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Most of us also believed this before he came here. Or maybe he has evolved and learned as a coach. Although the way he set his Celtic teams up away in Europe was disastrous and they get annihilated.

 

 

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1 hour ago, 8starstriker8 said:

Just asked my mate who supports Utd for his combined 11. No surprise he only put 3 city players in his squad. What are these delusional people drinking? Rashford over vardy? Lindelof over cags? 

To be fair we all have a bias towards our own team.

When Campbell was saying he wouldn't choose any Leicester player over their Arsenal counterparts, I was thinking I'd be totally the opposite. Yet if I were honest, I wouldn't turn down the chance of signing a Lacazette or a Aubameyang, I just wouldn't swap one of them for Jamie.

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43 minutes ago, Koke said:

Most of us also believed this before he came here. Or maybe he has evolved and learned as a coach. Although the way he set his Celtic teams up away in Europe was disastrous and they get annihilated.

 

 

Calm down, it’s just a “purple patch”  don’t you know? :ph34r:

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4 hours ago, sm1 said:

They broke the British transfer record when they signed Francis. Even Derby broke the transfer record when they got David Nish off us. Both Forest and Derby achievements are great but the odds were so heavenly against us. Out gunned in the transfer market, avoided relegation, sacked our manager, got a new manager who alot people thought was a joke and still won the PL. You couldn't make it up. 

Although in all fairness we broke the British transfer record when we signed Alan Clarke... 

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11 hours ago, ALC Fox said:

It's their attitude as a fanbase and a club in a nutshell. Living off reputation rather than what's in front of their eyes.

 

Bellerin is a good player but right now Ricardo is among the best full-backs in the league, currently only behind Trent at Liverpool in terms of right-backs.

 

Özil has an incredible CV, granted, but he hasn't consistently performed at an elite level for years. Maddison is a better team player and has been more consistent and more creative (which is literally both of their jobs) over the last 2 seasons.

 

Aubameyang vs Vardy is a worthy debate. I really like Aubameyang, he's a brilliant striker and probably slightly above Vardy's level. But he is just a goalscorer. Rodgers has got Vardy scoring a ton of goals again and playing selflessly for the team, so I'd rather have Jamie in our side.

 

Also, is it me or is Claude's belly button leaking? lol

 

 

Don't understand how they can argue Ozil v Maddison on the basis of their CVs, Ozil is 10 years older than Maddison of course he has a better CV. No surprise Kevin Campbell doesn't get regular pundit jobs, and that's saying something given the quality of pundits out there. :facepalm:

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2 minutes ago, IsItMuzzy said:

Don't understand how they can argue Ozil v Maddison on the basis of their CVs, Ozil is 10 years older than Maddison of course he has a better CV. No surprise Kevin Campbell doesn't get regular pundit jobs, and that's saying something given the quality of pundits out there. :facepalm:

The absolute state of that 'show' as well, Campbell had to basically put those two numpties back on track as they'd lost their way within 30 seconds :thumbdown:

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1 hour ago, Koke said:

Most of us also believed this before he came here. Or maybe he has evolved and learned as a coach. Although the way he set his Celtic teams up away in Europe was disastrous and they get annihilated.

 

 

Think a lot of it has to do with his time at Celtic, not necessarily because his tactics would have become a lot better, but adopting that elitist and winning mentality. 

 

At Liverpool it never seemed like his side were on top, even when they were, but being at Celtic would’ve gave him that experience of belonging at the top and believing you’re better than the opposition. Think this would have installed a lot of confidence in the defenders and the team as a whole in being stronger in the tackle and more combative, rather than hiding away or shaking responsibility.

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1 hour ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

The idea of an established big 6 is frankly just lazy journalism or a marketing tool. Probably both.

Not really. They are the six teams that have been reliably competing for Champions League places this decade, and we were the first team from outside that six to finish in the top four since 2005

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13 hours ago, ARTY_FOX said:

Ricardo doesnt get in their combined 11. 'Because if ricardo is so good why is he at leicester' 

 

Would never take ozil over maddison 

 

The guy trying to argue torreira over N'didi aswell. Oh my days they are the most delusional fan base in the world lol

You said it yourself, fans can't get more delusional than Arsenal and what we se on AFTV is probably the cream of the deluded crop the same lovely bunch who they continue to exploit endlessly for the sheer 'shock value' (not that I feel sorry for them, at least they earn some youtube money from all the melting in front of the camera).

Of course as others say, we being Leicester fans also have our delusions but ours are rather diminutive compared to theirs.

 

As for Ricardo, I remember one of the English commentators during the Arsenal game waxing about him (most of the team was complimented tbf), saying he's one of the few best full backs in the league or something to that extent, can't remember whether it was on NBC or Sky.

They weren't waxing about Bellerin much, especially after Madders scored lol

 

I'm not sure even Ozil would take himself over Maddison. He's had a mare against us.

 

Torreira? He isn't fit to tie Ndidi's laces lol

 

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46 minutes ago, LC/FC said:

Unfortunately as Southgate is such a bottle job himself, he'll inevitably continue to base the England team on the Spurs bottle jobs, as he has done for years.

A winner Southgate is not. 

We had the best chance we will ever have in present times to win the world cup in 2018 (mostly due to a phenomenally lucky draw). But Vs Croatia Southgate played an utterly lame and knackered old horse (because his club fits) and gave Vardy 8 mins. No wonder Vardy told England to eff off.  

 

That video is reasonable (except for shamichael!). The FA simply aren't.

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what the FA should do, but won't is get a manager in, who  is of a higher tier than a failed Middlesborogh reject. but they will not because then they could not dictate to him.

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Its easy to slate Southgate based on tactical ability vs Croatia/not utilising Vardy but people forget that his man management is excellent, the only tarnish at the minute seems to be the Sterling / Gomez scenario.

 

Also easy to point towards the draw but a lot of big teams got beat by less renowed nations:

 

Spain got put out by Russia

Germany got put out by South Korea / Mexico

Italy and the Netherlands didnt even make it to the World Cup at all

 

Brutal reality is that there werent many other managers at the time who would even have got as far as the semi finals with that England squad.

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6 hours ago, trabuch said:

We had the best chance we will ever have in present times to win the world cup in 2018 (mostly due to a phenomenally lucky draw). But Vs Croatia Southgate played an utterly lame and knackered old horse (because his club fits) and gave Vardy 8 mins. No wonder Vardy told England to eff off.  

 

That video is reasonable (except for shamichael!). The FA simply aren't.

Says it all really

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41 minutes ago, Nalis said:

Its easy to slate Southgate based on tactical ability vs Croatia/not utilising Vardy but people forget that his man management is excellent, the only tarnish at the minute seems to be the Sterling / Gomez scenario.

 

Also easy to point towards the draw but a lot of big teams got beat by less renowed nations:

 

Spain got put out by Russia

Germany got put out by South Korea / Mexico

Italy and the Netherlands didnt even make it to the World Cup at all

 

Brutal reality is that there werent many other managers at the time who would even have got as far as the semi finals with that England squad.

He is tactically inept, may be a good man manager, no use if you cannot manage a game or chose the right players.

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Southgate has done a decent job with limited talent at his disposal.

He must now play Madison.

His only real mistake was not sticking vardy on for extra time against Croatia as we needed an outlet upfield and Kane was just wandering aimlessly. Hard to argue with the rest of that campaign given where we reached despite not playing particularly good football due to the dearth of English talent.

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16 hours ago, Stoopid said:

While it's true that Manchester City have traditionally been a yo-yo club, there's a certain amount of revisionism going on here. 

They are traditionally the team of the city of Manchester (and its southern & eastern neighbours) - a massive, very densely populate)d area. 

And though obviously in the shadow of United they hardly came from nowhere.

They got lucky in their owners, but so did we - on moral and social grounds, you could say we got even luckier. 

Not to say we can't emulate their success, but we don't have to diminish them to do so.

Just the opposite, in my view...

I don’t think it’s denigrating them to say they weren’t anywhere near the top of the league until the Sheik Mansour era. There’s no revisionism to say that they spent a good half of the first 25 years of my life outside the top flight. In the Manchester vs Liverpool also-rans club, Everton were far more successful than Man City, and Everton never bothered the scorers much either. 

 

They've always been a well supported club in a big city, but they were never actually contenders until the last decade or so. ‘Came from nowhere’ is spot on IMO...

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1 hour ago, Oxfordfox83 said:

I don’t think it’s denigrating them to say they weren’t anywhere near the top of the league until the Sheik Mansour era. There’s no revisionism to say that they spent a good half of the first 25 years of my life outside the top flight. In the Manchester vs Liverpool also-rans club, Everton were far more successful than Man City, and Everton never bothered the scorers much either. 

 

They've always been a well supported club in a big city, but they were never actually contenders until the last decade or so. ‘Came from nowhere’ is spot on IMO...

Yeah, well being an old git I remember the 60s - the Mercer & Allison era - when they were league & cup winners ( beating us in 69 of course). 

Football tends to be cyclical is the point I'm making. Man City have had their fair share of ups & downs, but they've always been a 'big' club in the context of English football.

I don't think the Mansours would have backed them otherwise. The potential was always massive. 

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18 hours ago, Stoopid said:

While it's true that Manchester City have traditionally been a yo-yo club, there's a certain amount of revisionism going on here. 

They are traditionally the team of the city of Manchester (and its southern & eastern neighbours) - a massive, very densely populate)d area. 

And though obviously in the shadow of United they hardly came from nowhere.

They got lucky in their owners, but so did we - on moral and social grounds, you could say we got even luckier. 

Not to say we can't emulate their success, but we don't have to diminish them to do so.

Just the opposite, in my view...

Probably the difference is that Manchester City are owned by a country with limitless funds and are under a UEFA investigation into allegations of financial fair play irregularities, which could lead to a Champions League ban and has been sent for a final judgment at the governing body.

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7 minutes ago, Stoopid said:

Yeah, well being an old git I remember the 60s - the Mercer & Allison era - when they were league & cup winners ( beating us in 69 of course). 

Football tends to be cyclical is the point I'm making. Man City have had their fair share of ups & downs, but they've always been a 'big' club in the context of English football.

I don't think the Mansours would have backed them otherwise. The potential was always massive. 

Always remember man city as a good club with loyal fans but since the takeover they have won plenty but completely lost their soul, must be plenty of their fans who have mixed feelings about the present setup. 

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