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2 hours ago, Spudulike said:

Why was he surprised ?? Nice little sneer on his face when he said Leicester. Not all pundits make it quite so obvious.

To be fair to him, he rightly called us a top 6 team after his wonder goal last season. 

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6 hours ago, Toddybad said:

The world's press were almost universally loving our story - it sold papers across the globe. You're being incredibly touchy imo

The world's press is not who I'm talking about. Go back to articles and any clips you can find of Souness and Merson etc from that season. They couldn't stand what little Leicester were doing. 

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3 hours ago, Manini said:

I agree. I mentioned similar in another thread and I hope nobody took it the wrong way. He doesn’t seem “himself” in the clip from soccer Saturday. 
 

Addiction is a bastard, but that’s a conversation for another thread I think. I hope he’s okay. 

In suprised you can tell a difference

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1 hour ago, Gamble92 said:

The world's press is not who I'm talking about. Go back to articles and any clips you can find of Souness and Merson etc from that season. They couldn't stand what little Leicester were doing. 

I don't think it was that they couldn't stand us, they just couldn't believe it.

 

If it had been Southampton you wouldn't have believed it either.

 

 

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On 11/11/2019 at 19:47, easilee said:

Soz if already posted.

Really enjoyed this one.....Can you imagine the destruction of teams if the final selection ever was lol ? !!!!

 

 

 

No mention of Albrighton :doh:but did find time to mention Jakupovic, Hamer and Schwarzer.

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6 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

But that will happen and continue to happen and it’s up to the club to bring themselves out of that scenario and into the elite bubble.

 

it use to be the top 2: Arsenal and Man U

then it became the top 4: adding Chelsea and Liverpool to the mix

then, finally the top 6: with Man City and Spurs being added to the elite. 

 

Go back 5/10 years and Man City and Spurs fans were probably having the same arguments with the media that we are having now. Man City, in their early years of the takeover were not taken seriously. They were always seen as a side that will be in United’s shadow. Spurs were a joke. Remember Sir Alex Ferguson half time team talk where he said to his players: “lads, it’s spurs”. Those clubs came up only recently. 

 

Its up to us to break or attempt to break the norm or the perceived norm at this stage. Our business next summer has to be on point. We cocked up 2016 massively and since then have traded like a big club. Players will leave. They still leave the elite 6 now (Sanchez, Coutinho, Walker, Suarez). It’s how we replace those players that matters. Consistency leads to expectations, expectation is what makes you thrive for success and success brings about a normality to the rest that Leicester should be up there.

 

for now though, we have to take these comments which we don’t like because it’s the elite six that sell the game around the world. We need to want to be a part of those games.

Was just about to say the same thing. He talks about people having short memories but talks as though the premier league is a decade old.

 

Man U were the big 1 at the beginning with a yearly challenger who would step up to the plate, Villa and Norwich were once considered as their rivals for league success. Blackburn obviously came to spoil the party and Newcastle came along to try their luck. 

Then Arsene arrived at Arsenal and pretty much revolutionised the english game. The dominance of Man U was all of a sudden a genuine 2 horse race.

Then Abromovic came to Chelsea and money started to take over, this 2 horse race became a 3 way battle. Sky added Liverpool to the mix to sell "Super Sunday" on account on their history and they were almost there or there abouts, a big 4 was formed. Man City were then taken over by some very rich people, and again to sell more games Sky were pushing them into the mix, to even it out they added Spurs what with their recent history and the "top 6" was formed.

 

This "top 6" is just a myth that sky have created. It is up to us to break the mould, we have to make ourselves an "elite" team. We're on the cusp of it now, and as you say, next summer is key, providing we have European qualification sorted. 

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Speaking of big 2/big 4/big 6, anyone have any others from yesteryear?

 

Slighty before my time but were Arsenal, Liverpool, Everton, Spurs, Man U considered a big 5 in the 80s?

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47 minutes ago, ARTY_FOX said:

Ricardo doesnt get in their combined 11. 'Because if ricardo is so good why is he at leicester' 

 

Would never take ozil over maddison 

 

The guy trying to argue torreira over N'didi aswell. Oh my days they are the most delusional fan base in the world lol

It's their attitude as a fanbase and a club in a nutshell. Living off reputation rather than what's in front of their eyes.

 

Bellerin is a good player but right now Ricardo is among the best full-backs in the league, currently only behind Trent at Liverpool in terms of right-backs.

 

Özil has an incredible CV, granted, but he hasn't consistently performed at an elite level for years. Maddison is a better team player and has been more consistent and more creative (which is literally both of their jobs) over the last 2 seasons.

 

Aubameyang vs Vardy is a worthy debate. I really like Aubameyang, he's a brilliant striker and probably slightly above Vardy's level. But he is just a goalscorer. Rodgers has got Vardy scoring a ton of goals again and playing selflessly for the team, so I'd rather have Jamie in our side.

 

Also, is it me or is Claude's belly button leaking? lol

 

 

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18 minutes ago, ALC Fox said:

It's their attitude as a fanbase and a club in a nutshell. Living off reputation rather than what's in front of their eyes.

 

Bellerin is a good player but right now Ricardo is among the best full-backs in the league, currently only behind Trent at Liverpool in terms of right-backs.

 

Özil has an incredible CV, granted, but he hasn't consistently performed at an elite level for years. Maddison is a better team player and has been more consistent and more creative (which is literally both of their jobs) over the last 2 seasons.

 

Aubameyang vs Vardy is a worthy debate. I really like Aubameyang, he's a brilliant striker and probably slightly above Vardy's level. But he is just a goalscorer. Rodgers has got Vardy scoring a ton of goals again and playing selflessly for the team, so I'd rather have Jamie in our side.

 

Also, is it me or is Claude's belly button leaking? lol

 

 

 

Blasphemy!!!!!.

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The only way our players will get the respect they deserve is if they finish top 4 and do well in the Champions League. 

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Claude is the only guy speaking sense but he got get his point across very well haha

 

Campbell and the other guy need to wake up and realise just because they’re ‘Arsenal’ players don’t mean they’re any good! Spurs wanted Ricky P and who is better between them and arsenal at the moment... you’d have to say Spurs over the last few years!

 

We’ve beaten them Convincingly at our place 3 years in a row so they better start given us more credit!

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22 minutes ago, Koke said:

The only way our players will get the respect they deserve is if they finish top 4 and do well in the Champions League. 

I sincerely wish this were true. It would take consistency over 2 or more seasons you would imagine.

The more established clubs, those with the global brands, the highest social media footprint, the "cannibal clubs" (If I may), those that ravage perceived smaller clubs of not just players, but also staff, will surely attempt to reset the perceived "natural order" via top purchases or stripping of these pretender clubs. 

 

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1 hour ago, Nalis said:

Speaking of big 2/big 4/big 6, anyone have any others from yesteryear?

 

Slighty before my time but were Arsenal, Liverpool, Everton, Spurs, Man U considered a big 5 in the 80s?

Pre-Premier League, the top teams in Division One were much more fluid.  Resources were less of a determining issue, so bigger clubs that had an exceptional manager, like at Leeds (early 70s) or Liverpool, dominated for a period (in Liverpool's case for much of the 70s and 80s) before being dragged back into the mundane mass.

 

It was much easier for teams like Ipswich, Forest or Derby to have an exceptional season or two, win the title, and then likewise return to their "normal" level. 

 

So in short, those 5 teams were considered to be big teams, but they all had periods when they were either in the lower reaches of Division One (Arsenal, Everton) or indeed dropped into Division Two for a season (Man Utd and Tottenham). 

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1 hour ago, Fox1970 said:

Pre-Premier League, the top teams in Division One were much more fluid.  Resources were less of a determining issue, so bigger clubs that had an exceptional manager, like at Leeds (early 70s) or Liverpool, dominated for a period (in Liverpool's case for much of the 70s and 80s) before being dragged back into the mundane mass.

 

It was much easier for teams like Ipswich, Forest or Derby to have an exceptional season or two, win the title, and then likewise return to their "normal" level. 

 

So in short, those 5 teams were considered to be big teams, but they all had periods when they were either in the lower reaches of Division One (Arsenal, Everton) or indeed dropped into Division Two for a season (Man Utd and Tottenham). 

Good point that I keep overlooking.

 

In terms of shock value, I'd almost put a Derby, Ipswich, Forest top tier title win pre premier league on par with say, the shock value of say, thinking Preston winning the Championship before the season began, ie, it would be unlikely / a bit of a surprise but not something an incredibly unheard of occurrence, albeit still an achievement.

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6 hours ago, Koke said:

 

5 seasons at Spurs and each season has been an improvement on the previous, until now. It's not his fault there are several key players out of contract and thus look unmotivated. Poch deserves a chance to rectify this situation and rebuild the squad. 

 

Poch is a brilliant coach and I doubt Spurs will get anyone better.

Spurs have been getting points season on season.

16/17 86

17/18 77

18/19 71

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2 hours ago, Nalis said:

Good point that I keep overlooking.

 

In terms of shock value, I'd almost put a Derby, Ipswich, Forest top tier title win pre premier league on par with say, the shock value of say, thinking Preston winning the Championship before the season began, ie, it would be unlikely / a bit of a surprise but not something an incredibly unheard of occurrence, albeit still an achievement.

Think that's undercutting it a bit. Don't particularly like saying it, but the successes of Forest & Derby under Clough in the 70s were incredible achievements (not to mention the European Cups!)

At the time it was massive and something that I, as a Leicester fan, found it difficult to take.

It was a far bigger shock than (for instance) Preston winning the Championship.

Think Clough's amazing achievements have been slightly downplayed for probably similar reasons pundits diss us, as discussed (exhaustively) on these pages..,

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3 minutes ago, LC/FC said:

Are all these ex London club players just brain dead?

*checks league table for us and Spurs*

 

 

Tbf he was linked with them before he came here but either Poch didn't want him or Levy refused to cough up the money required. It's too late now though. They have a big rebuilding job at Tottenham.

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14 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

But that will happen and continue to happen and it’s up to the club to bring themselves out of that scenario and into the elite bubble.

 

it use to be the top 2: Arsenal and Man U

then it became the top 4: adding Chelsea and Liverpool to the mix

then, finally the top 6: with Man City and Spurs being added to the elite. 

 

Go back 5/10 years and Man City and Spurs fans were probably having the same arguments with the media that we are having now. Man City, in their early years of the takeover were not taken seriously. They were always seen as a side that will be in United’s shadow. Spurs were a joke. Remember Sir Alex Ferguson half time team talk where he said to his players: “lads, it’s spurs”. Those clubs came up only recently. 

 

Its up to us to break or attempt to break the norm or the perceived norm at this stage. Our business next summer has to be on point. We cocked up 2016 massively and since then have traded like a big club. Players will leave. They still leave the elite 6 now (Sanchez, Coutinho, Walker, Suarez). It’s how we replace those players that matters. Consistency leads to expectations, expectation is what makes you thrive for success and success brings about a normality to the rest that Leicester should be up there.

 

for now though, we have to take these comments which we don’t like because it’s the elite six that sell the game around the world. We need to want to be a part of those games.

I think the narrative changes almost every season there was a point where the top 7 was being brandished which Everton was considered a part of. 

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10 minutes ago, Stoopid said:

Think that's undercutting it a bit. Don't particularly like saying it, but the successes of Forest & Derby under Clough in the 70s were incredible achievements (not to mention the European Cups!)

At the time it was massive and something that I, as a Leicester fan, found it difficult to take.

It was a far bigger shock than (for instance) Preston winning the Championship.

Think Clough's amazing achievements have been slightly downplayed for probably similar reasons pundits diss us, as discussed (exhaustively) on these pages..,

I know a lot of Forest fans who weren’t happy with the media calling our title win the best/biggest shock in football. But having not been around then I can’t quite understand how it was such a massive shock when they broke transfer records and signed the likes of Peter Shilton. Don’t get me wrong still deserve credit but I don’t think the gap was that huge anyway and it seems like they closed it with big signings.

 

 

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