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7 hours ago, Dr The Singh said:

Institutional racism excist within the police force.

 

I've just had an experience with regards to.a situation with me daughter.  

 

WTF with police telling me how to feel.  I got Sikh federation involved, this isn't the 80's.

Elaborate, doctor. 

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The reluctance of many working from homer's  not wanting to return to the office is more to do with giving up the convenience of working from home than anything Covid related .

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2 minutes ago, Livid said:

The reluctance of many working from homer's  not wanting to return to the office is more to do with giving up the convenience of working from home than anything Covid related .

I'm quite happy working from home but I would also be happy to go back. Ultimately though reluctance doesn't come into it for me. It is not my decision. When they tell me to go back, I'll go back.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Livid said:

The reluctance of many working from homer's  not wanting to return to the office is more to do with giving up the convenience of working from home than anything Covid related .

Many employers are now considering closing offices where it's feasible for office staff to work from home. The problem is, if these employers are city based then the lack of people working in the city based offices will result in a decline in casual retail shopping that happens during lunch breaks as well as customers for the food outlets, especially the independents. This whole thing could seriously affect town centres.

It's also being suggested that working from home isolates people from interaction with colleagues, the "chat around the coffee machine" kind of socialising and that adversely affects people's mental wellbeing. My wife currently works from home. Her workstation is in the corner of our spare bedroom facing 2 blank walls with no interaction with anyone except the occasional phone call. She finds it an interminable day and now wants to go back to the office at least once a week.

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1 hour ago, Livid said:

The reluctance of many working from homer's  not wanting to return to the office is more to do with giving up the convenience of working from home than anything Covid related .ry

Yep, personally, without a doubt. Why do I want to get up 2 hours before I start work and sit in traffic for 45 minutes of that to then spend my time with people I wouldn't normally speak to? And pay to run a car for the privilege? 

I don't ever want to return to the office, I absolutely love working from home 

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Antisemitism has ceased to become a form of racism that is perceived as socially unacceptable and, in some quarters, is actually seen as justifiable. 

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2 hours ago, Livid said:

The reluctance of many working from homer's  not wanting to return to the office is more to do with giving up the convenience of working from home than anything Covid related .

Is it just that?

 

Might be to do with commuting costs and the huge savings of those, knowing you can still do your job from home (majority of the week). And not have to spend 3-5k/year on train costs...

 

(so yeah, I guess you're right with convenience come to think of it lol )

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2 hours ago, Livid said:

The reluctance of many working from homer's  not wanting to return to the office is more to do with giving up the convenience of working from home than anything Covid related .

Yep. At my work they have had to get 3 people back in the office as they were only doing 2 hours work a day from home. 
 

They then promised to do their full 8 hours work if they let them work from home again lol 

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4 hours ago, Parafox said:

Many employers are now considering closing offices where it's feasible for office staff to work from home. The problem is, if these employers are city based then the lack of people working in the city based offices will result in a decline in casual retail shopping that happens during lunch breaks as well as customers for the food outlets, especially the independents. This whole thing could seriously affect town centres.

 

De Mont uni would probably buy - up empty real estate and move students in so it may off set some foot fall decline - eventually.

Any office blocks that do become under used, should be converted to affordable flats to buy or rent imo and try and offset building more estates on green field sites

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13 hours ago, Livid said:

The reluctance of many working from homer's  not wanting to return to the office is more to do with giving up the convenience of working from home than anything Covid related .

I dunno, I'm not at risk but work in an open plan office and the amount of people who come into work when they are visibly unwell is alarming. The lift in the building is out of order half the time, the stairway is really narrow, the kitchen is tiny and shared between 50+ staff, and the cleaners never do a very good job. If one person were to work a full day in there with Covid the chances are they'd pass it on to a fair few others

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1 hour ago, Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo said:

I dunno, I'm not at risk but work in an open plan office and the amount of people who come into work when they are visibly unwell is alarming. The lift in the building is out of order half the time, the stairway is really narrow, the kitchen is tiny and shared between 50+ staff, and the cleaners never do a very good job. If one person were to work a full day in there with Covid the chances are they'd pass it on to a fair few others

Similar sort of situation at my place.

 

On a slightly different note, I did feel sorry for the on-site cafe guys when I started bringing my own food in but it was over £5 per meal and I'm not doing that 5 days a week every single week.

 

Our office is closing permanently now as well and everyone will be a full-time home worker. If more companies go down the same route, it will be a real shame for those people who rely on office workers for their living but in our case it also means that everyone gets to keep their jobs and there have been no Covid-related redundancies.

 

I can't blame people for wanting to stay working from home to protect themselves and their families either. Office workers are not generally known for being the healthiest of people, and it's those with underlying health conditions that are among the most vulnerable.

 

If the government wants people to go back into work, plough more money and effort into vaccine development and/or arming employers with ways of protecting their staff. Office workers are becoming just another scapegoat for the country's decline. It's never this government's fault is it?

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1 hour ago, Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo said:

I dunno, I'm not at risk but work in an open plan office and the amount of people who come into work when they are visibly unwell is alarming. The lift in the building is out of order half the time, the stairway is really narrow, the kitchen is tiny and shared between 50+ staff, and the cleaners never do a very good job. If one person were to work a full day in there with Covid the chances are they'd pass it on to a fair few others

Things have to change in the office I know ours has. We had temperatures taken every morning, test kits delivered by the city council, social distancing, Perspex screens, no canteen and if you do feel ill you do not come in. 

 

I worked from home for about two month’s, I enjoyed getting up at 8.15 and not having the commute. The situation wasn’t ideal, we were down to a skeleton staff and two members of my team were furloughed, so I was trying to cover a number of roles whilst working on a laptop (Head Office for Retailer only income we had was from online sales). Under normal circumstances maybe it would have been different but I hated it. 
 

Started going back for about one day a week in Mid April, went back full time in Mid May, gradually brought people back off furlough. Exemptions were in place for those shielding or childcare issues. How could we ask our store staff to step up and return to work to deal with the general public if the teams that supported them at head office were  all hiding at home? 
 

I’m glad a lot are still working from home as my commute is blissful :thumbup:

 

I keep seeing people saying this is just the work life evolving. This isn’t going to be evolution though it will turn into a cull. The same kind of people who when they next see a show will be whining that their favourite restaurant has closed down. 

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On 28/08/2020 at 19:31, Parafox said:

Many employers are now considering closing offices where it's feasible for office staff to work from home. The problem is, if these employers are city based then the lack of people working in the city based offices will result in a decline in casual retail shopping that happens during lunch breaks as well as customers for the food outlets, especially the independents. This whole thing could seriously affect town centres.

It's also being suggested that working from home isolates people from interaction with colleagues, the "chat around the coffee machine" kind of socialising and that adversely affects people's mental wellbeing. My wife currently works from home. Her workstation is in the corner of our spare bedroom facing 2 blank walls with no interaction with anyone except the occasional phone call. She finds it an interminable day and now wants to go back to the office at least once a week.

Charnwood Council are planning if not already, to our the building up for sale and use the office spaces they already own in the centre above shops etc to house those departments that still need a base. So hopefully that will have a positive impact on the centre.

 

But others as you say will end up working from home full time if the departments can function that way. My wife has been told she is at home for at least this year if not longer.

 

We plan to set her up an office looking out our spare room over the garden. As she is currently in the dining room and the view of the neighbours house is a little bleak.

 

As you say tho the biggest impact I've noticed it that lack of social interaction, no coffee break chats. No nipping into Loughborough for a cuppa and a chat. I pointed it out to her that I was worried about her mental state because of it. And we have tried to make an effort to catch up with friends and neighbours more often in the evenings when the weather is good. Not sure how we deal with the winter tho.

 

Tough times for a lot of people. In many ways.

Mass redundancy is around the corner for many. But those who keep jobs will also have many things to overcome as well. Wonder how we will all look back on this in decades to come.

 

My wife has had to deal with people who only rent a room in a house so would prefer to be in an office as they have no space, another who was/is the victim of domestic abuse so being home made them more vulnerable, so it had a huge impact on their mental health to the point they quit.

 

 

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17 hours ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

Genuine Q.
What has 'Here's Where The Story Ends' got to do with the Pogues?

They sang a version which I was under the impression was written by Magowan as Bruce Springsteen said on his radio show. Obviously now I realise maybe he didn't write decent songs after all? :facepalm:

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13 minutes ago, Parafox said:

They sang a version which I was under the impression was written by Magowan as Bruce Springsteen said on his radio show. Obviously now I realise maybe he didn't write decent songs after all? :facepalm:

The Boss is lying to you mate!! lol

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