Buce Posted 5 December 2017 Share Posted 5 December 2017 Why hasn't the world copied it? https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/05/portugals-radical-drugs-policy-is-working-why-hasnt-the-world-copied-it Sorry, the article is far too long to paste it, but it's a fascinating read giving a fairly compelling argument, and I think it would be interesting to hear the views of the prohibitionists on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogstanley Posted 5 December 2017 Share Posted 5 December 2017 Why hasn't it been copied, because fuddy duddy's won't look past the daily mail scare story headlines about more Portuguese youth admitting using cannabis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellend Sebastian Posted 5 December 2017 Share Posted 5 December 2017 As I said in the What's Changed about Leicester thread, you can smell cannabis practically everywhere you go now so the enforcement of that is really working well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 5 December 2017 Share Posted 5 December 2017 33 minutes ago, Bellend Sebastian said: As I said in the What's Changed about Leicester thread, you can smell cannabis practically everywhere you go now so the enforcement of that is really working well I often do maintenance work at halls of residence for universities across the country, we usually do the bedrooms in one hit over a week or two. Id wager near on 50% of the rooms stink of weed overall. If they don’t stink of weed they stink of something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jattdogg Posted 5 December 2017 Share Posted 5 December 2017 3 minutes ago, Strokes said: I often do maintenance work at halls of residence for universities across the country, we usually do the bedrooms in one hit over a week or two. Id wager near on 50% of the rooms stink of weed overall. If they don’t stink of weed they stink of something else. The smell of muff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellend Sebastian Posted 5 December 2017 Share Posted 5 December 2017 7 minutes ago, Strokes said: I often do maintenance work at halls of residence for universities across the country, we usually do the bedrooms in one hit over a week or two. Id wager near on 50% of the rooms stink of weed overall. If they don’t stink of weed they stink of something else. Well that's what I'd expect from those goddamn longhairs, but in the last few years I seem to be smelling it in increasingly random places, like in supermarket car parks and basically any outdoor event, anywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innovindil Posted 5 December 2017 Share Posted 5 December 2017 46 minutes ago, Bellend Sebastian said: As I said in the What's Changed about Leicester thread, you can smell cannabis practically everywhere you go now so the enforcement of that is really working well The whole idea of this war on drugs is ****ing daft. I watched one of those cop shows a few months back, they raided a house in a drug bust. Man and woman owned the house and lived there. Found a cannabis farm in the attic, couldn't charge them as they said they didn't know they had an attic What's the point really. Just wasting money. Regulate drugs. Tax them. Use money for the problem druggies. Then you won't have kids dying from taking some bullshit and you won't be wasting police hours in futile drugs raids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 5 December 2017 Share Posted 5 December 2017 1 minute ago, Bellend Sebastian said: Well that's what I'd expect from those goddamn longhairs, but in the last few years I seem to be smelling it in increasingly random places, like in supermarket car parks and basically any outdoor event, anywhere Are you sure you haven’t just got some in your coat pocket? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellend Sebastian Posted 5 December 2017 Share Posted 5 December 2017 21 minutes ago, Strokes said: Are you sure you haven’t just got some in your coat pocket? You think I haven't checked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobHawk Posted 5 December 2017 Share Posted 5 December 2017 Time to legalise imp, the taxes gathered would certainly help the economy. Gonna happen across more US states soon as they need the money 2. Canada's next though, we are way behind the times when it comes to weed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 5 December 2017 Share Posted 5 December 2017 9 hours ago, Buce said: Why hasn't the world copied it? https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/05/portugals-radical-drugs-policy-is-working-why-hasnt-the-world-copied-it Sorry, the article is far too long to paste it, but it's a fascinating read giving a fairly compelling argument, and I think it would be interesting to hear the views of the prohibitionists on here. Personally I'd take a tougher line than we currently do as I fundamentally disagree with the idea cannabis does no damage. Life sentence for supplying, minimum 5 years for dealing, significant money into enforcement. I'd also completely ban tobacco. Don't worry, I'll allow you alcohol though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogstanley Posted 5 December 2017 Share Posted 5 December 2017 Just now, toddybad said: Personally I'd take a tougher line than we currently do as I fundamentally disagree with the idea cannabis does no damage. Life sentence for supplying, minimum 5 years for dealing, significant money into enforcement. I'd also completely ban tobacco. Don't worry, I'll allow you alcohol though! Toddy the Tory! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted 5 December 2017 Share Posted 5 December 2017 As a fundamental point of principle I agree with Toddy. I think the notion that drugs aren't harmful is bollocks. They are. Some of them might be less harmful of alcohol, which makes a mockery of the law, but they are still harmful and the people producing and supplying them are still *****. Even if cocaine was legal, the coca still has to come from somewhere pretty dodge. That said, the evidence that legalisation reduces the societal and public health impact of drugs is really quite compelling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 5 December 2017 Share Posted 5 December 2017 6 minutes ago, toddybad said: Personally I'd take a tougher line than we currently do as I fundamentally disagree with the idea cannabis does no damage. Life sentence for supplying, minimum 5 years for dealing, significant money into enforcement. I'd also completely ban tobacco. Don't worry, I'll allow you alcohol though! Bang on torybad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 5 December 2017 Share Posted 5 December 2017 4 minutes ago, Webbo said: Bang on torybad. Further right than WRM, less of a cnut than Michael Gove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 5 December 2017 Author Share Posted 5 December 2017 18 minutes ago, toddybad said: Personally I'd take a tougher line than we currently do as I fundamentally disagree with the idea cannabis does no damage. Life sentence for supplying, minimum 5 years for dealing, significant money into enforcement. I'd also completely ban tobacco. Don't worry, I'll allow you alcohol though! The hypocrisy of that is astounding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 5 December 2017 Share Posted 5 December 2017 I’m not convinced legalising drugs (heroin/crack etc) that are seriously addictive would be the right choice, not that having them illegal is working. I’m neither here nor their with cannabis or ecstasy, for most users it is quite harmless and it happens regardless. Legalise it and tax it, is probably an option we should be looking at now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl the Llama Posted 5 December 2017 Share Posted 5 December 2017 34 minutes ago, toddybad said: Personally I'd take a tougher line than we currently do as I fundamentally disagree with the idea cannabis does no damage. Life sentence for supplying, minimum 5 years for dealing, significant money into enforcement. I'd also completely ban tobacco. Don't worry, I'll allow you alcohol though! It's ok to provide a substance responsible for thousands of deaths a year but cannabis with its death toll of nil deserves a life sentence? You might want to reconsider your position pal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nnfox Posted 5 December 2017 Share Posted 5 December 2017 The article had too many words and not enough pictures. Either legalise all drugs, regulate it, tax it and sell it at Boots, OR go zero tolerance on all drugs. Really tough sentences for simple possession, don't worry about having to prove the "supply" element. Do away with classifications, it's either a controlled substance or it isn't, none of this class A, B or C, this creates too much of a grey area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted 5 December 2017 Share Posted 5 December 2017 15 minutes ago, nnfox said: The article had too many words and not enough pictures. Either legalise all drugs, regulate it, tax it and sell it at Boots, OR go zero tolerance on all drugs. Really tough sentences for simple possession, don't worry about having to prove the "supply" element. Do away with classifications, it's either a controlled substance or it isn't, none of this class A, B or C, this creates too much of a grey area. This would have wider implications, drug control in that sense is actually probably more applicable to prescribers and dispensers of medication than drug abusers. Codeine for example is a controlled drug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 5 December 2017 Share Posted 5 December 2017 22 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: It's ok to provide a substance responsible for thousands of deaths a year but cannabis with its death toll of nil deserves a life sentence? You might want to reconsider your position pal. The position on alcohol is hypocritical. The idea cannabis is responsible for zero deaths is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 5 December 2017 Share Posted 5 December 2017 45 minutes ago, Buce said: The hypocrisy of that is astounding. Indeed. Presumably you don't want all three banned though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted 5 December 2017 Share Posted 5 December 2017 26 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: It's ok to provide a substance responsible for thousands of deaths a year but cannabis with its death toll of nil deserves a life sentence? You might want to reconsider your position pal. The evidence for cannabis-related mortality is poor and conflicting. It's hubris to say there are 0 deaths related to cannabis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl the Llama Posted 5 December 2017 Share Posted 5 December 2017 59 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: Toddy the Tory! 53 minutes ago, Webbo said: Bang on torybad. Surely any Tory worth their salt would want unregulated free market competition in the drugs industry? 1 minute ago, toddybad said: The position on alcohol is hypocritical. The idea cannabis is responsible for zero deaths is ridiculous. I'd be interested to hear in greater detail what you base your opinion on. Your views seem to me to stand in opposition to the scientific consensus on the drug's harm. 1 minute ago, Bryn said: The evidence for cannabis-related mortality is poor and conflicting. It's hubris to say there are 0 deaths related to cannabis. It's not hubris to say there are 0 deaths directly linked to the consumption of cannabis. If you want to look up research on indirect deaths and compare it with other drugs I won't stop you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boots60 Posted 5 December 2017 Share Posted 5 December 2017 34 minutes ago, nnfox said: The article had too many words and not enough pictures. Either legalise all drugs, regulate it, tax it and sell it at Boots, OR go zero tolerance on all drugs. Really tough sentences for simple possession, don't worry about having to prove the "supply" element. Do away with classifications, it's either a controlled substance or it isn't, none of this class A, B or C, this creates too much of a grey area. Sell it at Boots. Bring it on. Presriptions counter or the leisure section? I'd love to see the look of shock on the faces of the orange ladies on the perfume stands as they discover their new found customers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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