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Quote from Celtic Chat

 

’Shows the state of the footballl climate imo up here on loan and pushing to win a treble and perfoming in europe but his parent club are a mid table team with a small fan base in comparison to ourselves’

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12 minutes ago, mozartfox said:

Quote from Celtic Chat

 

’Shows the state of the footballl climate imo up here on loan and pushing to win a treble and perfoming in europe but his parent club are a mid table team with a small fan base in comparison to ourselves’

That stuck with me when i browsed there site too !!  :cheers:

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Guys some of you need to stop wetting yourselves. There is absolutely no chance of Celtic signing Benkovic and every reasonable Celtic supporter knows it. Celtic's transfer record is around £8 mill and their turnover is just over £100 mill which will drop this year as there is no Champions League cash. BR's gets bombarded with questions every day as the media generally is hostile to Celtic in Scotland.  The media constantly ask him about Benkovic to remind him he is on loan.  BR's response was spot on.  He is very professional and respectful of LCFC.  Personally I am a bit surprised Puel seems to have no interest in recalling him January. A year playing in Scotland with European experience will mean Benkovic will go straight into the Foxes starting 11 next season.

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3 hours ago, Xen said:

 

The 'aged championship player' is actually a league-winning, CL quarter-finalist CB who happens to be the club captain, and is still generally putting in performances worthy of this level.

 

The player from a side who got relegated? 12 months prior that would have described Harry Maguire. Evans is a highly experienced CB at this level (and above, whilst at Utd) who has been brought in to be the experienced head in the back line when Morgan steps back, and is a steady, reliable option.

 

When Benkovic came here he was still a bit of an unknown and throwing him into the PL so soon would have been a mistake. He's doing brilliantly out on loan, but if we recall him then he'll end up sharing minutes with 4 other players, and whilst he's impressed so far he's not likely to be the defining factor that catapults us up the table. There's no harm done to us by leaving him there, and he'll reap the benefits of regular, competitive football and come back in the summer a better player for it.

 

Putting in performances worthy of this level? He's been red carded twice in eight games this season. Fine example to set as a captain.

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22 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

Putting in performances worthy of this level? He's been red carded twice in eight games this season. Fine example to set as a captain.

Thought the general consensus was that the sending offs were Puels fault? :ph34r:

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2 hours ago, Hammo said:

It must be desperately hard for Celtic fans to accept the painful reality that their MASSIVE CLUB is, in fact, rather pitifully small and powerless when compared to a mid-ranking Premier League outfit like ours.

 

The only way they will ever sign Benkovic on a permanent deal is if he fails to do the business for us in what of course is a considerably more demanding league.

 

 

They will never sign him on a permanent deal. They will not be able to afford him. If he don't make it with us another prem side will want him. 

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4 hours ago, turtmcfly said:

Let me help with that (one page from the end at the time of posting, but there are 20 more pages of this)... http://www.talkceltic.net/forums/threads/filip-benković.148837/page-25

Thanks.

 

While it’s a depressing thought, the speculation that he may never play for us (but instead end up at a Big 6 club next summer) has also crossed my mind. 

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Big statement, but from watching him he could actually be better than anything we currently have at the club; but there's one thing playing in the Scottish league/Europa league in comparison to the Prem. 

 

Makes me far calmer on the prospect of Maguire leaving, as have Evans and Soyuncu to an extent but mostly Benkovic, but there's plenty yet to see with all of them :scarf:

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22 minutes ago, NaijaFox said:

Thanks.

 

While it’s a depressing thought, the speculation that he may never play for us (but instead end up at a Big 6 club next summer) has also crossed my mind. 

You make it sound like we will just cave as soon as a big club come along . He's got a contract  and unless a club offer very silly money he isn't going anywhere .

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3 hours ago, mozartfox said:

Quote from Celtic Chat

 

’Shows the state of the footballl climate imo up here on loan and pushing to win a treble and perfoming in europe but his parent club are a mid table team with a small fan base in comparison to ourselves’

tbf he's right isn't he; o'neil left us for bigger club and potential, which celtic historically always has been... 

 

but now we are so much more an attractive prospect which is an indictment on scottish foorball

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29 minutes ago, eblair said:

tbf he's right isn't he; o'neil left us for bigger club and potential, which celtic historically always has been... 

 

but now we are so much more an attractive prospect which is an indictment on scottish foorball

It's more a question of how far we've moved forward. Celtic have always challenged for their domestic title, they've practically always been in Europe. They haven't changed all that much. We, on the other hand, have changed out of sight.

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1 hour ago, Max Wall said:

It's more a question of how far we've moved forward. Celtic have always challenged for their domestic title, they've practically always been in Europe. They haven't changed all that much. We, on the other hand, have changed out of sight.

Or is it a question of how far financially the premier league has moved on in the past 20 years. If he stays at Celtic he’ll win league titles and cups and play in Europe every year but if he stays at Leicester he’ll win nothing and finish mid table most years yet he’ll earn probably 5 times the wages that Celtic could offer him. 

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Just now, Mint23 said:

Or is it a question of how far financially the premier league has moved on in the past 20 years. If he stays at Celtic he’ll win league titles and cups and play in Europe every year but if he stays at Leicester he’ll win nothing and finish mid table most years yet he’ll earn probably 5 times the wages that Celtic could offer him. 

Money, prestige, exposure, there's a myriad of reasons why we're more attractive.

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6 hours ago, Fox seen in Norwich said:

A fantastic deal from a business sense it has to be said

It’s not actually, if this unlikely scenario were to happen.  So we sign expensive Turkeys and get stuck with them versus signing potential Top players that are sold off for profit without even playing for LCFC.  This is a bad business model.

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3 hours ago, Max Wall said:

Money, prestige, exposure, there's a myriad of reasons why we're more attractive.

Leicester are more attractive because they pay much more money and can sign players for £30 million if they want.  You are in the biggest financial football league in the world. For most footballers it's about the money and exposure which also gives them commercial opportunities.  However, Mahrez left for a reason much in the same way Van Dijk left Celtic for the same reason.

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17 minutes ago, mozartfox said:

It’s not actually, if this unlikely scenario were to happen.  So we sign expensive Turkeys and get stuck with them versus signing potential Top players that are sold off for profit without even playing for LCFC.  This is a bad business model.

Soyuncu is an expensive turkey is that who you mean lol lol

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4 hours ago, mozartfox said:

It’s not actually, if this unlikely scenario were to happen.  So we sign expensive Turkeys and get stuck with them versus signing potential Top players that are sold off for profit without even playing for LCFC.  This is a bad business model.

I remember at the time the owners acquired the club that Vichai made the point that part of the business model would include trading in players . I think the phrase was along the lines of “investment on“improving and developing players and using the transfer system” as this was seen as providing the resources required to run with the rich set in the top 6. He was a trader and a good one too - it would be surprising if this wasn’t part of the club’s core strategy . You can swallow losses on duffers like Slimani and Silva if you’ve got nuggets like Chilwell and Maguire , Mahrez and yes to an extent, Drinkwater.

its not a risk free strategy but may work to our advantage . Chelsea who play the game on a larger scale have seen players like Salah and Lukaku become £80 mill players without hardly ever playing for the club and from whom they didn’t even extract the maximum value 

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He is maguires replacement for next season,he won’t be back in January,

maguire signing a contract was simply so ensure we get a substantial fee,

benkovic is being moulded to simply slot in to his place,with soyunca replacing Morgan next season,

morgan will get a 12 month extension on his contract as a back up centre half

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7 minutes ago, surrifox said:

I remember at the time the owners acquired the club that Vichai made the point that part of the business model would include trading in players . I think the phrase was along the lines of “investment on“improving and developing players and using the transfer system” as this was seen as providing the resources required to run with the rich set in the top 6. He was a trader and a good one too - it would be surprising if this wasn’t part of the club’s core strategy . You can swallow losses on duffers like Slimani and Silva if you’ve got nuggets like Chilwell and Maguire , Mahrez and yes to an extent, Drinkwater.

its not a risk free strategy but may work to our advantage . Chelsea who play the game on a larger scale have seen players like Salah and Lukaku become £80 mill players without hardly ever playing for the club and from whom they didn’t even extract the maximum value 

Chelsea trade players because they have better ones in the first team squad.  We do not have that luxury.  We need to chop out quite a few first team squad members over the next 6 months and by no stretch of the imagination does that include Benko.  

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For goodness sakes it's Celtic. They are at best a mid-table English championship level and their opposition are even worse. We won't know how good Benkovic is until he plays at our level. Even our own Benny would look good playing for Celtic.

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26 minutes ago, Bunyip said:

For goodness sakes it's Celtic. They are at best a mid-table English championship level and their opposition are even worse. We won't know how good Benkovic is until he plays at our level. Even our own Benny would look good playing for Celtic.

This! 

Celtic's league opposition are league one standard at best! 

Celtic themselves are a good championship side. 

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1 hour ago, surrifox said:

I remember at the time the owners acquired the club that Vichai made the point that part of the business model would include trading in players . I think the phrase was along the lines of “investment on“improving and developing players and using the transfer system” as this was seen as providing the resources required to run with the rich set in the top 6. He was a trader and a good one too - it would be surprising if this wasn’t part of the club’s core strategy . You can swallow losses on duffers like Slimani and Silva if you’ve got nuggets like Chilwell and Maguire , Mahrez and yes to an extent, Drinkwater.

its not a risk free strategy but may work to our advantage . Chelsea who play the game on a larger scale have seen players like Salah and Lukaku become £80 mill players without hardly ever playing for the club and from whom they didn’t even extract the maximum value 

I think our strategy was to use the transfer system when we had the best scout in the game. Now the quality of the players we have are not easily replaced. We sold Mahrez and Kante but we did not easily replace them. If we sell England's centre half and left back we won't easily replace them either. A mid table Premier League club won't attract the players to replace England internationals. Only the top six will. We may attract young promising players with our academy and tendency to give young players a sustained chance in the first team. But we're not at the state where either our academy or our scouting can earlsily replace top young internationals like Chilwell and Maguire - hopefully one day if our academy, its reputation and our reputation for playing youngsters keeps improving but I can't see that happening today. 

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1 hour ago, Foxxed said:

 hopefully one day if our academy, its reputation and our reputation for playing youngsters keeps improving but I can't see that happening today. 

Best hope Puel don't get sacked anytime soon then. Or pray his replacement likes to play the youngsters. 

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