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Jattdogg

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Vancouver housing and rental is the highest in canada. Its insane so expect wages to be higher.

 

They have milder weather all year round and winters are nowhere near as brutal as any other province.

 

Im not too sure about the working part. When my sis in law moved here from england she had to wait a year before working. In terms if coming as a skilled tradesmen that might be possible. Chekc out the canadian govt website.

 

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/express-entry/eligibility/skilled-trades.html#minimum

 

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/work-canada/permit/temporary/eligibility.html

 

 

We do have some vancouver foxes..

 

@Molson Canadian

 

@biggs

 

@Samwise

 

 

 

They can talk to you more about vancouver.

 

What exactly do you do in the building industry? 

 

Its a definite change to live here but most englanders love how canada is beautiful and spacious.....food and pub life doesnt compare to england at all though. If your a social butterfly the canadian way is tough to get used to.

 

 

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Vancouver's great. I've been here 8 years now and it feels like home for me.

 

Apart from the money factor it's an incredibly livable city - it's beautiful, safe, the people are friendly enough, and there's plenty to do, especially if you're the outdoors type.

 

There's not a lot a lot of culture to speak of but we do have a mediocre MLS team. Like @Jattdogg says, it's very different to the UK in ways that you might not expect, so its best to have an open mind and just take it for what it is. I've seen plenty of people here struggle with their time abroad because it's not exactly like their home.

 

If you're only thinking of staying a year, or you reckon you can wrangle sponsorship while you're here, and you're under 34 years old, your best is a working holiday visa. Take a look at International Experience Canada. It's very easy to get and will let you work anywhere in Canada with very few restrictions.

 

Feel free to reach out if you have any specific questions.

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Kopfkino

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Switzerland.

I have a grad job offer in Zurich but am really 50/50 whether to take it or not. I'd love to move to Europe to work for a while and I have little hesitation about Switzerland as a country. Salary is good, 85-90k CHF +bonus, although I'm not exactly sure how the cost of living differs from London to know exactly how good it is relatively speaking. I'll be 23 when it starts so it's exactly the kind of time to go and do this sort of thing, plus the programme is 18 months at which point I could well have the opportunity to transfer to the London office or come back to find another job in London, so if I hated things there it's relatively easy to get out. The job is a good one and is along the lines of what I want to do though not exactly. Also I don't yet have a UK offer so it's currently the only offer on the table and whilst I'm sure I'll get something at some point, it's unlikely now that the salary would be as high though ofc money isn't everything. 

 

But my main concerns are twofold. I'm not sure how I feel moving to a city where my grasp of the local language isn't fantastic. I have some German capabilities but nowhere near enough to get by at this stage. There will probably be others at the firm in the same situation which would help and there's a British contingent but it still feels uncomfortable in my mind. I got homesick to begin with just moving to London. Second, I don't really know if I want to leave at this stage. Mum has incurable cancer so it scares me to leave the country and be able to see my family less as you only have one chance to spend life with family and when they're gone, they're gone. Being away from it all might feel isolating and I don't know how to phrase what I'm thinking but I don't want to feel like I'm leaving it all behind and detaching myself.

 

Oh also, 16 weeks are spent in a different international office which is again another great experience for me but will probably see me further from home and more detached from people. 

 

In my mind, it's something I want to do but it's not quite the right time. 

What to do?

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lifted*fox

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chuck yourself in and ****ing do it - it's 18 months and a quick flight if you need to come home to see your mum

 

it's a bit scary but it sounds like a great opportunity. 

 

you'll get to experience somewhere new, make new friends, date hot swiss women / men / both / why not 

 

decent salary and will look siiiiiick on the CV.

 

do ittttt do itttt do itttttt

 

ooh - also, i know someone who knows someone who moved to Geneva for work for 2 years and she ****ing loved it. 

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MC Prussian

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On 03/10/2018 at 20:29, whoareyaaa said:

I'm seriously thinking of moving over to Canada to work and live, does anyone know how to go about this or have done this themselves, are there any restrictions? 

 

I have a qualifications in the building industry and there seems to be a few jobs knocking about even If I was to do it for 12 months, any info would be appreciated.

Immigration is based on a points system, and the requirements change from year to year, depending on the industries that need more foreign influx and depending on your job qualifications/skill level.

 

Obviously, having a company putting in a good word for you/having proof they desperately need you above anyone else from the domestic job market helps a lot.

 

You'd be best checking out the FSTP:

http://www.workpermit.com/immigration/canada/canada-federal-skilled-trades-program

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5 minutes ago, Kopfkino said:

Switzerland.

 

What to do?

What lifted said, do it, you'll regret it if you don't. The thing with your Mum must be very tough, I'm sorry to hear it. But she will understand, and it's not far away. And, if it doesn't work out, come back. I used to get very homesick but moving abroad helped with that.

 

I was also 23 when I moved and I wish I could go back and experience it all again. 

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1 hour ago, Kopfkino said:

Switzerland.

I have a grad job offer in Zurich but am really 50/50 whether to take it or not. I'd love to move to Europe to work for a while and I have little hesitation about Switzerland as a country. Salary is good, 85-90k CHF +bonus, although I'm not exactly sure how the cost of living differs from London to know exactly how good it is relatively speaking. I'll be 23 when it starts so it's exactly the kind of time to go and do this sort of thing, plus the programme is 18 months at which point I could well have the opportunity to transfer to the London office or come back to find another job in London, so if I hated things there it's relatively easy to get out. The job is a good one and is along the lines of what I want to do though not exactly. Also I don't yet have a UK offer so it's currently the only offer on the table and whilst I'm sure I'll get something at some point, it's unlikely now that the salary would be as high though ofc money isn't everything. 

 

But my main concerns are twofold. I'm not sure how I feel moving to a city where my grasp of the local language isn't fantastic. I have some German capabilities but nowhere near enough to get by at this stage. There will probably be others at the firm in the same situation which would help and there's a British contingent but it still feels uncomfortable in my mind. I got homesick to begin with just moving to London. Second, I don't really know if I want to leave at this stage. Mum has incurable cancer so it scares me to leave the country and be able to see my family less as you only have one chance to spend life with family and when they're gone, they're gone. Being away from it all might feel isolating and I don't know how to phrase what I'm thinking but I don't want to feel like I'm leaving it all behind and detaching myself.

 

Oh also, 16 weeks are spent in a different international office which is again another great experience for me but will probably see me further from home and more detached from people. 

 

In my mind, it's something I want to do but it's not quite the right time. 

What to do?

What's the job - can you be more precise? It'd help with regards to the language skills required.

Keep in mind that most people in your age bracket over here speak English fairly well, so I don't see much of a hindrance there.

 

With regards to staying in touch with the family, cheap-ish flights to London are easily available several times a day (to all major London airports, including London City). It's roughly 90 minutes a flight and with today's internet technology, you can still be close to home whilst working abroad.

 

However, renting a place in the Zürich area is highly time-consuming and expensive, the market is pretty much dry. Many decent places switch renters underhand or if they are advertised publicly, expect long queues. For a decent one-bedroom city apartment with living room, dining room, kitchen and toilet/shower you're expected to dish out in the region of 3'000 Swiss Francs or more per month, that's a third or more of your monthly salary gone.

However, the further away from the city you get, the cheaper it becomes. I commute to Zürich on an almost daily basis. One hour door-to-door, I'm used to it.

Other cost factors: Progressive income tax, health insurance (around 300 to 400 Swiss Francs a month), social security (10% of your income; although you and the employer share half of the costs, so only a 5% final cut on your salary), getting around (public transportation with a monthly pass sets you back another 200 to 300 Swiss Francs). Food can be expensive (expect at least CHF 800 to 1'000 a month), but only if you don't know where to go instead.

 

Having said that, despite the higher living costs, it's a great place to live, everything is close, it's international, plenty of culture in the city, international airport only ten to fifteen minutes away by train from the city center, it's still squeaky-clean overall, great public transportation (still), mountains can be reached within an hour, one hour and a half. Within two to three hours, you're in the South and in Ticino, where it's pretty much like in Italy.

 

If I were you, I'd take the opportunity. If life here doesn't suit you, I suppose you can always quit earlier than having to spend 18 months straight, no?

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3 hours ago, Kopfkino said:

Switzerland.

I have a grad job offer in Zurich but am really 50/50 whether to take it or not. I'd love to move to Europe to work for a while and I have little hesitation about Switzerland as a country. Salary is good, 85-90k CHF +bonus, although I'm not exactly sure how the cost of living differs from London to know exactly how good it is relatively speaking. I'll be 23 when it starts so it's exactly the kind of time to go and do this sort of thing, plus the programme is 18 months at which point I could well have the opportunity to transfer to the London office or come back to find another job in London, so if I hated things there it's relatively easy to get out. The job is a good one and is along the lines of what I want to do though not exactly. Also I don't yet have a UK offer so it's currently the only offer on the table and whilst I'm sure I'll get something at some point, it's unlikely now that the salary would be as high though ofc money isn't everything. 

 

But my main concerns are twofold. I'm not sure how I feel moving to a city where my grasp of the local language isn't fantastic. I have some German capabilities but nowhere near enough to get by at this stage. There will probably be others at the firm in the same situation which would help and there's a British contingent but it still feels uncomfortable in my mind. I got homesick to begin with just moving to London. Second, I don't really know if I want to leave at this stage. Mum has incurable cancer so it scares me to leave the country and be able to see my family less as you only have one chance to spend life with family and when they're gone, they're gone. Being away from it all might feel isolating and I don't know how to phrase what I'm thinking but I don't want to feel like I'm leaving it all behind and detaching myself.

 

Oh also, 16 weeks are spent in a different international office which is again another great experience for me but will probably see me further from home and more detached from people. 

 

In my mind, it's something I want to do but it's not quite the right time. 

What to do?

In my short life experience, you rarely regret the things you do in life for any great length of time. It’s the things you don’t that always weigh on the mind.

He who dares Rodders......

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4 hours ago, Kopfkino said:

Switzerland.

I have a grad job offer in Zurich but am really 50/50 whether to take it or not. I'd love to move to Europe to work for a while and I have little hesitation about Switzerland as a country. Salary is good, 85-90k CHF +bonus, although I'm not exactly sure how the cost of living differs from London to know exactly how good it is relatively speaking. I'll be 23 when it starts so it's exactly the kind of time to go and do this sort of thing, plus the programme is 18 months at which point I could well have the opportunity to transfer to the London office or come back to find another job in London, so if I hated things there it's relatively easy to get out. The job is a good one and is along the lines of what I want to do though not exactly. Also I don't yet have a UK offer so it's currently the only offer on the table and whilst I'm sure I'll get something at some point, it's unlikely now that the salary would be as high though ofc money isn't everything. 

 

But my main concerns are twofold. I'm not sure how I feel moving to a city where my grasp of the local language isn't fantastic. I have some German capabilities but nowhere near enough to get by at this stage. There will probably be others at the firm in the same situation which would help and there's a British contingent but it still feels uncomfortable in my mind. I got homesick to begin with just moving to London. Second, I don't really know if I want to leave at this stage. Mum has incurable cancer so it scares me to leave the country and be able to see my family less as you only have one chance to spend life with family and when they're gone, they're gone. Being away from it all might feel isolating and I don't know how to phrase what I'm thinking but I don't want to feel like I'm leaving it all behind and detaching myself.

 

Oh also, 16 weeks are spent in a different international office which is again another great experience for me but will probably see me further from home and more detached from people. 

 

In my mind, it's something I want to do but it's not quite the right time. 

What to do?

I think you should definitely go. It's a shit situation regarding your Mum, and I am truly sorry that you are facing that. But the shit situation will still remain if you stay at home, and in Switzerland you won't be too far away, and I'm guessing but she probably won't want to hold you back. 

I had a similar opportunity over 20 years ago, and I didn't take it. It's one of the biggest regrets of my life. 

Trust me, if you don't try it one day you'll be mid forties and wishing you had. 

 

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4 hours ago, Kopfkino said:

But my main concerns are twofold. I'm not sure how I feel moving to a city where my grasp of the local language isn't fantastic. I have some German capabilities but nowhere near enough to get by at this stage

Swiss German isn't High German and it's not intelligible for even native German speakers most of the time. The standard of English in Switzerland is one of the best in the world too which you probably already knew. I'd imagine there wouldn't be any 'hostility' with not knowing the language like there could be in other places

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14 hours ago, Dr The Singh said:

I nearly moved abroad, but the language and people weren't right for me................Wales has a Weird smell as well.

Have you met Finnegan (now waiting for Swan Lesta to jump in)?

 

10 hours ago, Jattdogg said:

They've got 0 women,  just sheep.

and Finnegan.

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32 minutes ago, FIF said:

Have you met Finnegan (now waiting for Swan Lesta to jump in)?

 

and Finnegan.

I've met Finnegan a few times actually, i've even drank with him

 

I had a 3 some with him and his girlfriend (Sheppy the SHeep) aswell

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2 minutes ago, Max Wall said:

That wasn't about you Jatt :thumbup:

In the spirit of this thread, i love it here in Canada but the winter can fcuk right off. I'd rather sit in my sweaty underwear then this cold depressing weather. Its only going to get worse.

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On 05/12/2018 at 16:09, Kopfkino said:

Switzerland.

I have a grad job offer in Zurich but am really 50/50 whether to take it or not. I'd love to move to Europe to work for a while and I have little hesitation about Switzerland as a country. Salary is good, 85-90k CHF +bonus, although I'm not exactly sure how the cost of living differs from London to know exactly how good it is relatively speaking. I'll be 23 when it starts so it's exactly the kind of time to go and do this sort of thing, plus the programme is 18 months at which point I could well have the opportunity to transfer to the London office or come back to find another job in London, so if I hated things there it's relatively easy to get out. The job is a good one and is along the lines of what I want to do though not exactly. Also I don't yet have a UK offer so it's currently the only offer on the table and whilst I'm sure I'll get something at some point, it's unlikely now that the salary would be as high though ofc money isn't everything. 

 

But my main concerns are twofold. I'm not sure how I feel moving to a city where my grasp of the local language isn't fantastic. I have some German capabilities but nowhere near enough to get by at this stage. There will probably be others at the firm in the same situation which would help and there's a British contingent but it still feels uncomfortable in my mind. I got homesick to begin with just moving to London. Second, I don't really know if I want to leave at this stage. Mum has incurable cancer so it scares me to leave the country and be able to see my family less as you only have one chance to spend life with family and when they're gone, they're gone. Being away from it all might feel isolating and I don't know how to phrase what I'm thinking but I don't want to feel like I'm leaving it all behind and detaching myself.

 

Oh also, 16 weeks are spent in a different international office which is again another great experience for me but will probably see me further from home and more detached from people. 

 

In my mind, it's something I want to do but it's not quite the right time. 

What to do?

The right time never happens, there is always something that can make you say it’s not the right time.

 

I understand your mother situation, but flights are plentiful and opportunity doesn’t come knocking all the time.

 

At 23 your CV would look brilliant moving abroad, especially to such an amazing place as Switzerland.

 

Learning a different culture, a new language, new friends and everything that comes with a new job and country is a great opportunity and one I would personally take. 

 

Like I say, it’s easy to come back and your CV won’t be damaged as you will have been seen to want to do well and improve your situation.

 

No brainer, just be prepared for a difficult time while your mother is ill with regards to travelling back and forth.

 

On top of all that, Switzerland is an amazing country. 

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