Sampson 3,184 Posted 25 February Report Share Posted 25 February (edited) 1 hour ago, The Bear said: I'd want it to go to the person who's been serving me because they've been dealing with me personally and that's precisely what I'm tipping them for. I'm not tipping as a well done to the entire restaurant staff. The people in the back don't deal face to face with the diner, or need to have any personal skills in dealing with people, and they don't have to run back and forth all night. If they share it out between the staff who rotate waiting/bar/concierge etc then fair enough but I'd still rather it went in the pocket of the person I've dealt with. It never works like that in reality though. Dish cleaners do an honest, good day's work and get paid nothing - I would never he surprised if I learnt a lot of them are immigrants being taken advantage of who don't even get minimum wage. Chefs only get paid well in more upmarket restaurants and it's pretty infamous for chefs to have to work crazy long hours often 60+ hours a week because the pay is so poor. They're all on a pittance, but difference is the waiters get the tips. Not saying they don't do a good job or don't deserve it, but really fail to see why just because they're the one you "face" they should get everything extra. Are you just tipping for the service though? Or is it just that good dishwashers and good chefs go unnoticed to you when they're doing a good job? Let's put it another way - if the food was bad and chronically undercooked and your cutlery was filthy, would you still want to leave a tip? Edited 25 February by Sampson 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cambridgefox 2,886 Posted 25 February Report Share Posted 25 February 2 hours ago, Parafox said: This. I'm always wary of tipping. If I've had good service, I will ask the waiting staff how they get their tips. If they say it all goes in a pot and gets shared out I will tip them directly otherwise some lazy disinterested knob-end will be getting something they don't deserve. Blimey. my lad is washing pots whilst at college.Gets paid £4.25 an hour with no tips. Different line of work but We are desperately busy at my work and he works there when needed.My MD has said to me I should be so proud of how hard he works,thinks on his feet and will look straight away for the next job. Asked how much he gets at the restaurant and doubled it. What I’m trying to say is you have made a huge assumption “lazy,disinterested knob end” to a massive proportion of staff you don’t know( not just my 17 year old) 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Carl the Llama 9,708 Posted 25 February Popular Post Report Share Posted 25 February (edited) 1 hour ago, The Bear said: I'd want it to go to the person who's been serving me because they've been dealing with me personally and that's precisely what I'm tipping them for. I'm not tipping as a well done to the entire restaurant staff. The people in the back don't deal face to face with the diner, or need to have any personal skills in dealing with people, and they don't have to run back and forth all night. If they share it out between the staff who rotate waiting/bar/concierge etc then fair enough but I'd still rather it went in the pocket of the person I've dealt with. It's understandable that people only appreciate what they can see and touch but the people in the kitchen are not just twiddling their thumbs and food magically appears. You get a lot sweatier working in a kitchen than you do running tables, each role has its own challenges and it's inherently unfair if only the members of staff that the public can see get to benefit from a customer's generosity following a positive dining experience. You wouldn't leave a tip if the food was shit and you didn't want to finish it, or if all the cutlery had bits of old food on them, even if the waiting staff were the most polite you'd ever encountered, it's a team effort to get your tip. Edited 25 February by Carl the Llama 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
peach0000 2,212 Posted 25 February Report Share Posted 25 February I'm not really getting all the hate for tipping. All I'd say is I'm guessing the people on here who are against it have never worked in a job where they relied on tipping to pay the bills. When I worked those roles it was the kind of thing where you would never expect someone to tip but it was really appreciated when they did and made the shitty job seem worth it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Parafox 2,901 Posted 25 February Report Share Posted 25 February 4 minutes ago, cambridgefox said: Blimey. my lad is washing pots whilst at college.Gets paid £4.25 an hour with no tips. Different line of work but We are desperately busy at my work and he works there when needed.My MD has said to me I should be so proud of how hard he works,thinks on his feet and will look straight away for the next job. Asked how much he gets at the restaurant and doubled it. What I’m trying to say is you have made a huge assumption “lazy,disinterested knob end” to a massive proportion of staff you don’t know( not just my 17 year old) I apologise to you. I guess it seemed to be a genarilsation. I didn't mean it to be. I have no doubt that there's many like your lad and they need so much support but those in front of house are seen to be the beneficiaries of tips. I don't think many, myself included, realise that tips get shared amongst all staff. I genuinely hope your lad does well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cambridgefox 2,886 Posted 25 February Report Share Posted 25 February 4 minutes ago, Parafox said: I apologise to you. I guess it seemed to be a genarilsation. I didn't mean it to be. I have no doubt that there's many like your lad and they need so much support but those in front of house are seen to be the beneficiaries of tips. I don't think many, myself included, realise that tips get shared amongst all staff. I genuinely hope your lad does well. No need to apologise.There are a lot out there like that.Luckily he is a grafter,always has been.Paper round,working at the Indian and selling sweets and drinks at school got him £70-£80 a week at 15 ,including free curry! Although he absolutely baffles us.Doing A level physics so he can do a job that doesn’t involve needing Physics. pushing himself to the limit to join the parachute regiment. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Parafox 2,901 Posted 25 February Report Share Posted 25 February 5 minutes ago, cambridgefox said: No need to apologise.There are a lot out there like that.Luckily he is a grafter,always has been.Paper round,working at the Indian and selling sweets and drinks at school got him £70-£80 a week at 15 ,including free curry! Although he absolutely baffles us.Doing A level physics so he can do a job that doesn’t involve needing Physics. pushing himself to the limit to join the parachute regiment. Wow. Full respect 🖒🖒 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ozleicester 7,470 Posted 26 February Report Share Posted 26 February 2 hours ago, peach0000 said: I'm not really getting all the hate for tipping. All I'd say is I'm guessing the people on here who are against it have never worked in a job where they relied on tipping to pay the bills. When I worked those roles it was the kind of thing where you would never expect someone to tip but it was really appreciated when they did and made the shitty job seem worth it. I THINK the anti tipping feeling is that is an acknowledgement that the staff are being UNDERPAID and instead of the business paying for their staff, they are EXPECTING their customers to do so. If your business is a legitimate business, it will pay fairly and pay its taxes (which are lower if they pay lower wages and dont report tips). 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Bear 4,073 Posted 26 February Report Share Posted 26 February 10 hours ago, cambridgefox said: Cogs and wheels . Need to educate yourself on how it works at the back.They don’t stop and really get some shit jobs. You can do what you want btw. I do appreciate that I don't know much about a busy kitchen other than what I see on TV. 10 hours ago, Sampson said: It never works like that in reality though. Dish cleaners do an honest, good day's work and get paid nothing - I would never he surprised if I learnt a lot of them are immigrants being taken advantage of who don't even get minimum wage. Chefs only get paid well in more upmarket restaurants and it's pretty infamous for chefs to have to work crazy long hours often 60+ hours a week because the pay is so poor. They're all on a pittance, but difference is the waiters get the tips. Not saying they don't do a good job or don't deserve it, but really fail to see why just because they're the one you "face" they should get everything extra. Are you just tipping for the service though? Or is it just that good dishwashers and good chefs go unnoticed to you when they're doing a good job? Let's put it another way - if the food was bad and chronically undercooked and your cutlery was filthy, would you still want to leave a tip? If the food was bad and the cutlery filthy I'd not go there again or just walk out. Basic levels of culinary skill and hygiene are the restaurant's responsibility and will make or break their business through reviews and word of mouth. I don't think that's something that should mean the diner pays extra to reward. 10 hours ago, Carl the Llama said: It's understandable that people only appreciate what they can see and touch but the people in the kitchen are not just twiddling their thumbs and food magically appears. You get a lot sweatier working in a kitchen than you do running tables, each role has its own challenges and it's inherently unfair if only the members of staff that the public can see get to benefit from a customer's generosity following a positive dining experience. You wouldn't leave a tip if the food was shit and you didn't want to finish it, or if all the cutlery had bits of old food on them, even if the waiting staff were the most polite you'd ever encountered, it's a team effort to get your tip. If I had issues with the food or cleanliness that were small enough not to be major issues, and the waiter was doing a good job in sorting them out quickly then at the end of the meal, yes I'd tip them for that. 9 hours ago, cambridgefox said: No need to apologise.There are a lot out there like that.Luckily he is a grafter,always has been.Paper round,working at the Indian and selling sweets and drinks at school got him £70-£80 a week at 15 ,including free curry! Although he absolutely baffles us.Doing A level physics so he can do a job that doesn’t involve needing Physics. pushing himself to the limit to join the parachute regiment. Your lad sounds like a real gem. You obviously raised him right. He may not need physics in his next job, but you can't put a price on overall education. He might want to go into the more technical side of that job at some point and a good scientific background could be a real help. Also, as a lover of physics myself I could never discourage it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sambiasso 407 Posted 26 February Report Share Posted 26 February I don't tip, having worked in the social care sector and at LRI from my late teens to mid twenties I never got a tip and it was a lot harder work than taking plates from a kitchen to a table and back again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Webbo 17,431 Posted 26 February Report Share Posted 26 February 2 hours ago, The Bear said: If the food was bad and the cutlery filthy I'd not go there again or just walk out. And then the waiter would get nothing. His tips depend on more people than just him, so they should get a share. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tuna 14,136 Posted 26 February Report Share Posted 26 February Bacon is overrated. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
peach0000 2,212 Posted 26 February Report Share Posted 26 February Just now, Tuna said: Bacon is overrated. To be more specific. Bacon ruins burgers for me I never get why restaurants love to stick it on all of them. I don't mind the stuff but it's definitely overused. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Izzy 24,006 Posted 26 February Report Share Posted 26 February 41 minutes ago, Tuna said: Bacon is overrated. Potential thread winner right there. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Facecloth 13,886 Posted 26 February Report Share Posted 26 February 43 minutes ago, Tuna said: Bacon is overrated. Bacon is better than Tuna 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Bear 4,073 Posted 26 February Report Share Posted 26 February Streaky bacon (aka American bacon) is shite. 90% fat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
UpTheLeagueFox 10,935 Posted 27 February Report Share Posted 27 February 4 hours ago, Tuna said: Bacon is overrated. Red card. C'mon Mods! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ozleicester 7,470 Posted 27 February Report Share Posted 27 February even as a veggie..bacon tempts me 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Oxlong 8,372 Posted 27 February Report Share Posted 27 February (edited) 8 hours ago, Tuna said: Bacon is overrated. Richard or Sir Francis ? Edited 27 February by Mike Oxlong 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vacamion 12,430 Posted 27 February Report Share Posted 27 February 8 hours ago, Tuna said: Bacon is overrated. North American bacon? Dry, insubstantial or rock hard stuff, yeah, maybe. The moist and flexible UK version you put in a cob with brown sauce? You are havin a giraffe. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jon the Hat 4,419 Posted 27 February Report Share Posted 27 February 8 hours ago, Tuna said: Bacon is overrated. You aren’t eating the right bacon! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jon the Hat 4,419 Posted 27 February Report Share Posted 27 February 7 hours ago, The Bear said: Streaky bacon (aka American bacon) is shite. 90% fat. If it’s good the fat can be the best bit! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blarmy 217 Posted 27 February Report Share Posted 27 February 9 hours ago, peach0000 said: To be more specific. Bacon ruins burgers for me I never get why restaurants love to stick it on all of them. I don't mind the stuff but it's definitely overused. So true. Good bacon in a cob, happy days. In a burger - no. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Samilktray 4,060 Posted 27 February Report Share Posted 27 February 9 hours ago, Tuna said: Bacon is overrated. I actually agree with you. Any form of pork is grim imo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Line-X 3,086 Posted 27 February Report Share Posted 27 February 10 hours ago, Tuna said: Bacon is overrated. So is tuna. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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