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7 hours ago, ARTY_FOX said:

Ricardo doesnt get in their combined 11. 'Because if ricardo is so good why is he at leicester' 

 

Would never take ozil over maddison 

 

The guy trying to argue torreira over N'didi aswell. Oh my days they are the most delusional fan base in the world lol

Campbell started off by saying "given the choice, I wouldn't choose any Leicester player over the Arsenal equivalent..."

Here's a tip Kevin (good player when he was at loan here btw). Look at the table. The table doesn't lie.

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7 hours ago, ARTY_FOX said:

Ricardo doesnt get in their combined 11. 'Because if ricardo is so good why is he at leicester' 

Wish everyone thought this way we’d never lose players.

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21 minutes ago, Yes said:

I know a lot of Forest fans who weren’t happy with the media calling our title win the best/biggest shock in football. But having not been around then I can’t quite understand how it was such a massive shock when they broke transfer records and signed the likes of Peter Shilton. Don’t get me wrong still deserve credit but I don’t think the gap was that huge anyway and it seems like they closed it with big signings.

 

 

They paid a good whack for Shilton, understandably, but a lot of the others came pretty cheap - McGovern, Burns, Robertson, Lloyd, Peter Withe (replaced by Birtles who came from non-league from memory).

Don't think they signed Trevor Francis until the season after they won the 1st Division (think L'pool won it that year, though Forest got the European Cup).

Hate to say it, but winning the league with a newly-promoted team, and 2 European Cups WAS a massive achievement and just because it happened a good while ago, and to our detested neighbours, shouldn't detract from that. 

As to whether our 15/16 triumph was more remarkable - well to us it was, of course.

And that's what matters, isn't it?

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7 hours ago, ARTY_FOX said:

Ricardo doesnt get in their combined 11. 'Because if ricardo is so good why is he at leicester'

The guy trying to argue torreira over N'didi aswell. Oh my days they are the most delusional fan base in the world lol

 

Satisfaction comes after vanquishing an intelligent foe.

So it’s hard to get much joy off the wailing on AFTV.

There’s a bigger sense of victory looking at turnips you just pulled out of the ground.

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The reason Ricardo is at us is because we wanted him more. There seems to be a belief that players have to prove themselves at a "lesser" team before making the supposed step up. Man United could've had Maguire two years ago, anyone could've had Ricardo, Maddison, Tielemans if they wanted to but didn't.

 

Now they'll have to pay possibly double or treble the price. Hard luck.

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15 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

But that will happen and continue to happen and it’s up to the club to bring themselves out of that scenario and into the elite bubble.

 

it use to be the top 2: Arsenal and Man U

then it became the top 4: adding Chelsea and Liverpool to the mix

then, finally the top 6: with Man City and Spurs being added to the elite. 

 

Go back 5/10 years and Man City and Spurs fans were probably having the same arguments with the media that we are having now. Man City, in their early years of the takeover were not taken seriously. They were always seen as a side that will be in United’s shadow. Spurs were a joke. Remember Sir Alex Ferguson half time team talk where he said to his players: “lads, it’s spurs”. Those clubs came up only recently. 

 

Its up to us to break or attempt to break the norm or the perceived norm at this stage. Our business next summer has to be on point. We cocked up 2016 massively and since then have traded like a big club. Players will leave. They still leave the elite 6 now (Sanchez, Coutinho, Walker, Suarez). It’s how we replace those players that matters. Consistency leads to expectations, expectation is what makes you thrive for success and success brings about a normality to the rest that Leicester should be up there.

 

for now though, we have to take these comments which we don’t like because it’s the elite six that sell the game around the world. We need to want to be a part of those games.

Top post, this is my view too. It’s for us to build our global brand and turn the “big 6” into the “big 7”

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6 hours ago, Koke said:

The only way our players will get the respect they deserve is if they finish top 4 and do well in the Champions League. 

.......,year on year! Not just one year wonders 

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12 minutes ago, turkish14 said:

Top post, this is my view too. It’s for us to build our global brand and turn the “big 6” into the “big 7”

Or replace one of the big 6 with us. Possibly Arsenal by the looks of things.

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1 hour ago, Yes said:

I know a lot of Forest fans who weren’t happy with the media calling our title win the best/biggest shock in football. But having not been around then I can’t quite understand how it was such a massive shock when they broke transfer records and signed the likes of Peter Shilton. Don’t get me wrong still deserve credit but I don’t think the gap was that huge anyway and it seems like they closed it with big signings.

 

 

They broke the British transfer record when they signed Francis. Even Derby broke the transfer record when they got David Nish off us. Both Forest and Derby achievements are great but the odds were so heavenly against us. Out gunned in the transfer market, avoided relegation, sacked our manager, got a new manager who alot people thought was a joke and still won the PL. You couldn't make it up. 

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5 minutes ago, coalvillefox said:

Or replace one of the big 6 with us. Possibly Arsenal by the looks of things.

I did think that, but I think arsenal and others have too much influence in the media. It will take them being relegated I think to then have a new “big 6”

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58 minutes ago, turkish14 said:

Top post, this is my view too. It’s for us to build our global brand and turn the “big 6” into the “big 7”

I think this is the likeliest although spurs need to be careful about losing global brand awareness they have cultivated past decade. They could drop out of the six....... (and most relevant - they haven’t won anything  for more than a generation) 

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There have been some great post with top examples of the big “whatever” expanding over time. 

 

some have mentioned Blackburn and Newcastle that were once in the mix, and now no longer. Same can be said about Leeds in the early noughties.

 

so I guess teams can drop out the big “whatever” but if you look at the clubs mentioned, they were all relegated and all northern clubs with less of a media presence.

 

if a spurs or arsenal over a number of seasons didn’t make the top 6, I still think prior to each season they would still be looked upon in the media as the “big 6/7/8” at that time. 


 

 

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36 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

I think this is the likeliest although spurs need to be careful about losing global brand awareness they have cultivated past decade. They could drop out of the six....... (and most relevant - they haven’t won anything  for more than a generation) 

I've never really understood Spurs place in a so-called big 6. For much of the last 20 years they've been a mid-table team who made occasional forays into the higher placings. 

 

Also, Man City, only in the last ten years.

 

People talk like the "big 6" always has been and always will be.

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10 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

I've never really understood Spurs place in a so-called big 6. For much of the last 20 years they've been a mid-table team who made occasional forays into the higher placings. 

 

Also, Man City, only in the last ten years.

 

People talk like the "big 6" always has been and always will be.

Same with Chelsea before they became Chelski

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4 minutes ago, Dorkingfox said:

Same with Chelsea before they became Chelski

Indeed. Up to that point their history was similar to ours, a serial yo-yo club, as were Man City, which is why they share the dubious honour with us of the most 2nd division titles.

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16 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Indeed. Up to that point their history was similar to ours, a serial yo-yo club, as were Man City, which is why they share the dubious honour with us of the most 2nd division titles.

While it's true that Manchester City have traditionally been a yo-yo club, there's a certain amount of revisionism going on here. 

They are traditionally the team of the city of Manchester (and its southern & eastern neighbours) - a massive, very densely populate)d area. 

And though obviously in the shadow of United they hardly came from nowhere.

They got lucky in their owners, but so did we - on moral and social grounds, you could say we got even luckier. 

Not to say we can't emulate their success, but we don't have to diminish them to do so.

Just the opposite, in my view...

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2 hours ago, Corky said:

The reason Ricardo is at us is because we wanted him more. There seems to be a belief that players have to prove themselves at a "lesser" team before making the supposed step up. Man United could've had Maguire two years ago, anyone could've had Ricardo, Maddison, Tielemans if they wanted to but didn't.

 

Now they'll have to pay possibly double or treble the price. Hard luck.

I agree. I think the big clubs often perceive transfer targets as too risky until they've proved themselves at a high enough level, by which time they are much more expensive. I think they could all be doing a lot better re: scouting, but I'm not complaining.

 

Often much more than double or treble. We got Maguire for around £17m, and sold him for £80m. Maddison was around £22m, but I can't see us letting go of him for less than £100m. Maybe more.

 

 

1 hour ago, turkish14 said:

There have been some great post with top examples of the big “whatever” expanding over time. 

 

some have mentioned Blackburn and Newcastle that were once in the mix, and now no longer. Same can be said about Leeds in the early noughties.

 

so I guess teams can drop out the big “whatever” but if you look at the clubs mentioned, they were all relegated and all northern clubs with less of a media presence.

 

if a spurs or arsenal over a number of seasons didn’t make the top 6, I still think prior to each season they would still be looked upon in the media as the “big 6/7/8” at that time.

I think you're right to a point. If Spurs did finish mid-table for a couple of seasons, I think they still would be seen as one of the big clubs at first, but I'm sure that would fade eventually if it carried on happening.

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Just asked my mate who supports Utd for his combined 11. No surprise he only put 3 city players in his squad. What are these delusional people drinking? Rashford over vardy? Lindelof over cags? 

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1 minute ago, 8starstriker8 said:

Just asked my mate who supports Utd for his combined 11. No surprise he only put 3 city players in his squad. What are these delusional people drinking? Rashford over vardy? Lindelof over cags? 

 

He most likely knows absolutely fuch all about football outside of what he reads on Twitter. That seems to be the case with the majority of people masquerading as Man Utd ‘fans’. 

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1 hour ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

I've never really understood Spurs place in a so-called big 6. For much of the last 20 years they've been a mid-table team who made occasional forays into the higher placings

 

Also, Man City, only in the last ten years.

 

People talk like the "big 6" always has been and always will be.

you might want to check out their placings over the past dozen years …….

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Just now, st albans fox said:

you might want to check out their placings over the past dozen years …….

 

10 years.

 

The previous 10 between 8th and 13th. Before then you'd probably consider Aston Villa to be a top club.

 

The idea of an established big 6 is frankly just lazy journalism or a marketing tool. Probably both.

 

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9 minutes ago, Leeds Fox said:

 

He most likely knows absolutely fuch all about football outside of what he reads on Twitter. That seems to be the case with the majority of people masquerading as Man Utd ‘fans’. 

Was planning on taking him to the shrink until he said he’d take Rodgers over ole. I think Rodgers is top 3 managers in PL atm. Would anyone out of top 4 not take Brendan? 

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When we get the stadium expansion and 40000 every home game perceptions will change. Given their stadiums and drawing power West Ham and Newcastle should be up there . West Ham in particular is the only major club in a massive built up area and should easily be up there with Arsenal,Spurs and Chelsea. At least we are now the biggest club in the Midlands.

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5 minutes ago, 8starstriker8 said:

Just asked my mate who supports Utd for his combined 11. No surprise he only put 3 city players in his squad. What are these delusional people drinking? Rashford over vardy? Lindelof over cags? 

It beggars belief, doesn't it? I've seen it all recently. That bloke on The United Stand put only Chilwell in the defence of a combined XI. Who in their right mind would want any of AWB, Maguire or Lindelof over Ricardo, Evans or Soyuncu? I even saw someone saying that, surely, McTominay gets into a combined XI! He was shocked that someone would pick Ndidi over McTomineffinay. These people must assume that if a player is not at a big club, then he can't be that good. I'm sure of it.

 

Rashford over Vardy, though. Wow. It's like saying I'd rather have a turkey dinosaur than a Christmas roast dinner.

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