On our way... Posted 6 August 2018 Share Posted 6 August 2018 We need a plan B if Slim and Ulloa are not in Puel's plans but no, no, no. Salomon Rondon any day over one of the Stoke bench warmers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerard Posted 6 August 2018 Share Posted 6 August 2018 1 minute ago, mikey54 said: Players in their mid 20s who will never be good enough for our first team? Jamie Vardy turned out alright - and from a non league club Yes there is always exceptions. For every example you can give me I'll give you 1,000 examples of players who weren't that great at 25/26 and never were any better at 30. Ward and Ghezzal have been at top level clubs since they were teenagers and still aren't top players. Vardy was working in a factory at 23. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Wall Posted 6 August 2018 Share Posted 6 August 2018 35 minutes ago, surrifox said: If someone at Stoke genuinely rejected a 10 mill bid for this clown - that would be grounds for contract termination right there Corrected 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Wall Posted 6 August 2018 Share Posted 6 August 2018 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Gerard said: I loved our transfer business at the start. We've made far too many average signings at best since the title win that appeared to have little thought in them whatsoever and now we're struggling to move them on. Pereira was rated 10th best right back in the world by 442 magazine. Maddison is 21 and was arguably the best player in the Championship. Evans was a steal at £3.5m when Man City wanted him less than 12 months before but were quoted £30m. No one can really criticise the above signings whether they work out or not as on paper it looks fantastic if you judge them by their profiles. Then we sign Ward to come as our No2 for a world record fee for a reserve GK who by any metric isn't worth that. We then sign another failure from Monaco who they were desperate to get shot off. I just think we're wealthy enough as a club that we shouldn't need to be taking chance on what appears to be two players in their mid 20's who will never be good enough for our first team. Another signing or two with a similar profile to our first three signings should have been the way. I totally agree with you. I replied to your post yesterday regarding the Ghezzal transfer, that we should have held three aces with that one instead of ending up looking like we had an 9 high as a hand. We look to have been bluffed (regarding price only as he may turn out to be a good signing, we don't know yet). We should have dictated the fee and said 'no thanks, keep him' if we felt Monaco were coming the old soldier. They clearly didn't want him. I totally get your frustration, even if Ghazzel turns out to be a snip at £10m, we should have been able to bargain very hard when it came to him (and Ward for that matter). It's pretty disappointing we keep repeating similar mistakes. Edited 6 August 2018 by Max Wall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Wall Posted 6 August 2018 Share Posted 6 August 2018 19 minutes ago, mikey54 said: Players in their mid 20s who will never be good enough for our first team? Jamie Vardy turned out alright - and from a non league club I do get Gerard's point though. It's the fees we're paying for unwanted players when, seemingly, no other clubs are seriously in for them. Ghezzal might turn out to be a good signing but it seems Monaco desperately wanted him off their books. In that scenario, we should have screwed them to the floor on the fee. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumbleFox Posted 6 August 2018 Share Posted 6 August 2018 All this talk of plan B. There really is only one reasonable answer: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 6 August 2018 Share Posted 6 August 2018 20 minutes ago, RumbleFox said: All this talk of plan B. There really is only one reasonable answer: Bring the big lovely bastard back 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerard Posted 6 August 2018 Share Posted 6 August 2018 24 minutes ago, Max Wall said: I do get Gerard's point though. It's the fees we're paying for unwanted players when, seemingly, no other clubs are seriously in for them. Ghezzal might turn out to be a good signing but it seems Monaco desperately wanted him off their books. In that scenario, we should have screwed them to the floor on the fee. It's like buying a house. I've bought houses before that I would have paid the asking price for and possibly even more than that. That's not what negotiations are about though, despite your valuation you have to try a get the price possible. If a house that I value higher than the asking price has been on the market for six months and still not sold I take into account the seller's weakness and maybe offer 90% of the asking price first offer. It's like Simpson, one year left on his contract and has been told he's unwanted. If there is interest from a few clubs we'll probably try and squeeze a couple of million in a transfer fee, if the first offer we get is from a Championship club an hour before the deadline but they want him on a free we'll probably take it. Don't pay or accept what you think something is worth. Get the best price you can what the market dictates. We probably could have had Ghezzal on loan with an option to buy if we sat tight and demanded it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry96 Posted 6 August 2018 Share Posted 6 August 2018 Good job it’s only the sun reporting this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potter Posted 6 August 2018 Share Posted 6 August 2018 Talks of a £10m deal nearing completion (details still to be ironed out but possible medical tomorrow): http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/post/6135842/thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymsey Posted 6 August 2018 Share Posted 6 August 2018 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Potter said: Talks of a £10m deal nearing completion (details still to be ironed out but possible medical tomorrow): http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/post/6135842/thread Sounds like just hearsay rather than from an official source. Edited 6 August 2018 by Wymeswold fox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STUHILL Posted 6 August 2018 Share Posted 6 August 2018 This is terrifying on so many levels! Simply cannot be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgfualol Posted 6 August 2018 Share Posted 6 August 2018 Guaranteed to sign on a long contract and be in the shop window by next Summer because we decided to pay him too much and he is shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potter Posted 6 August 2018 Share Posted 6 August 2018 8 minutes ago, Wymeswold fox said: Sounds like just hearsay rather than from an official source. Oh, indeed. Just typical MB 'ITK' stuff. He does seem to have had some pretty decent info this summer though and first mentioned your interest last week: http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/post/6119614/thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 6 August 2018 Share Posted 6 August 2018 46 minutes ago, Potter said: Talks of a £10m deal nearing completion (details still to be ironed out but possible medical tomorrow): http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/post/6135842/thread 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 6 August 2018 Share Posted 6 August 2018 Hope this does not mean the alleged big name signing hasn`t buggered off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderbyFox Posted 6 August 2018 Share Posted 6 August 2018 This can’t actually be true can it? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozartfox Posted 6 August 2018 Share Posted 6 August 2018 3 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: Hope this does not mean the alleged big name signing hasn`t buggered off Can I repeat myself -not only does this SLB it must be B. If there is any truth in this, then the entire Scouting Team and Rudkin should be flown out to Chop -Chop Square this Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattolcfc Posted 6 August 2018 Share Posted 6 August 2018 8 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: Hope this does not mean the alleged big name signing hasn`t buggered off This is a big name signing, more letters in his name than the average footballer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 6 August 2018 Share Posted 6 August 2018 Yeah, but each of his names is quite small in isolation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheppyFox Posted 6 August 2018 Share Posted 6 August 2018 Ive only had a quick read but stoke fans seem to rate him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 6 August 2018 Share Posted 6 August 2018 Honest to ****ing god, is someone actively trying to sabotage us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzell Posted 6 August 2018 Share Posted 6 August 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 6 August 2018 Share Posted 6 August 2018 Just now, SheppyFox said: Ive only had a quick read but stoke fans seem to rate him? I'm yet to see anything positive! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 6 August 2018 Share Posted 6 August 2018 We just need an insider to put us out of our misery..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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