Kitchandro Posted 23 October 2017 Share Posted 23 October 2017 7 minutes ago, BenTheFox said: For me Dyche is hands down the best option. Pellegrini would only be short term and I don't know if he's the man to lead a rebuilding job. Again, I don't know why people think we need a rebuilding job? We need to sign players to improve the squad, like every club every season. We don't need to rip things up and start again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted 23 October 2017 Share Posted 23 October 2017 28 minutes ago, Babylon said: Some pretty wild swings of position in there. Haven't checked but managing clubs in France you are always likely to have big players snatched in the summer after a good year. Can be hard to find consistency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 23 October 2017 Share Posted 23 October 2017 1 minute ago, Kitchandro said: Again, I don't know why people think we need a rebuilding job? We need to sign players to improve the squad, like every club every season. We don't need to rip things up and start again. Most of the squad is either old or shit or completely unproven in this league. Our style of player hasn't worked for a year and a half. The players hold a lot of power and needs someone strong enough to deal with them and the rebuild when we inevitably lose Vardy & Mahrez. We're at a point where we need an identity moving forward, and need someone capable of coming in and being strong enough to sort out all the backroom stuff that has floundered since NP left. Personally I think the job is, or is going to be a bit more than just us needing to sign a few better players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucey Posted 23 October 2017 Share Posted 23 October 2017 3 hours ago, Wymeswold fox said: If Appleton carries on the good form over the next few or more games, from the Swansea game, and gets the nod for the manager position - would you agree with this and give him time/patience etc? Yes, he's inexperienced at this level - but he if does the above and gets it'll be based on merit and that it'd show that he's capable of doing the job? None of the potentially interested candidates at the moment (apart from Dyche) are better than Appleton anyway. I don't see Dyche leaving Burnley mid season for us or Everton tbh. I hope that regardless what happens, Appleton will stay on as either no 1 or no 2. I reckon the board might see it as a compromise with the players for binning their beloved Shakey. Hopefully the caretaker > manager thing doesn't count against him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenTheFox Posted 23 October 2017 Share Posted 23 October 2017 17 minutes ago, Kitchandro said: Again, I don't know why people think we need a rebuilding job? We need to sign players to improve the squad, like every club every season. We don't need to rip things up and start again. Because from the outside it seems like he we have a group of players on big contracts that don't have the same appetite that they used to have. We lack an identity and need someone who is going to develop a real strong team ethos which a group of players want to buy into. I want a manager that has a clear idea of the players he wants to bring in and will invest heavily in the infrastructure of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenTheFox Posted 23 October 2017 Share Posted 23 October 2017 13 minutes ago, Babylon said: Most of the squad is either old or shit or completely unproven in this league. Our style of player hasn't worked for a year and a half. The players hold a lot of power and needs someone strong enough to deal with them and the rebuild when we inevitably lose Vardy & Mahrez. We're at a point where we need an identity moving forward, and need someone capable of coming in and being strong enough to sort out all the backroom stuff that has floundered since NP left. Personally I think the job is, or is going to be a bit more than just us needing to sign a few better players. Hit the nail right on the head. I really wish I could have made my point that articulately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitchandro Posted 23 October 2017 Share Posted 23 October 2017 2 minutes ago, Babylon said: Most of the squad is either old or shit or completely unproven in this league. Our style of player hasn't worked for a year and a half. The players hold a lot of power and needs someone strong enough to deal with them and the rebuild when we inevitably lose Vardy & Mahrez. We're at a point where we need an identity moving forward, and need someone capable of coming in and being strong enough to sort out all the backroom stuff that has floundered since NP left. Personally I think the job is, or is going to be a bit more than just us needing to sign a few better players. What style of play? We haven't got one. For 18 months we've been sitting back trying to play at a slow tempo, so it's no surprise we're not playing well. I have maintained that if we played in the style we did 2 seasons ago we'd be nowhere near the relegation zone. Look at our best performances over the last 18 months, the standout ones amongst mostly crap. Sevilla at home, Liverpool at home, Man City at home. I'd chuck Arsenal this season in there as well (going forward, defensively we were hopeless). The thing they have in common is we played with a high tempo and we pressed. And we were as good in those games as when we won the league. If we played like that every week we'd do ok. Our problem is, as you say, we're playing without an identity now. I think this is the biggest problem. I don't think our squad is crap. I don't think it needs a huge overhaul. Besides, you can't do a mass overhaul, it never works, you need to blend players in slowly. Every new manager will have his own backroom staff and way of doing things. I don't consider that rebuilding, that's just standard. Besides, are they going to be able to bring their own scout in? They're not going to be able to get rid of Rudkin. A rebuilding job to me is like at a club like Sunderland, where there is no real talent on the books whatsoever and they need to bring in some dough by selling a load of them off anyway. We're not in that position, we still have some good players and we're not skint. We do need a long term manager, someone who will transition the title winning team into the next 'generation' if you will, hopefully using the same philosophies. But that is just natural development and improvement that any permanent manager would be expected to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucey Posted 23 October 2017 Share Posted 23 October 2017 22 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: he's certainly look to introduce a better way of retaining possession, I just hope he'd also be mindful of our strengths as a counter attacking and fast team and blend the two. I have read a few bits that he went conservative at Southampton when chronic injuries set in and he realized that defensively they were sound so he could tighten up and pinch goals and see out games which ultimately cost him as they drew and lost far too many in the 2nd part of the season. sounds like ranieri 16/17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mister Posted 23 October 2017 Share Posted 23 October 2017 Get someone who plays all out attacking football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie1999 Posted 23 October 2017 Share Posted 23 October 2017 4 minutes ago, Mr Mister said: Get someone who plays all out attacking football. For that we need a German manager. Don’t get many 0-0 in the bundesliga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenTheFox Posted 23 October 2017 Share Posted 23 October 2017 7 minutes ago, brucey said: sounds like ranieri 16/17 It certainly didn't look like we were trying to retain possession under Ranieri in 16/17. The ball spent most of the time in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitchandro Posted 23 October 2017 Share Posted 23 October 2017 17 minutes ago, BenTheFox said: It certainly didn't look like we were trying to retain possession under Ranieri in 16/17. The ball spent most of the time in the air. We didn't retain possession when we won the league either. The difference was we no longer had movement and options off the ball so passes were going to the opposition rather than in the net in the space of 15 seconds. People might get sick of me repeating myself but I can't be doing with anyone talking about possession like it's an important stat or something we need to be doing. On its own it's meaningless. Goals are what's important. You find the best way to score goals and for us it was about winning the ball high up the pitch and throwing men forward to support when we do. And it still should be. It's extremely difficult to play against without negating your own threat. This isn't a dig at you by the way, just a reference to the original point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 23 October 2017 Share Posted 23 October 2017 26 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said: For that we need a German manager. Don’t get many 0-0 in the bundesliga Markus Weinzierl - let go by Schalke after two mediocre seasons but took Augsburg from the second tier to Europa league football within four seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justfoxes Posted 23 October 2017 Share Posted 23 October 2017 2 hours ago, ARM1968 said: Tbf to the big guy he does generally deliver over Christmas, and we all know that’s a difficult time in the footballing calendar. Right then let’s get the Daily Snail & Paddy Power to pop The big Red man as a 5-1 fav for the Leicester hot seat he’ll probably want to bring Rudy as his assistant and I can’t see him being too Elfish at all when it comes to Appleton !!???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenTheFox Posted 23 October 2017 Share Posted 23 October 2017 3 minutes ago, Kitchandro said: We didn't retain possession when we won the league either. The difference was we no longer had movement and options off the ball so passes were going to the opposition rather than in the net in the space of 15 seconds. People might get sick of me repeating myself but I can't be doing with anyone talking about possession like it's an important stat or something we need to be doing. On its own it's meaningless. Goals are what's important. You find the best way to score goals and for us it was about winning the ball high up the pitch and throwing men forward to support when we do. And it still should be. It's extremely difficult to play against without negating your own threat. This isn't a dig at you by the way, just a reference to the original point. I agree with you on that. The points you've made are exactly why Sean Dyche is my first choice for the job. His style of football coincides with what we're best at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARM1968 Posted 23 October 2017 Share Posted 23 October 2017 Is that where you want us to stay? Hire gravel gob because we’re one trick ponies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bboy Posted 23 October 2017 Share Posted 23 October 2017 Where's Bob Weasel Fox? We need an updated list of contenders for the job to vote for on this poll. Be interesting to see Dyche, Puel, Pellegrini on there etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenTheFox Posted 23 October 2017 Share Posted 23 October 2017 1 minute ago, ARM1968 said: Is that where you want us to stay? Hire gravel gob because we’re one trick ponies? If you want us to play pretty football then the likelihood is we'll need a much higher turnover of players. He'd have far more money to spend here than at Burnley so will have the opportunity to push higher up the table. We'll never know the true extent of what he's capable of unless he's given the oppotunity whether that's here, Everton or elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Eaton Fox Posted 23 October 2017 Share Posted 23 October 2017 Don't know about anyone else but I'm scared about the lack of suitable applicants and who we might end up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 23 October 2017 Author Share Posted 23 October 2017 25 minutes ago, Bboy said: Where's Bob Weasel Fox? We need an updated list of contenders for the job to vote for on this poll. Be interesting to see Dyche, Puel, Pellegrini on there etc. A up bud i will try and Update the list as soon as I can? If I can? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bboy Posted 23 October 2017 Share Posted 23 October 2017 Just now, Bob Weasel Fox said: A up bud i will try and Update the list as soon as I can? If I can? Awesome! Obviously, leave yourself on there with the other serious contenders #voteBob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weller54 Posted 23 October 2017 Share Posted 23 October 2017 26 minutes ago, Bboy said: Where's Bob Weasel Fox? We need an updated list of contenders for the job to vote for on this poll. Be interesting to see Dyche, Puel, Pellegrini on there etc. Last seen walking round the stadium wearing a sandwich board with 'vote Bob ' on it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 23 October 2017 Author Share Posted 23 October 2017 Just now, weller54 said: Last seen walking round the stadium wearing a sandwich board with 'vote Bob ' on it! #VoteBob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 23 October 2017 Author Share Posted 23 October 2017 37 minutes ago, Long Eaton Fox said: Don't know about anyone else but I'm scared about the lack of suitable applicants and who we might end up with. #VoteBob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enmac Posted 23 October 2017 Share Posted 23 October 2017 How about this guy. Currently out of work. Won the old UEFA cup in 2000.Highly rated by Hagi. Unlike Koeman, Dyche he's got personality.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatih_TerimSent from my Fusion5_108 (16GB) using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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