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3 hours ago, Ashley said:

They play football in Scotland. 

 

Besides Septic and Rangers the Leagues are generally poor. 

 

If we were in the Scottish leagues we would have the same success. There was talk about Celtic and Rangers coming to the English leagues, would they do well? They'd be on par with the bottom bottom end of the Premier League and top end Championship. Would they have done well if they had an investment like Chelsea, Man City did years ago, probably. Who wouldn't have though? 

If they were in the PL, I feel Celtic would do well. Knocking around top six. They are a well run club. As much as their fans dislike their current board, they dont spend when they dont have to and they buy and scout well when they do. They have a solid infrastructure. Rangers on the other hand would be bottom of the championship within 3 years. Even in their day, they were a poorly run club. I could see it now. They would have the oldest team in the league, buying massive names who are over the hill on massive wages. 

 

I agree that we would do well in scotland but only because we are also a well run club and even then, it's hard to say we would have the same level of success that Celtic have had. Even with a poor rangers team, theres usually a half decent team who take a cup each year. To win 3 trebles in a row is impressive regardless. 

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14 minutes ago, Foxy_Bear said:

If they were in the PL, I feel Celtic would do well. Knocking around top six. They are a well run club. As much as their fans dislike their current board, they dont spend when they dont have to and they buy and scout well when they do. They have a solid infrastructure. Rangers on the other hand would be bottom of the championship within 3 years. Even in their day, they were a poorly run club. I could see it now. They would have the oldest team in the league, buying massive names who are over the hill on massive wages. 

 

I agree that we would do well in scotland but only because we are also a well run club and even then, it's hard to say we would have the same level of success that Celtic have had. Even with a poor rangers team, theres usually a half decent team who take a cup each year. To win 3 trebles in a row is impressive regardless. 

You would expect us to be in the top 3 as Leicester would be the 3rd biggest town in Scotland + have the 3rd biggest club ground.So on that basis 3rd biggest wage bill.As you well know,tv money counts for zilch up there.

 

Couldn’t agree more that Celtic would more than compete with most English teams on a level financial playing field.Would probably take a few seasons to build their squad up,but once momentum takes over anything would be possible.Which is why we will never get to find out.Arsenal,Spurs and the like are hardly going to welcome potential competition for those Euro spots.

 

Leicester are doing well right now.It just takes one relegation and it all changes.When MON left for Celtic.We excepted it.The minute Celtic showed an interest we knew he was gone.Even though we were establishing ourselves as a good Prem team.With a similar sized wage bill even back then,Ok he had a connection and all that,but still Celtic were a big big draw.It only feels like yesterday.I would think if some sort of break away league was formed on an invitational basis.Celtic would be invited long before us.

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1 hour ago, Foxy_Bear said:

If they were in the PL, I feel Celtic would do well. Knocking around top six. They are a well run club. As much as their fans dislike their current board, they dont spend when they dont have to and they buy and scout well when they do. They have a solid infrastructure. Rangers on the other hand would be bottom of the championship within 3 years. Even in their day, they were a poorly run club. I could see it now. They would have the oldest team in the league, buying massive names who are over the hill on massive wages. 

 

I agree that we would do well in scotland but only because we are also a well run club and even then, it's hard to say we would have the same level of success that Celtic have had. Even with a poor rangers team, theres usually a half decent team who take a cup each year. To win 3 trebles in a row is impressive regardless. 

I dont think Celtic would be top 6. Big club yes no debating that...But i  also think more footballers  would want to play in England in the major cities like London,  Manchester,  Liverpool (is what it is).  It's not a dig at Glasgow at all but just my thoughts. I  could see them being mid table or in the pack we get thrown in with (Everton,  Wolves etc) seeing as we arent a "big top 6 club".

 

But it wont happen as they'd have to agree to start at the bottom of the pyramid and work their way up (only fair).

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10 hours ago, Staffs Fox said:

I think what really winds Celtic fans up is the fact we’re doing really well, third and odds on for Champions League football. I bet most of their comments when he left were along the lines of ‘can’t believe he’s left trophies and CL football (if you call the 2nd qualifying round CL football) for mid table obscurity’. The fact we’ll go straight in at the group stages and they’ll have to play and lose to the runners up of Kazakhstan must be a tough one to take 

Welcome to mediocrity they said wasn't it, before literally losing at home to Copenhagen.

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8 hours ago, Bilo said:

The awkward fact for Celtic is that they have gone as far as they're going to. They'll more than likely win their tenth in a row next season, but it'll be in a league that's ranked on par with the Swiss or Czech leagues. Yes, Celtic have a bigger fanbase than us and almost every club in English football. In football terms though, they're minnows. Making the group stages of the Champions League is their target, for PL clubs it's automatic. 

 

The best SPL managers end up where Rodgers has - at a top 6 Premier League club gunning for the Champions League and trophies.

 

If both Leicester and Celtic qualify for the Champions League next season, one of us will get a minimum of six European games while the other will probably get dumped out by BATE Borisov in early August. 

They're the Scottish Red Star Belgrade. Nobody would bat an eyelid if Red Star's manager joined any PL club either.

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4 hours ago, Heathrow fox said:

You would expect us to be in the top 3 as Leicester would be the 3rd biggest town in Scotland + have the 3rd biggest club ground.So on that basis 3rd biggest wage bill.As you well know,tv money counts for zilch up there.

 

Couldn’t agree more that Celtic would more than compete with most English teams on a level financial playing field.Would probably take a few seasons to build their squad up,but once momentum takes over anything would be possible.Which is why we will never get to find out.Arsenal,Spurs and the like are hardly going to welcome potential competition for those Euro spots.

 

Leicester are doing well right now.It just takes one relegation and it all changes.When MON left for Celtic.We excepted it.The minute Celtic showed an interest we knew he was gone.Even though we were establishing ourselves as a good Prem team.With a similar sized wage bill even back then,Ok he had a connection and all that,but still Celtic were a big big draw.It only feels like yesterday.I would think if some sort of break away league was formed on an invitational basis.Celtic would be invited long before us.

They have been talking about a breakaway league since I was young. Celtic and Rangers would be prime candidates, along with the likes of Ajax, PSV, Porto, Benfica, Sporting, Rosenberg, Copenhagen. 

 

It would make sense for teams like that. 

Any club in the top 5 leagues would be better staying put though. 

 

Having said all that, it will never happen. 

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1 hour ago, Dan LCFC said:

They're the Scottish Red Star Belgrade. Nobody would bat an eyelid if Red Star's manager joined any PL club either.

I just took a look at the coefficient rankings and Celtic are ranked 45th at present, between Krasnodar and Viktoria Plzen. 

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5 hours ago, Jattdogg said:

I dont think Celtic would be top 6. Big club yes no debating that...But i  also think more footballers  would want to play in England in the major cities like London,  Manchester,  Liverpool (is what it is).  It's not a dig at Glasgow at all but just my thoughts. I  could see them being mid table or in the pack we get thrown in with (Everton,  Wolves etc) seeing as we arent a "big top 6 club".

 

But it wont happen as they'd have to agree to start at the bottom of the pyramid and work their way up (only fair).

Well depending on how you measure it,Glasgow is actually the UKs 3rd biggest town.Or 4th biggest conurbation If you want to be picky.I know Newcastle struggle a bit with the London effect but Glasgow is certainly in that major European City bracket.It’s got a lot going for it.

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11 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

If that was the case, it'd be us being invited every year to the international champions doo-da and not them. 

 

They're box office. They can pull in 80000 in Chicago, Boston, Melbourne and be paid for it....whilst we end up.paying (yes, us paying) absolute non entities like Wolfsburg or real sociedad to.play us at home for a glamour friendly

Yes, they'll pull in 80,000 for a preseason friendly among a bunch of Massachusetts residents who spend the rest of the year watching basketball.

 

Why?

 

Because Celtic playing Manchester United in a stadium ten minutes down the road is a different proposition to watching the SPL every week. Compare our global TV audience to theirs when playing any game outside of the Old Firm.

 

In that sense, they almost become a bigger version of Forest and Derby in the sense that the two need each other to seem a bigger international draw than they are. 

 

They'll always be held back by the league that they're in while the Premier League is an asset for us. Also, how many of their XI gets into ours? Which side would you back to progress further in Europe next season as a neutral?

 

I'm happy to admit that Celtic are objectively a bigger club than us, but they're a much less attractive proposition for a player or a manager. 

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16 hours ago, KingsX said:

I don’t buy the “timing” argument.  Celtic were so set up to complete that treble, any manager would have got them home and dry.

 

What many Celtic fans can’t tolerate is that Rodgers leaving for Leicester rubbed their noses in the real status of their club.  Rodgers told them (words) they were right, that the club’s identity and domestic trophies were the biggest thing in the world to him.  Then he went and showed (actions) what they are actually worth today outside the Old Firm bubble.  Consider the sizable part of the fanbase that have their tribal identity and self-worth massively tied up with the club, and …  lasting bile and hatred.  Would there have been much less if he’d left in the summer?

 

I think LCFC fans will manage it better when he moves on, because there is more realism about the status of the club and the role finances play.

 

Interesting. Read some of the shite in the Mahrez thread about Kante leaving and our classy status might have to be revoked.

 

(Classier than the majority of Tims, but not necessarily classy)

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Celtic are a big club. Are they realistically going to be bigger than Villa, Newcastle, Everton, West Ham? There are plenty of ‘big’ clubs in England who struggle to achieve the heights of where they ‘should be based on size’.

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Fanbase alone wouldn't do Celtic any good - they need investment. That's why Bournemouth are in the Premier League and Leeds are in the Championship. 

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17 hours ago, Ashley said:

They play football in Scotland. 

 

Besides Septic and Rangers the Leagues are generally poor. 

 

If we were in the Scottish leagues we would have the same success. There was talk about Celtic and Rangers coming to the English leagues, would they do well? They'd be on par with the bottom bottom end of the Premier League and top end Championship. Would they have done well if they had an investment like Chelsea, Man City did years ago, probably. Who wouldn't have though? 

Calling them Septic is childish and inaccurate.

 

They've way much more earned the nickname Saltic in the last year because they're so ****ing easy to wind up.

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Celtic and Rangers are clubs I care nothing for in a shit league, why keep harping on about them, unless we were to play them in Europe they are of little relevance and the fact a manager like Brendan walked out on them during the season to come to a club not in Europe  says a lot.

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4 hours ago, Leeds Fox said:

Celtic are a big club. Are they realistically going to be bigger than Villa, Newcastle, Everton, West Ham? There are plenty of ‘big’ clubs in England who struggle to achieve the heights of where they ‘should be based on size’.

I know its all relative and not the main point you were making but absolutely no way West Ham are in the band of clubs as those you've grouped them with in terms of size.

 

They're probably marginally bigger than us with the gap narrowing as time goes on.

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On a different topic- please move if needed. 

 

After watching the Last Dance on the Chicago Bulls / Michael Jordan which was a fantastic documentary. Not a basketball fan but the behind the scenes and mindset of a winner was incredible to see. Wondering the possibilities of a short series like this on our title win. Thinking coming from where we did 10 years ago in league 1, to winning the league with a different style of play, not buying the league, the players deemed not good enough by the bigger side, 5000-1. Could have a fantastic documentary on this as well. 

 

I am aware / and have watched the main clubs title win videos, but they mainly focus and show the goals and celebrations. Surely something with interviews on all players, coaching staff, oppositions thoughts could well be worth a show. 

 

 

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6 hours ago, Nalis said:

I know its all relative and not the main point you were making but absolutely no way West Ham are in the band of clubs as those you've grouped them with in terms of size.

 

They're probably marginally bigger than us with the gap narrowing as time goes on.


Okay that’s a fair point, I did add West Ham in at the end. I used those avoiding Leeds, Sheff Weds etc. Saying that they do have London which is a huge draw for many players. 

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On 21/05/2020 at 12:06, Leeds Fox said:

Celtic are a big club. Are they realistically going to be bigger than Villa, Newcastle, Everton, West Ham? There are plenty of ‘big’ clubs in England who struggle to achieve the heights of where they ‘should be based on size’.

Celtic would be pretty much exactly Newcastle or Villa equivalent in the prem. 

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12 minutes ago, pmcla26 said:

Celtic would be pretty much exactly Newcastle or Villa equivalent in the prem. 


Sh!te then?

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20 hours ago, Unique FC said:

On a different topic- please move if needed. 

 

After watching the Last Dance on the Chicago Bulls / Michael Jordan which was a fantastic documentary. Not a basketball fan but the behind the scenes and mindset of a winner was incredible to see. Wondering the possibilities of a short series like this on our title win. Thinking coming from where we did 10 years ago in league 1, to winning the league with a different style of play, not buying the league, the players deemed not good enough by the bigger side, 5000-1. Could have a fantastic documentary on this as well. 

 

I am aware / and have watched the main clubs title win videos, but they mainly focus and show the goals and celebrations. Surely something with interviews on all players, coaching staff, oppositions thoughts could well be worth a show. 

 

 

I think whilst all the playing staff are still involved with the club, it’d be hard to do it completely transparently and that’s why the club’s one is a bit underwhelming. 
 

I think we’ll probably get something on Netflix etc. In 5/10 years and get a lot more insight into that season once more people cut ties with the club. 

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On 21/05/2020 at 15:29, Bilo said:

Fanbase alone wouldn't do Celtic any good - they need investment. That's why Bournemouth are in the Premier League and Leeds are in the Championship. 

They’ed be a tasty proposition for a Boston based Billionaire with Irish blood running through their veins.Thats If they were allowed down south.Won’t happen anyway hopefully.I wouldn’t want to find out.

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23 hours ago, Nalis said:

I know its all relative and not the main point you were making but absolutely no way West Ham are in the band of clubs as those you've grouped them with in terms of size.

 

They're probably marginally bigger than us with the gap narrowing as time goes on.

I think in terms of fanbase WHU are considerably ahead of us tbh.They have most of Essex behind them and that big swathe of East Greater London.Like Romford and Becton.Their fans have even moved South of the river as London becomes impossible to live in.They have a lot of thinking mans glory fans aswell.The sort who are prepared to do the hard yards.Knowing that one day they might get some glory.If you want to support a proper cockney London club,with a bit of grit and under dog reputation then West Ham’s that club.

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42 minutes ago, Heathrow fox said:

I think in terms of fanbase WHU are considerably ahead of us tbh.They have most of Essex behind them and that big swathe of East Greater London.Like Romford and Becton.Their fans have even moved South of the river as London becomes impossible to live in.They have a lot of thinking mans glory fans aswell.The sort who are prepared to do the hard yards.Knowing that one day they might get some glory.If you want to support a proper cockney London club,with a bit of grit and under dog reputation then West Ham’s that club.

Sh*te stadium though 

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