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13 minutes ago, Stoopid said:

Yeah, well being an old git I remember the 60s - the Mercer & Allison era - when they were league & cup winners ( beating us in 69 of course). 

Football tends to be cyclical is the point I'm making. Man City have had their fair share of ups & downs, but they've always been a 'big' club in the context of English football.

I don't think the Mansours would have backed them otherwise. The potential was always massive. 

Yes Man City had been an above average Div 1 team since the late the late 60's then they lost their way, found it again and became ripe for a take over as they had a good grounding, but the fan base was small compared to Man U, Liverpool, Spurs, Everton and Arsenal, maybe even to Chelsea and Newcastle.

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18 minutes ago, Markyblue said:

Always remember man city as a good club with loyal fans but since the takeover they have won plenty but completely lost their soul, must be plenty of their fans who have mixed feelings about the present setup. 

I agree. I've got a soft spot for the club (as is fairly evident), having lived close to Maine Rd in the 70s and watching them fairly often.

But recent history is difficult to square with that. A cursory examination of their current ownership leaves a very unpleasant taste...and a lot of the Man City supporting mates I know aren't particularly comfortable with it.

Moving away from Moss Side was bad enough, but being in thrall to a corrupt state makes it worse.

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28 minutes ago, Dorkingfox said:

Yes Man City had been an above average Div 1 team since the late the late 60's then they lost their way, found it again and became ripe for a take over as they had a good grounding, but the fan base was small compared to Man U, Liverpool, Spurs, Everton and Arsenal, maybe even to Chelsea and Newcastle.

Maybe compared to L'pool United & Arsenal, but they are comparable - or indeed bigger - than the other clubs you mention I would say. 

Mancunians ( not counting Salford , Stretford etc) tend to be Man City fans as do people from Stockport, Ashton etc) and that's an awful lot of people.

They've attracted a fair few glory-hunters in recent years of course, but their core support's always been massive.

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19 hours ago, An Sionnach said:

West Ham in particular is the only major club in a massive built up area and should easily be up there with Arsenal,Spurs and Chelsea. 

Arsenal isn't that far away from The Olympic stadium.

London is extremely easy to travel around, not difficult to live in East London and support teams in North,South or West London.

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18 hours ago, Jobyfox said:

When I started watching football in the mid-eighties people often talked about a big 5: Liverpool, Manchester United, Arsenal, Spurs and Everton.

 

There were other clubs who were considered big due to other reasons like number of fans or historic success. These were clubs like Aston Villa or Newcastle.

 

Chelsea’s brand growth is a relatively recent phenomenon and took years for it to happen. It also took a massive amount of investment, but they are now considered and elite club.

 

Man City’s ascendency was most dramatic. A big club, but one that had been average for years and very much in the shadow of their illustrious neighbours. They announced their ambitions quite dramatically by buying Robinho from Real Madrid a day after they were taken over - paying £32m, which was an eye-watering amount then. Even then people laughed and dismissed them as noisy neighbours. A few billion more invested and nobody is laughing now.

 

Everton have proved that clubs can leave the elite group.

Man City and Chelsea have proved that you can join it. It’s not a thing that’s static in time.

 

The difference is that Chelsea and Man City have thrown billions at it. To do it in a sustainable way over a number of years is much more challenging. That’s what Leicester are up against. 

The best thing about this is that this argument can't ever be used against us. We won the league having spent a third of what Newcastle spent that season, and they got relegated. Not a single member of that title winning team cost us more than £9m. 3 of them were sold for £140m.

 

We've scouted excellently, picking up bargains and making a profit on most players we've sold. Where we have spent millions on players, it's never come directly from our owner's pockets, it's come from our earnings from winning the league (£93m, where we were the 5th highest earners), our earnings from getting the furthest of the English clubs in the Champions League (£75m), and from making huge profits on players we've sold (Kante, Drinkwater, Mahrez and Maguire earned us £219m, making us a profit of around £195m - AND WE'RE CURRENTLY ABOVE ALL OF THEM IN THE LEAGUE). 

 

Even the new training ground can be funded with the sale of Maguire!

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24 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

The best thing about this is that this argument can't ever be used against us. We won the league having spent a third of what Newcastle spent that season, and they got relegated. Not a single member of that title winning team cost us more than £9m. 3 of them were sold for £140m.

 

We've scouted excellently, picking up bargains and making a profit on most players we've sold. Where we have spent millions on players, it's never come directly from our owner's pockets, it's come from our earnings from winning the league (£93m, where we were the 5th highest earners), our earnings from getting the furthest of the English clubs in the Champions League (£75m), and from making huge profits on players we've sold (Kante, Drinkwater, Mahrez and Mahrez earned us £219m, making us a profit of around £195m - AND WE'RE CURRENTLY ABOVE ALL OF THEM IN THE LEAGUE). 

 

Even the new training ground can be funded with the sale of Maguire!

Did we sell him twice?

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https://www.football365.com/news/every-premier-league-clubs-biggest-summer-signing-rated

 

 

LEICESTER CITY: Youri Tielemans – £40.5million (A)
Has there ever been a more obvious ‘signing of the season’ before a season has actually begun? Great on loan and even better now. If his and Leicester’s superb form continues, he’ll be worth twice that come the summer, and other clubs that turned their nose up at Tielemans will no doubt be come sniffing more forcefully this time around

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Poznan34 said:

Even better, Tielemans was 'only' £32m, rather than the widely-reported £40m, according to John Percy :)

Wasn't it first reported by Percy to be about 35 million before the entire media went and said it was for 40 million? 

The fact that it's 3 million less than the initial report says.. We're kinda good at this transfer lark. 

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22 minutes ago, turtmcfly said:

https://www.football365.com/news/every-premier-league-clubs-biggest-summer-signing-rated

 

 

LEICESTER CITY: Youri Tielemans – £40.5million (A)
Has there ever been a more obvious ‘signing of the season’ before a season has actually begun? Great on loan and even better now. If his and Leicester’s superb form continues, he’ll be worth twice that come the summer, and other clubs that turned their nose up at Tielemans will no doubt be come sniffing more forcefully this time around

 

 

Literally doubled his value!

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Other teams can sniff as much as they want to sniff. 

That's probably because Youri smells like 'Joy' 

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Just now, Yes said:

 

(not more than £40m) as backup to.. Emerson. 
 

“Top 6” fans are on another level of delusion. 

"Not more than £40m" lol That's brilliant

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1 minute ago, Carl the Llama said:

"Not more than £40m" lol That's brilliant

Not so bad if it was one persons opinion but it’s got over 1000 likes lol

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50 minutes ago, Yes said:

 

(not more than £40m) as backup to.. Emerson. 
 

“Top 6” fans are on another level of delusion. 

:crylaugh:Wow! That's a joke, surely? If not, they must have time travelled from a few years ago.

 

Chilwell going for half Maguire's fee, to be backup to Emerson. If I was Ben, I'd be thoroughly insulted by that.

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https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/nov/15/premier-league-2019-20-team-of-the-season-so-far

 

Great seeing 4 Leicester player's there and can't really disagree with the team. Had to baulk at this though:

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Jamie Vardy (Leicester)

He’s 33 in just over a month but you wouldn’t know it from his razor-sharp displays. He tops the Premier League scoring charts with 11 goals having added intelligence to his game under Rodgers, who has instructed the combative striker to stop chasing lost causes and be a fox in the box. The result is that Vardy is drifting off defenders, finishing unerringly and looking a good bet to stay ahead of Abraham in the race for the Golden Boot. Retiring from England duty has been a wise choice.

 

What rubbish! Yes Vardy has been reinvigorated a bit under Rodgers, but to stay he's only now being an 'intelligent' player is a nonsense. 

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15 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/nov/15/premier-league-2019-20-team-of-the-season-so-far

 

Great seeing 4 Leicester player's there and can't really disagree with the team. Had to baulk at this though:

What rubbish! Yes Vardy has been reinvigorated a bit under Rodgers, but to stay he's only now being an 'intelligent' player is a nonsense. 

 

And no KdB ?!  Bit hard to take that seriously.

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10 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

I reckon we should sign that Messi fella as backup to Vardy. Could be useful coming off the bench and has a decent scoring record.

 

As long as way get him for a very good price (not more than 5m). Then I am cool with that. 

only if we can shift on Nacho for 3m though.....

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24 minutes ago, Tommo220 said:

only if we can shift on Nacho for 3m though.....

Signing Messi for £5m is one thing, but Iheanacho worth as much as £3m? Now you're being silly!

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On 14/11/2019 at 13:50, urban.spaceman said:

 

 

Even the new training ground can be funded with the sale of Maguire!

 

The term "the training ground will be built using slabs" gets an entirely new meaning. 


 

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