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16 minutes ago, BenTheFox said:

I'm sure this one was mentioned early in this thread but tipping in restaurants is nonsense. It shouldn't be the responsibility of the customer to ensure that that the person serving you can afford to live. That should be covered in the cost of the meal/drinks. When I go to a supermarket to buy groceries or go and put fuel in my car I'm not expected to tip the person behind the counter. Likewise when I go to a site to carry out a noise and dust survey I don't expect to be tipped for good service.

I assume carrying out a noise & dust survey pays considerably more than a waiter/waitress or supermarket check out staff on the minimum wage.

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26 minutes ago, boots60 said:

I assume carrying out a noise & dust survey pays considerably more than a waiter/waitress or supermarket check out staff on the minimum wage.

Why the hell should that matter. If I'm expected to tip everyone that gets payed less than me I'd soon be asking for tips myself. 

 

Shite system somehow sneaking its way over here from Murica despite being regularly mocked over here. Better to keep raising the minimum wage than let the ****s in charge get away with this crap. 

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7 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

Why the hell should that matter. If I'm expected to tip everyone that gets payed less than me I'd soon be asking for tips myself. 

 

Shite system somehow sneaking its way over here from Murica despite being regularly mocked over here. Better to keep raising the minimum wage than let the ****s in charge get away with this crap. 

That is essentially my point. Of course I believe that restaurant staff should make enough money to live. My issue is that their salary should cover their living costs and that they shouldn't have to rely on customers being charitable and paying above the price listed on the menu. 

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I dont mind the actual tipping aspect, its the expectation that gripes me. 

 

Also, when did society just accept 10% should be bumped up to 12.5%? Are we heading towards 20% tips being the norm?

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1 hour ago, The Bear said:

Restaurants now get around it by automatically adding a "service charge" to the bill. Which I don't like. 

Most of the time it's not compulsory you pay, but it makes you look like a twat if you don't want to.


I've tried to do it with mates before but the majority of the group don't want to "kick up a fuss."

 

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1 hour ago, Innovindil said:

Why the hell should that matter. If I'm expected to tip everyone that gets payed less than me I'd soon be asking for tips myself. 

 

Shite system somehow sneaking its way over here from Murica despite being regularly mocked over here. Better to keep raising the minimum wage than let the ****s in charge get away with this crap. 

I am probably in a minority here but if you have had a nice meal with decent friendly service who (apart from a tight wad) would begrudge a gratuity to a low paid member of staff?

 

1 hour ago, The Bear said:

Restaurants now get around it by automatically adding a "service charge" to the bill. Which I don't like. 

I have always refused to pay this & passed on a tip directly.

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27 minutes ago, boots60 said:

I am probably in a minority here but if you have had a nice meal with decent friendly service who (apart from a tight wad) would begrudge a gratuity to a low paid member of staff?

 

I have always refused to pay this & passed on a tip directly.

It isn't about being tight. It's about creating, or at least allowing to fester, a system that let's companies use and abuse the people at the bottom and expect others to pick up the tab. If you can't afford to pay your staff, raise your prices, like every other profession has to. That way it's spread across every customer, not just the select few that leave tips. 

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13 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

It isn't about being tight. It's about creating, or at least allowing to fester, a system that let's companies use and abuse the people at the bottom and expect others to pick up the tab. If you can't afford to pay your staff, raise your prices, like every other profession has to. That way it's spread across every customer, not just the select few that leave tips. 

In an ideal world I would agree 100%

 

We do not live in an ideal world.

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If someone has been serving me drinks and food for an hour or two while I've been sat on my arse then I'm happy to throw them in a couple of quid extra. Especially if they've been pleasant and gone out of their way to make extra accomodations. Equally I don't think there should be a stigma against tipping, if you don't want to tip then it shouldn't be expected

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1 hour ago, filbertway said:

If someone has been serving me drinks and food for an hour or two while I've been sat on my arse then I'm happy to throw them in a couple of quid extra. Especially if they've been pleasant and gone out of their way to make extra accomodations. Equally I don't think there should be a stigma against tipping, if you don't want to tip then it shouldn't be expected

This is about right. I genuinely don't mind tipping, it's the expectation that I struggle with.

 

I fell out badly with a friend about this, though. She was so upset that I didn't tip. She worked in a pub/restaurant and was outraged at the thought of people who didn't tip. She expected it for the work she put in and crap she took.

 

My low-paid background is in supermarket work, and I never got a tip. Add that to my lack of tipping and we came to blows over it. She was astonishingly entitled, I genuinely couldn't believe it.

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2 hours ago, boots60 said:

I am probably in a minority here but if you have had a nice meal with decent friendly service who (apart from a tight wad) would begrudge a gratuity to a low paid member of staff?

 

I have always refused to pay this & passed on a tip directly.

Tipping is an Americanism. It's done over there because their waiting staff are paid pennies an hour. The staff over here get a decent wage. 

 

It shouldn't be thrust on the bill and should be entirely optional. It's an added extra. 

 

For the record I tip when I feel like I've had a good service or they've been polite and attentive. But making it a refusal is really sneaky - folk will pay it out of being uncomfortable and that's not right. 

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33 minutes ago, Footballwipe said:

This is about right. I genuinely don't mind tipping, it's the expectation that I struggle with.

 

I fell out badly with a friend about this, though. She was so upset that I didn't tip. She worked in a pub/restaurant and was outraged at the thought of people who didn't tip. She expected it for the work she put in and crap she took.

 

My low-paid background is in supermarket work, and I never got a tip. Add that to my lack of tipping and we came to blows over it. She was astonishingly entitled, I genuinely couldn't believe it.

 

Did she apologise afterwards? Fair play in a heated exchange straight after the incident, but surely after a sleep she realised she was bang out of order? lol

 

Unless of course you were being a dick about it haha

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10 minutes ago, filbertway said:

 

Did she apologise afterwards? Fair play in a heated exchange straight after the incident, but surely after a sleep she realised she was bang out of order? lol

 

Unless of course you were being a dick about it haha

Hahah we get on so well so I tried not to be a dick. I was almost so shocked I was being nice to stop myself exploding. At the time she even said that her opinion of me had "dropped a little bit." It was all a bit weird tbh. I'd imagine it if she'd come from a massive tipping culture like the USA, but a leafy Leicestershire village is definitely not the USA.

 

We spoke about it a few weeks later, buried the hatchet and agreed to disagree, (not the hill for a friendship to die on) but obviously she still thinks everyone in the service industry should be tipped, absolutely 100%, if they've done a good job.

 

 

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3 hours ago, foxile5 said:

Tipping is an Americanism. It's done over there because their waiting staff are paid pennies an hour. The staff over here get a decent wage. 

 

It shouldn't be thrust on the bill and should be entirely optional. It's an added extra. 

 

For the record I tip when I feel like I've had a good service or they've been polite and attentive. But making it a refusal is really sneaky - folk will pay it out of being uncomfortable and that's not right. 

This. I'm always wary of tipping. If I've had good service, I will ask the waiting staff how they get their tips. If they say it all goes in a pot and gets shared out I will tip them directly otherwise some lazy disinterested knob-end will be getting something they don't deserve.

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37 minutes ago, Parafox said:

This. I'm always wary of tipping. If I've had good service, I will ask the waiting staff how they get their tips. If they say it all goes in a pot and gets shared out I will tip them directly otherwise some lazy disinterested knob-end will be getting something they don't deserve.

I'm the opposite.

 

I want it shared out between the chefs, waiting staff and dish cleaners - as long as it doesn't go to management.

 

Never understood why people want it solely to go to the waiters and not the cooks or cleaners too. Is it not just as, if not more important that your food is good and everything is hygienic than it is having good table service?

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I'd want it to go to the person who's been serving me because they've been dealing with me personally and that's precisely  what I'm tipping them for. I'm not tipping as a well done to the entire restaurant staff. 

 

The people in the back don't deal face to face with the diner, or need to have any personal skills in dealing with people, and they don't have to run back and forth all night. If they share it out between the staff who rotate waiting/bar/concierge etc then fair enough but I'd still rather it went in the pocket of the person I've dealt with. 

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2 hours ago, Webbo said:

The chefs/pot washers don't face the public but still work hard, it's only fair they get a share. 

My lad does pot washing weekends whilst at college .Gets paid a pittance and they WONT give them a share of the tips.

He is absolutely delighted he is getting furlough money.Payback as he calls it.

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1 hour ago, The Bear said:

I'd want it to go to the person who's been serving me because they've been dealing with me personally and that's precisely  what I'm tipping them for. I'm not tipping as a well done to the entire restaurant staff. 

 

The people in the back don't deal face to face with the diner, or need to have any personal skills in dealing with people, and they don't have to run back and forth all night. If they share it out between the staff who rotate waiting/bar/concierge etc then fair enough but I'd still rather it went in the pocket of the person I've dealt with. 

Cogs and wheels .

Need to educate yourself on how it works at the back.They don’t stop and really get some shit jobs.

You can do what you want btw.

 

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