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14 minutes ago, Wolfox said:

Hang on…. Your messing with the narrative!  


Remember, Man City were practically Acrington Stanley before they got a few bob…

Well i get your sarcasm but lets be honest they hadn't won anything since the mid 70s until the oil money poured in. 

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1 hour ago, Koke said:

.I know MCFC hate being told this but they literally won the lottery. Their success could have been Newcastle or Aston Villa or West Ham or Leicester, or 10 other clubs in England. 

 

I have more respect for Southampton finishing 5th in 15/16 than I have for Man City winning another league title. 

 

I dont outwardly hate them but I think their fan base have a small club mentality with their constant whining and conspiracy theories.

They probably won the Euromillions but in comparison we have won the National Lottery with our owners.

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3 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Watford, Norwich, QPR, Ipswich were all enjoying the best periods of their history.

 

Forest were too, but averaged a diabolical 18000. Clough regularly used to slag off thier European midweek crowds.

 

We were in a dreadful state. Skint, dreadful stadium, dull Gordon Milne football (he was actually very good but about as popular as Puel) and the ongoing threat of violence. 11,000 in Div 1 and 8,000 in Div2 was the norm. An entire generation was lost. Only 4 or 5 kids IN MY WHOLE SCHOOL YEAR followed City

 

 

Absolutely this. Small crowds no doubt but a good majority of them were young disillusioned and with nothing better to do than follow city home and away.

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18 minutes ago, Markyblue said:

Absolutely this. Small crowds no doubt but a good majority of them were young disillusioned and with nothing better to do than follow city home and away.

And most of us turned out alright in the end :thumbup:

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25 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Watford, Norwich, QPR, Ipswich were all enjoying the best periods of their history.

 

Forest were too, but averaged a diabolical 18000. Clough regularly used to slag off thier European midweek crowds.

 

We were in a dreadful state. Skint, dreadful stadium, dull Gordon Milne football (he was actually very good but about as popular as Puel) and the ongoing threat of violence. 11,000 in Div 1 and 8,000 in Div2 was the norm. An entire generation was lost. Only 4 or 5 kids IN MY WHOLE SCHOOL YEAR followed City

 

 

The mid to late 80s was a different era alright, small crowds, ramshackle grounds and crap pitches. Football had become pretty uncool. 

Italia 90 did a lot to reconnect the game to the public as did the Premier League idea. For us, the Brian Little era brought the Leicester public back in decent numbers - and then O'Neill of course.

But it wasn't all bad back then. Those that did go were louder, younger and actually a lot funnier than the present crowd - whose lack of animation is so often regretted on this forum.

Weird thing is, they're probably the same people largely. Just thirty years older...

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7 minutes ago, Izzy said:

And most of us turned out alright in the end :thumbup:

I didn't. I was told only this morning that I'm a total f**k-up. I blame David Pleat.

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1 hour ago, Paninistickers said:

Watford, Norwich, QPR, Ipswich were all enjoying the best periods of their history.

 

Forest were too, but averaged a diabolical 18000. Clough regularly used to slag off thier European midweek crowds.

 

We were in a dreadful state. Skint, dreadful stadium, dull Gordon Milne football (he was actually very good but about as popular as Puel) and the ongoing threat of violence. 11,000 in Div 1 and 8,000 in Div2 was the norm. An entire generation was lost. Only 4 or 5 kids IN MY WHOLE SCHOOL YEAR followed City

 

 

It was the same in my school year.The point was made that everyone’s support was poor during that time.Well ours was

a lot poorer than most.Ok we were always skint and good old Filbo wasn’t the best.We were in the 1st division for a good chunk of it though.With a half decent team for a couple of seasons.Villa and Forest apart it was the same for most of the Midlands clubs.

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6 hours ago, Heathrow fox said:

Crowds were significantly down nationwide in the eighties sure.Loads Of social and economic reasons for that.However our support lagged way behind even the likes of Norwich and Ipswich.Let alone your Man City’s,Newcastle’s Leeds and Sheff Weds.Who weren’t all having the best of times, yet still nearly got double or nearly treble our usual home attendances.They pissed all over our away support aswell.Add Wolves to that list.

It was outside the top flight but Wolves once averaged 4-5k for a couple years in the 80s. Honestly if you look at the numbers most clubs were struggling in terms of support, including some that you mentioned.

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4 hours ago, Nalis said:

To be fair they averaged over 28k fans in the third tier.

Yeah they did and I believe we averaged 21,000 in that league too.

 

Notably, they also averaged around 22,000 in the Premier League in 1995.

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4 hours ago, Captain... said:

And we didn't with our owners?

 

There is no real connection, despite some spurious claims of watching us in the 90s. Vichai wanted a football team we were available, we won the lottery, admittedly just the national lottery compared to Man City getting the euromillions on a triple rollover week. But we still lucked out massively, when you think of some the shady characters that have owned clubs like Forest and Leeds. I am pretty sure Mandaric would have sold to anyone with money.

yes we did but we don't go around pretending anything different, after the tragedy we talk openly in appreciation of everything they have done and acknowledge how lucky we got with it being them that took over

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I know it's utter bollocks week in week out, but can the Beeb seriously not find someone who actually watches the games to do this feature? 

 

Lawro has us down to lose 2-0 at the weekend, which is a more than fair guess. However his reasoning was a little confusing:-

 

"Manchester United exposed Manchester City's defensive flaws with their fast counter-attacks that helped them win the derby at the start of December.

Can Leicester do the same? Well, United had Marcus Rashford, Anthony Martial and Daniel James running at City - with the Foxes, it is really just Jamie Vardy who does that."

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1 hour ago, Yes said:

It was outside the top flight but Wolves once averaged 4-5k for a couple years in the 80s. Honestly if you look at the numbers most clubs were struggling in terms of support, including some that you mentioned.

Wolves did get gates of 4/5000.That was division 4 though.Leeds,Newcastle,Man City and Sheff Wed all averaged 20000+ during that decade.All spent time in division 2.For Leeds it was almost all of it.Norwich and Ipswich both regularly had bigger support.

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8 minutes ago, Heathrow fox said:

Wolves did get gates of 4/5000.That was division 4 though.Leeds,Newcastle,Man City and Sheff Wed all averaged 20000+ during that decade.All spent time in division 2.For Leeds it was almost all of it.Norwich and Ipswich both regularly had bigger support.

I wasn’t around then so obviously can’t fully judge but just looking at the numbers for Leeds that wasn’t the case either, they once averaged 13k in div 2 and no more than 17k for a year throughout that period. 
 

Don’t get me wrong they’re all higher than us at the time for the most part but it just seems like most clubs had the same issues with attendance in the 80s especially when they dropped into div 2.

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35 minutes ago, David Guiza said:

I know it's utter bollocks week in week out, but can the Beeb seriously not find someone who actually watches the games to do this feature? 

 

Lawro has us down to lose 2-0 at the weekend, which is a more than fair guess. However his reasoning was a little confusing:-

 

"Manchester United exposed Manchester City's defensive flaws with their fast counter-attacks that helped them win the derby at the start of December.

Can Leicester do the same? Well, United had Marcus Rashford, Anthony Martial and Daniel James running at City - with the Foxes, it is really just Jamie Vardy who does that."

I read this earlier and just laughed! Lawro  doesn’t have the football knowledge to class him as a professional pundit - the whole protection league done by the Beeb might as well be done by a 12 year old  

 

 

edit: sorry o have probably insult many 12 year olds 

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2 hours ago, Yes said:

It was outside the top flight but Wolves once averaged 4-5k for a couple years in the 80s. Honestly if you look at the numbers most clubs were struggling in terms of support, including some that you mentioned.

Yes the 80s were dark years for Wolves. All the way down to the 4th division and back up again. Attendances were obviously affected. 

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5 minutes ago, The Bear said:

Yes the 80s were dark years for Wolves. All the way down to the 4th division and back up again. Attendances were obviously affected. 

Even so 4/5000 in division 4 was unheard of in that period.

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5 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

Watford, Norwich, QPR, Ipswich were all enjoying the best periods of their history.

 

Forest were too, but averaged a diabolical 18000. Clough regularly used to slag off thier European midweek crowds.

 

We were in a dreadful state. Skint, dreadful stadium, dull Gordon Milne football (he was actually very good but about as popular as Puel) and the ongoing threat of violence. 11,000 in Div 1 and 8,000 in Div2 was the norm. An entire generation was lost. Only 4 or 5 kids IN MY WHOLE SCHOOL YEAR followed City

 

 

Those halcyon day’s of football in the 1980’s, they’re difficult to describe to the modern football fan, I definitely have rose tinted glasses on when I think back to that time, top flight football under Milne played before 13000 people, but I enjoyed it as a kid growing up.

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