way - it's typical FT that the majority are criticising the club they support rather than one of the most corrupt organisations who've done serious damage to a sport we love and are clearly dicking us.

[st albans fox]

no one knows if Chelsea were 14 seconds or 14 minutes late with their paperwork to the FA. we already know that the FA accepted our docs. its FIFA who are the problem. to say that we should have got our stuff in before selling DD doesn't make much sense. we agreed for DD to undergo his medical just before 11 when it was clear we finally had agreement with SCP. then it was up to both clubs to get their docs sorted in the 2 hour extension assuming the PL doc was submitted before 11pm in the accepted format.  in retrospect, we should just have told everyone that it was all too late - but we made a mistake and will hopefully get away with it although at the moment, that seems in the balance.

[Wymsey]

At least, in January, you can say it's a great start to that transfer window by Rudkin...

[Viva]

7 minutes ago, promised land said:

00:00 and 59 seconds is not on time if midnight is the dead line as you've gone over it by 59 seconds,  23:59 and 59 seconds is still on that day, when it goes to 00:00 and zero seconds it is a new calendar day so 00:00 and 59 seconds is over the dead line.

 

I still can't understand why they faffed about so long up to the dead line, get the deal done before Drinky goes then you're covered, waiting for Chelsea when we didn't need the money to buy elsewhere seems very short sighted if we miss out now.

One of the two players would have been very expensive subs if the Drinkwater move hadn't gone through. I understand if the club didn't want this to happen. We shouldn't be wasting money. 

[Fox1norfolk]

1 minute ago, trabuch said:

We'll appeal and win and FIFA's lawyers will throw a party.

Suspect if it was PSG or Man city FIFA would not be so pedantic

[chicagofox]

Can people please stop with the whole, "If it was Real Madrid or Man United, etc. this wouldn't have happened".

 

Because it did happen.  It happened when the paperwork for David De Gea's move from Manchester United to Real Madrid did not go through before the deadline.

 

A deadline is a deadline.  There is no pedantry involved.  There is no conspiracy involved.

 

 

[Livid]

7 minutes ago, trabuch said:

We'll appeal and win and FIFA's lawyers will throw a party.

 

And by the way - it's typical FT that the majority are criticising the club they support rather than one of the most corrupt organisations who've done serious damage to a sport we love and are clearly dicking us.

They've fixed a lot of things over the years but I think time is even beyond them!

[noodles]

a deadline is a deadline.

 

doesnt matter if it is 1 second, 14 seconds or 14 hours.

[Finn Claw II]

My only take on this is either he should be a LCFC player and be able to play for us or the transfer should be nullified and he plays for Sporting Lisbon.

 

this horrible middle ground is surely not something FIFA wants.  

[trabuch]

Just now, Livid said:

They've fixed a lot of things over the years but I think time is even beyond them!

 

margin of error

phrase of margin

1. 1.

   a small amount that is allowed for in case of miscalculation or change of circumstances.

   "it is well within the margin of error for this sort of calculation"

[SCP4Ever]

2 minutes ago, chicagofox said:

Can people please stop with the whole, "If it was Real Madrid or Man United, etc. this wouldn't have happened".

 

Because it did happen.  It happened when the paperwork for David De Gea's move from Manchester United to Real Madrid did not go through before the deadline.

 

 

 

That was different. The clubs didn't reach a deal until after the deadline, that's why DDG stayed at United. If they had reached a deal, he couldn't have played for either club, as he belonged to RM, but wouldn't be registered in Spain.

[chicagofox]

9 minutes ago, trabuch said:

and are clearly dicking us.

No they are clearly not.

[4everfox]

Why is Danny Drinkwater a Chelsea player when the club said he would not be sold unless Silva was brought in first? I have no reason to believe the club are at fault here else Drinkwater's transfer would have been rejected by FIFA too, because it was completed after the Silva deal right? This whole situation stinks of big club bias and corruption to me.