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Look at our home prem games since christmas (Score. Shots. Chances created)
Saints 1-4 Spurs. Shots 9-17. Chances 6-10.
Saints 1-2 WBA. Shots 10-7. Chances 7-4.
Saints 3-0 Leicester. Shots 20-11. Chances 13-7.
Saints 1-3 West Ham. Shots 22-6. Chances 13-4.
Saints 0-0 Bournemouth. Shots 14-12. Chances 11-5.
Saints 3-1 Palace. Shots 25-17. Chances 17-13.
Saints 0-3 Man City. Shots 8-18. Chances 5-10.
Saints 0-0 Hull. Shots 11-9. Chances 4-7.
Saints 0-2 Arsenal. Shots 14-11. Chances 11-9.
Saints 0-0 Man Utd. Shots 17-11. Chances 10-7.
Saints 0-1 Stoke. Shots 15-14. Chances 8-12.

The only teams that took more shots than us were Spurs and ManCity. So for all the "boring negative football" we were playing, other teams were usually sitting back even more making it harder for us to score.
Saints: 165 shots. 105 chances. 9 goals.
1 goal per 18.3 shots/11.7 chances

Opponents: 133 shots. 88 chances. 16 goals.
1 goal per 8.3 shots/5.5 chances

Our last 11 games under Puel only had 1 bottom 6 team so there weren't many "Easy wins". We played 2nd/3rd/5th/6th/9th/10th/11th/12th/13th/14th/18th.

Our football wasn't anywhere near as boring as the scorelines suggested. Our attacking players just sucked at taking chances and only Spurs, Palace and City attacked us properly with the rest sitting back a lot.

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2 minutes ago, EarlBeaumont said:

Well he does, but in the most French way possible. With an atrocious accent (for our ears at least, as it is supposed to be sexy in England. Maybe he'll charm his way through ^^) and kind of looking for his words. At was like this when he arrived last year, let's just hope he's improuved.

How come Nice badly drifted in the table the next seasons after being 4th?

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2 minutes ago, ZeGuy said:

He still won the league with them though.

Ranieri's English was good enough. In fact he played the press brilliantly during his first season.

 

My point is that during the second he stopped communicating with the players which led to his demise. Inability to get tactical instructions over and changing the formation too often, etc. What worries me is that if bring in a coach with even worse English, it's just asking for history to repeat itself.

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Sounds like a French Nigel Pearson .... So with the language barrier a step down from NP himself.

 

I know it's a bandwagon, but Rudkin does seem to be a problem here ..... We should be getting better candidates than this.

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4 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

Ranieri's English was good enough. In fact he played the press brilliantly during his first season.

 

My point is that during the second he stopped communicating with the players which led to his demise. Inability to get tactical instructions over and changing the formation too often, etc. What worries me is that if bring in a coach with even worse English, it's just asking for history to repeat itself.

Do you know that for sure? Genuine question.

 

I don't know about the barrier language. It certainly helps a lot when you master it but there are quite a few managers who were quite successful in foreing leagues without really speaking the "native" tongue.

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I think he just did what he could with Southampton's boring set of players.

 

442 diamond might work when Silva is here.

 

New RB Dragovic Maguire Fuchs/Chilwell

                        Iborra

              Silva              Ndidi

                        Mahrez 

               Slim/Kel       Vardy

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20 minutes ago, ZeGuy said:

No, I'm not over the moon but I can't in all honesty say he's shit or bad or dull.

 

There are too many contradicting reports. The guy's a hard one to nail. Nice were exciting to see and you can't bring a club back in Europe for the first time since 40 years whilst being shit.

 

Nah, more like using anything bad against the guy to justify the bias and the knee jerk reaction. Who do you think will come here? Anything like Ancelotti, Marco Silva or Pellegrini is wishful thinking. A fan's wet dream. Dyche or Puel it is.

You're just looking at names and wondering which one you'd like best. This isn't like picking a kitten.

 

What's important is to pick the type of manager who will fit into the sort of club we are now. It's about getting the right match between manager and club.

 

Puel sounds like the sort of manager to bring in if your team is a shower-of-shit with bad influences in the dressing room, low morale, no success, no discipline, no tactics etc. He will sort it out. He will come it to a failing club, and lift them up. That's what he did with Nice by the sound of it.

 

He's the French Nigel Pearson.

 

That's not what we need right now. I'm not really concerned about having a 'big name' manager. We need the right type of manager.We have a good squad, good morale, a good style of play etc. We need a style of manager who can come in and continue our success story - like Ranieri did - not rip it up and start again.

 

According to the poster you said I should listen to, Puel is "stubborn and narrow-minded" and won't change his style. Great.

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31 minutes ago, ZeGuy said:

How come Nice badly drifted in the table the next seasons after being 4th?

Various factors.

 

As French clubs don't have any money, they wait until the 31st of August to recruit. Because of this, we lost the play-off of Europa League to Cyprus club APOEL Limassol which kind ok killed the spirit (Puel, to make a statement played with youngster we never saw again, and it is one of the fiercest griefs we have toward him. It actually became a sayong "to make a Limassol"). Cvitanich, our brilliant goalscorer injured himslef a took an eternity to come back at its full level (he never did actually). We also lost our very best CB which was holding the whole defense by himslef. And the recruits were just not a match. It happens.

 

The following year, changes were made, and the year after we finished 4 again and hired Lucien Favre (this guy is a pure genius) and he led us to 3rd place, just shy from PSG and Monaco (we were 1st at christmas break) with a brilliant Balotelli and a brilliant Seri. This season is difficult though, Sneijder not at the level whe expected, Dante being as bad as he was good last year, etc. But we'll see.

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14 minutes ago, KingGTF said:

This is a disaster waiting to happen

Or, he replicates what he did at Southampton, finishes 8th and gets to a cup final....but we win it via a fluke goal off the shin of Okazaki!!! Everyone calls for a statue of Claudio and Puel arm in arm holding up the cup and league trophies!

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9 minutes ago, Fox Ulike said:

You're just looking at names and wondering which one you'd like best. This isn't like picking a kitten.

 

What's important is to pick the type of manager who will fit into the sort of club we are now. It's about getting the right match between manager and club.

 

Puel sounds like the sort of manager to bring in if your team is a shower-of-shit with bad influences in the dressing room, low morale, no success, no discipline, no tactics etc. He will sort it out. He will come it to a failing club, and lift them up. That's what he did with Nice by the sound of it.

 

He's the French Nigel Pearson.

 

That's not what we need right now. I'm not really concerned about having a 'big name' manager. We need the right type of manager.We have a good squad, good morale, a good style of play etc. We need a style of manager who can come in and continue our success story - like Ranieri did - not rip it up and start again.

 

According to the poster you said I should listen to, Puel is "stubborn and narrow-minded" and won't change his style. Great.

I also said he is a great tactician and has a stern grip on the players. Isn't it something you're looking for ?

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17 minutes ago, Fox Ulike said:

You're just looking at names and wondering which one you'd like best. This isn't like picking a kitten.

 

What's important is to pick the type of manager who will fit into the sort of club we are now. It's about getting the right match between manager and club.

 

Puel sounds like the sort of manager to bring in if your team is a shower-of-shit with bad influences in the dressing room, low morale, no success, no discipline, no tactics etc. He will sort it out. He will come it to a failing club, and lift them up. That's what he did with Nice by the sound of it.

 

He's the French Nigel Pearson.

 

That's not what we need right now. I'm not really concerned about having a 'big name' manager. We need the right type of manager.We have a good squad, good morale, a good style of play etc. We need a style of manager who can come in and continue our success story - like Ranieri did - not rip it up and start again.

 

According to the poster you said I should listen to, Puel is "stubborn and narrow-minded" and won't change his style. Great.

Not really. Puel is certainly not my first choice but it doesn't look like we have many options

 

Full agree on that.

 

That'd be a great start to build something. He's bit more tactically astute than Nigel Pearson and won a bit more than him, so there's that.

 

We indeed have a good squad and a good morale but hell if I know which style we actually have.

 

The success story is over and that ship has sailed. Everything went down the drain after the transfer window in summer 2016. We're not attractive anymore, the good coaches and players won't touch us with a barge pole, our best ones are either gone or want to go and we have to rebuild from the ground.

 

So was Ranieri. Most of the managers are. They believe in what they do. When it doesn't pay off they get the sack.

 

Then give me a name.

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His game management when Soton got knocked out of Europe stank

 

That apart I have no reason to doubt his abilities although is he a strong enough character to sort out our dressing room ??

 

would love Rafa but he ain’t coming so this guy will do 

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He's not an exciting choice, and my natural response is a bit 'meh' but I am interested to see his approach.

 

The negative football with Southampton is concerning but lets not pretend we're Manchester City. We have played dull football on the most part for a while now, going back to the second half of the title winning season. We have our moments but generally the counter attacking style has grown to be dull and predictable, we need a change of sorts whilst still keeping elements of the fast attacking play. I didn't watch Southampton too much last year but I think the comparisons to Pulis are unfair.

 

Probably just me but I'll be happy with a couple of 'boring' seasons with mid-table finishes and no threat of relegation or managerial chaos. Its good to be ambitious but it's important not to expect top 6 finishes.

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13 minutes ago, EarlBeaumont said:

Various factors.

 

As French clubs don't have any money, they wait until the 31st of August to recruit. Because of this, we lost the play-off of Europa League to Cyprus Club APOEL Limassol which kind ok killed the spirit (Puel, to make a statement played with youngster we never saw again, and it is one of the firecest griefs we have toward him. It actually became a sayong "to make a Limassol"). Cvitanich, our brilliant goalscorrer injured himslef a took an eternity to comeback at its full level (he never did actually). We also lost our very best CB which holding the whole defense by himslef. And the recruits were just not a match. It happens.

 

The following year, changes were made, and the year after we finished 4 again and hired Lucien Favre (this guy is a pure genius) and he led us to 3rd place, just shy from PSG and Monaco (we were 1st at christmas break) with a brilliant Balotelli and a brilliant Seri. This season is difficult though, Sneijder not at the level whe expected, Dante being as bad as he was good last year, etc. But we'll see.

Ha, that's why you lost to them. It certainly sucks, but that's quite the statement.

 

Favre is a cracking signing, would have loved to see him here. Sneijder spent quite some time in the turkish league and I think Dante is past his best. It seems you won't expect a lot from this season then.

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3 hours ago, hackenbacker said:

From Wiki

 

just saying...... I make no opinion..... everyone should be given a chance to prove themselves :)

 

"Puel was particularly criticised for his defensive tactics, with Southampton's scoring record one of the poorest in the league"

 

Team From To Record        
      G W D L Win %
Monaco 13-Jan-99 30-Jun-01 91 44 16 31 48.35
Lille 1-Jul-02 17-Jun-08 298 119 94 85 39.93
Lyon 18-Jun-08 20-Jun-11 154 74 44 36 48.05
Nice 23-May-12 24-May-16 167 68 37 62 40.72
Southampton 30-Jun-16 14-Jun-17 53 20 13 20 37.74
Total     763 325 204 234

42.6

 

Won more than he's lost with every team he's managed bar Southampton (which was his first season outside France) and who still punched above their weight in terms of league position under him (despite losing a host of core players like Mane). They were also very unlucky not to win the league cup final. That's not a bad starting point.

If his teams don't score many, they obviously don't concede many either and we require stability right now.

If he comes, hopefully he will provide that stability.

 

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8 minutes ago, EarlBeaumont said:

I also said he is a great tactician and has a stern grip on the players. Isn't it something you're looking for ?

Not if his preferred tactics don't suit the sort of players who I know we have at the club. I don't want a manager who is playing a style he doesn't believe in, nor do I want players playing a style that doesn't suit them. It seems one of these two things will happen with Puel in charge.

 

And these players don't need a 'stern grip'. They have a great team spirit, are motivated and committed to the club. They need somebody who will inspire them, not treat them like kids. We've gone past the stage of needing a disciplianarian. It could have a negative effect on these players.

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14 minutes ago, EarlBeaumont said:

I also said he is a great tactician and has a stern grip on the players. Isn't it something you're looking for ?

Isn't there a saying in french like "if you want to kill your dog you say it's rabbid?"

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I really want this to work but my gut instinct is that this will be dull and mediocre AT BEST. At worst it feels like there's potential for awful football, squad disharmony, a relegation battle and our best players wanting out. 

 

Hopefully im well wide of the mark!!!

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