Kasper Schmeichel...

[BKLFox 706]

19 hours ago, Beachyboy said:

Frustration? why didn't he take it out on the ball earlier and clear it then? same could be said for Evans who is more culpable, Hamza will get blame but I place it more on Evans.

How so Evans if you mean for the PEN?

He got the ball, Morgan gave the PEN despite what tweedle dee & his mate might have said in commentary, if Morgan didn't go in & ref gave Pen on Evans alone then VAR could have over ruled by saying Evans got a touch of the ball 1st but with Morgan there it wasn't a clear & obvious mistake because they say ok Evans got the ball but Morgans caught the back of attacking player (despite Evans taking the ball a split 2nd before) so PEN upheld.

ps Hamza was to blame for creating the situation

[Gevans_97 365]

People that are asking for him to go need to be realistic. Who, realistically are we going to be able to get in that's better than him? Even if we managed to find someone better than him, how much are they going to cost? 

 

There's so many areas we actually need to improve in - can you imagine us buying a new GK for 40mil and then not buying anyone decent on the wing or in midfield? We're not made of money. 

[adejo92 1,161]

One of the best GK's in English football however he needs to know the limits of his own ability.

 

If i had the time, effort and resources, i could probably put together a 40 minute compilation of errors with complimentary Benny Hill backing music.

 

That said, i could probably do the same video filled with breath taking saves.

[WigstonWanderer 2,375]

The only crucial mistake was the one against Bournemouth. This one made no difference. He’s made some wonderful saves since the restart.

Edited 27 July 2020 by WigstonWanderer

[Corky 13,662]

The mistake yesterday, whilst ultimately being meaningless for the season, summed up an issue that's been prevalent for a while. Why is he passing it out when we need a goal? Why hasn't he thumped it upfield to try and create something?

 

Just not enough urgency when we're losing at times.

[Fox92 11,775]

3 minutes ago, Corky said:

The mistake yesterday, whilst ultimately being meaningless for the season, summed up an issue that's been prevalent for a while. Why is he passing it out when we need a goal? Why hasn't he thumped it upfield to try and create something?

 

Just not enough urgency when we're losing at times.

Rodgers not having a plan B is an issue. A large percentage of our players aren't good enough to retain the ball.

 

Was a stupid mistake by Kasper, somewhat meaningless, but they'll all be told to retain the ball. It's too slow for me, even more so when we're losing. There's never any urgency when we're 1 down.

 

Kasper has made a couple mistakes this season but also he's made some good saves (including penalties) which have also won us points. Think back to Brighton H.

[purpleronnie 6,542]

1 hour ago, Corky said:

The mistake yesterday, whilst ultimately being meaningless for the season, summed up an issue that's been prevalent for a while. Why is he passing it out when we need a goal? Why hasn't he thumped it upfield to try and create something?

 

Just not enough urgency when we're losing at times.

Goalkeepers should realize they're goalkeepers for a reason and not try and take players on.

[goody2028 1,336]

1 hour ago, Corky said:

The mistake yesterday, whilst ultimately being meaningless for the season, summed up an issue that's been prevalent for a while. Why is he passing it out when we need a goal? Why hasn't he thumped it upfield to try and create something?

 

Just not enough urgency when we're losing at times.

Watching back on the highlights the angle from behind the goal shows just how many players we’ve committed forward as well. Get the ball up field and put them under pressure. Granted a goal probably wouldn’t of came to anything anyway. 

[HankMarvin 5,147]

Pros Good shot stopper, but the shot to save percentage of top flight GKs is a very small increase from 20th -1st.

 

2 penalty saves

 

SAVES

 

 

Cons

 

PUNCHES

 

 

 

 

HIGH CLAIMS

 

 

SWEEPER CLEARANCES

 

 

 

For the people that say he saved us so many points, what about the flip-side and the inability to command his area.

His not getting any better as he gets older, so if the club don't want to replace him they really need to have a deputy pushing for a starting place for when KS does make mistakes. Certainly shouldn't be undroppable next season when mistakes are made.

 

 

 

Edited 27 July 2020 by HankMarvin

[TheUltimateWinner 6,658]

Every keeper makes mistakes, I think the fact he's made two in quick succession is causing people to over-react a little.

 

He's still one of the best keepers in the league in my eyes.

[Beachyboy 152]

On 27/07/2020 at 14:15, BKLFox said:

How so Evans if you mean for the PEN?

He got the ball, Morgan gave the PEN despite what tweedle dee & his mate might have said in commentary, if Morgan didn't go in & ref gave Pen on Evans alone then VAR could have over ruled by saying Evans got a touch of the ball 1st but with Morgan there it wasn't a clear & obvious mistake because they say ok Evans got the ball but Morgans caught the back of attacking player (despite Evans taking the ball a split 2nd before) so PEN upheld.

ps Hamza was to blame for creating the situation

The pass to Choudary a nothing pass Thomas was on, an putting someone who isn't renowned for being good on the ball under pressure, have a look at the picture he had prior to playing that pass, he can see the whole field with the ball at his feet there, Choudary can't, there is far to many nothing passes played in the defensive third, which usually end by a shit Schmeichel kick to an opposition player or touch. Morgan is also culpable how the ball isn't played to Justin and forwards is beyond me.

Edited 29 July 2020 by Beachyboy

[Countryfox 8,459]

Thought Nick Pope was brilliant for the claret and blue cloggers on Sunday ...   every ball near him was plucked out of the air with ease ...   with his big defenders in front of him all our corners came to nothing .....     funny thing was every time they had a corner or swung the ball in my heart was in my mouth.

 

Just saying ....  

[pmcla26 2,208]

4 minutes ago, Countryfox said:

Thought Nick Pope was brilliant for the claret and blue cloggers on Sunday ...   every ball near him was plucked out of the air with ease ...   with his big defenders in front of him all our corners came to nothing .....     funny thing was every time they had a corner or swung the ball in my heart was in my mouth.

 

Just saying ....  

If Kasper was 6 inches taller and Pope was vice versa, I'm sure it'd be different too. 

 

Likewise I doubt Pope would be able to match Kasper for sweeping behind the high line. 

 

People don't look at goalkeeper's specific strengths and weaknesses like they were any other position, they're simply either good or bad. Both Pope and Kasper are very good keepers.

[Claridge 768]

Kaspers great one on one, but not even average at a lot of other aspects of keeping

[pmcla26 2,208]

3 minutes ago, Claridge said:

Kaspers great one on one, but not even average at a lot of other aspects of keeping

Who'd be a keeper, eh? Top keeper like Kasper not even average in most departments? Right...

[coolhandfox 3,116]

10 minutes ago, Countryfox said:

Thought Nick Pope was brilliant for the claret and blue cloggers on Sunday ...   every ball near him was plucked out of the air with ease ...   with his big defenders in front of him all our corners came to nothing .....     funny thing was every time they had a corner or swung the ball in my heart was in my mouth.

 

Just saying ....  

Hardy surprising, given Burnley were rank no 2 for goals from set pieces in the league last.

 

He not the only keeper they give a hard time to! 

 

And we aren't the most challenging team to play against set pieces wise! 

[Countryfox 8,459]

10 minutes ago, pmcla26 said:

If Kasper was 6 inches taller and Pope was vice versa, I'm sure it'd be different too. 

 

Likewise I doubt Pope would be able to match Kasper for sweeping behind the high line. 

 

People don't look at goalkeeper's specific strengths and weaknesses like they were any other position, they're simply either good or bad. Both Pope and Kasper are very good keepers.

 

Ok ...   but lets put it another way ...  (and I love Kasper) ..  if they swapped teams would it be an improvement for us ...    hypothetically ..   

[pmcla26 2,208]

1 minute ago, Countryfox said:

 

Ok ...   but lets put it another way ...  (and I love Kasper) ..  if they swapped teams would it be an improvement for us ...    hypothetically ..   

I'm not sure really, think it's very much of a muchness. Two similar quality keepers with very different strengths and weaknesses.

 

I think both suit their respective sides better rather than vice versa. 

[Claridge 768]

27 minutes ago, pmcla26 said:

Who'd be a keeper, eh? Top keeper like Kasper not even average in most departments? Right...

Crosses, distribution, free kicks, commanding the area, barely average at any of those. reflex saves and one on ones excellent. Pope would upgrade us a lot as we are a fairly small side

[oxford blue 274]

Kasper has, no doubt. many strengths. His main weaknesses are - at times - indecisiveness in coming for a ball at set pieces and - for me, the main one - his distribution in trying to build from the back. Perhaps understandable to a certain extent as this has only recently become part of the keeper's game, but too often we back under pressure because of a poor decision on who to pass to. Opponents like Man City, our next league game, can particularly take advantage with their high pressing and speed in their forward line. 

[pmcla26 2,208]

1 minute ago, Claridge said:

Crosses, distribution, free kicks, commanding the area, barely average at any of those. reflex saves and one on ones excellent. Pope would upgrade us a lot as we are a fairly small side

I take it you mean average in relation to the rest of the Premier League? 

 

With regards to crosses and commanding his area, when does Kasper ever come for anything that he can't get? Very, very rarely, if ever. His decision making is good in that regard. Dealing with crosses and commanding your area is a lot more about communication and making the right decision rather than claiming every ball. Kasper simply isn't physically able to come and collect every cross without being several inches taller, so he makes the best of his resources. The back line know that most of the time he will stay and it's their job first to get their heads on the ball, unless Kasper calls, there isn't a mixed message where the ball gets left by all parties and results in us conceding. 

 

Everyone goes on about his distribution, but look back to when we were in the Championship. It has come on leaps and bounds. He made two high profile errors with his distribution vs Bournemouth and Man U last season, however for the most part I think it's very harsh to say it's below average. Look at Pope's distribution in comparison, long balls or simple roll outs. I think too much is expected of Kasper with regards to that aspect of his game, especially as he was bred as some of the last before the ball playing keeper days began. Overall there aren't many keepers, apart from the obvious ones in Alisson and Ederson, who are more comfortable with the ball at their feet (also, don't think it's really something holding us back) 

 

Pope is a good keeper, but I don't think he'd improve us dramatically. A year of watching him trying to play out from the back and sweep a high line maybe your opinion would change of both him and Kasper. They've both got very different strengths and weaknesses but are both top class stoppers.

[Bayfox 2,747]

That's the thing with kasper for me. He excels in a couple of areas, could improve in others massively.

 

However realistically who do you buy that is a huge upgrade and how much would they then cost.

 

 

[Countryfox 8,459]

10 minutes ago, pmcla26 said:

I take it you mean average in relation to the rest of the Premier League? 

 

With regards to crosses and commanding his area, when does Kasper ever come for anything that he can't get? Very, very rarely, if ever. His decision making is good in that regard. Dealing with crosses and commanding your area is a lot more about communication and making the right decision rather than claiming every ball. Kasper simply isn't physically able to come and collect every cross without being several inches taller, so he makes the best of his resources. The back line know that most of the time he will stay and it's their job first to get their heads on the ball, unless Kasper calls, there isn't a mixed message where the ball gets left by all parties and results in us conceding. 

 

Everyone goes on about his distribution, but look back to when we were in the Championship. It has come on leaps and bounds. He made two high profile errors with his distribution vs Bournemouth and Man U last season, however for the most part I think it's very harsh to say it's below average. Look at Pope's distribution in comparison, long balls or simple roll outs. I think too much is expected of Kasper with regards to that aspect of his game, especially as he was bred as some of the last before the ball playing keeper days began. Overall there aren't many keepers, apart from the obvious ones in Alisson and Ederson, who are more comfortable with the ball at their feet (also, don't think it's really something holding us back) 

 

Pope is a good keeper, but I don't think he'd improve us dramatically. A year of watching him trying to play out from the back and sweep a high line maybe your opinion would change of both him and Kasper. They've both got very different strengths and weaknesses but are both top class stoppers.

 I can see you love Kasper more than me ! .. 

 

But ...  your second paragraph about crosses ..  he comes out for fvck all basically and many a team will get an easy nod in ...  it costs us.   
 

If we are really striving to get into the ‘elite’ then one day this will become an issue ..  as regards Pope I think he is a class keeper ...   and maybe at this moment in time we could prise him away from the cloggers ...   however ...   having said all that I do appreciate that Kasper is more to us than just a keeper ...   and for that reason alone  I’d keep him. 

[Bert 6,565]

1 hour ago, Countryfox said:

Thought Nick Pope was brilliant for the claret and blue cloggers on Sunday ...   every ball near him was plucked out of the air with ease ...   with his big defenders in front of him all our corners came to nothing .....     funny thing was every time they had a corner or swung the ball in my heart was in my mouth.

 

Just saying ....  

Apart from the one he spilled

[Countryfox 8,459]

1 minute ago, Bert said:

Apart from the one he spilled

Yes ...   apart from that one .. 

 

Better to have come and spilled than never to have come at all ...