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1 hour ago, volpeazzurro said:

Absolutely. Let em go. I predict 1, possibly 2 years and the novelty will have worn off,  it just won't be that special compared to the Premiership anymore. Man City struggle to fill the ground for European matches as it is  and I mean no offence to them by that.  If they leave they should only do so in the knowledge that to return will cost an absolute ransom or have to go into the championship in order to fight for promotion. Though possibly the FA will get bought off as well.

That can’t happen because their positions  in the league would have been taken by other clubs, unless the league sizes were to be increased. They would have to re register as a football club and start at the bottom.

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Remember when some of our fans defended playing in that ridiculous International Champions Cup organised by that nobhead American.

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On 06/11/2018 at 20:02, mozartfox said:

Yep- Thanks I am sure some will find this quite enlightening.

Raises 1 very good point. The handing out of 1 pot between all these clubs that have museums dedicated to success seems a little weird.

 

But the suggestion that the likes of juve and Milan wouldn't or couldn't compete if they had the money seems a little short sighted.

 

Milans or turin becomes the same as the madrid/barca thing. Lifestyle and weather wise how many plump for man city if you can earn the same money?

 

In general however I have felt a world league has been coming for a while now. The world gets smaller all the time and the tv viewer is the king for marketing and advertising companies.

 

The big problem to create the truly global competition they really want is how the **** they make an American/ Arab State and Australian franchise that can become anything close to Man Utd, Barca, Madrid, Boca, River etc.

 

But I think purely based on the fact the sport is now so TV driven we will see something akin to this in my lifetime.

 

The bit where it falls down is it will have to become a closed shop but like the NFL it will end up being effectively a franchise system. If we can't sell out we will move you somewhere we can. 

 

If people in Manchester get bored we just stick you in Dublin for 2 years and when that novelty wears off we will stick you in the states somewhere lol

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On 07/11/2018 at 20:55, st albans fox said:

Fifa and uefa say that anyone playing in a breakaway league would not be eligible for euros or world cups .........

Infantino is just playing for money. He couldn't care two hoots, he's just annoyed he's not being cut into the action!

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10 hours ago, volpeazzurro said:

Absolutely. Let em go. I predict 1, possibly 2 years and the novelty will have worn off,  it just won't be that special compared to the Premiership anymore. Man City struggle to fill the ground for European matches as it is  and I mean no offence to them by that.  If they leave they should only do so in the knowledge that to return will cost an absolute ransom or have to go into the championship in order to fight for promotion. Though possibly the FA will get bought off as well.

Start in the championship? 

 

Like fvck they start none league conference or whatever its called. They jump ship then they pay the price to return. Fvcking championship. 

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7 hours ago, sylofox said:

Start in the championship? 

 

Like fvck they start none league conference or whatever its called. They jump ship then they pay the price to return. Fvcking championship. 

I’m afraid to tell you that if they left there wouldn’t be a League to come back to.Not in its present state anyway.Most clubs all the way down the chain would be thrown into chaos by the knock on effect.No top six no big tv deal.

 

The Premier League trickles money down in the form of solidarity payments to all clubs in the EFL.It might not be a lot but it’s a life line to a lot of clubs.The EFL tv deal would also take a massive hit.A lot of clubs would go part time.Could Leicester City justify charging £30/£70 for a ticket in a sub standard league?Prices would tumble all the way down the line.

 

Owners of ambitious championship clubs would be off like a shot when the pot of gold is taken away.What would be the point.A lot would go into administration overnight.The likes of us and the West Ham’s etc would also take an almighty shafting.It stin

 

The top six are more powerful then the rest put together,and some.Be grateful that so far they have the good sense to see that everyones stronger together,which maintains the strongest league structure in the world.It stinks I know but that’s the way it is.

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1 minute ago, Heathrow fox said:

I’m afraid to tell you that if they left there wouldn’t be a League to come back to.Not in its present state anyway.Most clubs all the way down the chain would be thrown into chaos by the knock on effect.No top six no big tv deal.

 

The Premier League trickles money down in the form of solidarity payments to all clubs in the EFL.It might not be a lot but it’s a life line to a lot of clubs.The EFL tv deal would also take a massive hit.A lot of clubs would go part time.Could Leicester City justify charging £30/£70 for a ticket in a sub standard league?Prices would tumble all the way down the line.

 

Owners of ambitious championship clubs would be off like a shot when the pot of gold is taken away.What would be the point.A lot would go into administration overnight.The likes of us and the West Ham’s etc would also take an almighty shafting.It stin

 

The top six are more powerful then the rest put together,and some.Be grateful that so far they have the good sense to see that everyones stronger together,which maintains the strongest league structure in the world.It stinks I know but that’s the way it is.

Oh how silly.

 

Football would stop because  teams left the league.

 

I wonder how football survives in the Congo.

 

Sort yourself out man.

 

And what are these "footballers" going to do become brain surgeons.

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2 minutes ago, FIF said:

Oh how silly.

 

Football would stop because  teams left the league.

 

I wonder how football survives in the Congo.

 

Sort yourself out man.

 

And what are these "footballers" going to do become brain surgeons.

lol agreed seems some think football only exists because of five sides. 

 

I don't see this happening its a way to screw more money out of the other clubs. Let's be honest our top five if they move could become the bottom five. See how that goes down with sponsors and fans. 

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I'm grateful to them for nothing. They've all acted disgracefully in this regard, they're the ultimate evil of this sport, all the 'elite' clubs.

 

There is no doubting there would be some knock-on effect but all of these things that we're regularly told we should champion... who exactly is the ultimate beneficiary? The standard of the football wouldn't be as high in the short-term but we'd get a better matchday experience in the end I think. It would rid the game of the majority of the parasites for sure.

 

Remember Stillitano after we got into the Champions League, saying how it's bad for football and that they need Manchester United in there. This is the types the game will be rid of, and that can only be a positive.

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11 minutes ago, Heathrow fox said:

I’m afraid to tell you that if they left there wouldn’t be a League to come back to.Not in its present state anyway.Most clubs all the way down the chain would be thrown into chaos by the knock on effect.No top six no big tv deal.

 

The Premier League trickles money down in the form of solidarity payments to all clubs in the EFL.It might not be a lot but it’s a life line to a lot of clubs.The EFL tv deal would also take a massive hit.A lot of clubs would go part time.Could Leicester City justify charging £30/£70 for a ticket in a sub standard league?Prices would tumble all the way down the line.

 

Owners of ambitious championship clubs would be off like a shot when the pot of gold is taken away.What would be the point.A lot would go into administration overnight.The likes of us and the West Ham’s etc would also take an almighty shafting.It stin

 

The top six are more powerful then the rest put together,and some.Be grateful that so far they have the good sense to see that everyones stronger together,which maintains the strongest league structure in the world.It stinks I know but that’s the way it is.

People won't stop paying to watch their club home away. Whether it's Leicester City, Luton Town or Aldershot.

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23 minutes ago, FIF said:

Oh how silly.

 

Football would stop because  teams left the league.

 

I wonder how football survives in the Congo.

 

Sort yourself out man.

 

And what are these "footballers" going to do become brain surgeons.

I should imagine footballers in the Congo don’t earn a great deal.I didn’t say football would stop.It would take a massive financial hit though and players wages would fall.Unless you think that sky would pay millions for a league without the big boys in it.

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43 minutes ago, Heathrow fox said:

I’m afraid to tell you that if they left there wouldn’t be a League to come back to.Not in its present state anyway.Most clubs all the way down the chain would be thrown into chaos by the knock on effect.No top six no big tv deal.

 

The Premier League trickles money down in the form of solidarity payments to all clubs in the EFL.It might not be a lot but it’s a life line to a lot of clubs.The EFL tv deal would also take a massive hit.A lot of clubs would go part time.Could Leicester City justify charging £30/£70 for a ticket in a sub standard league?Prices would tumble all the way down the line.

 

Owners of ambitious championship clubs would be off like a shot when the pot of gold is taken away.What would be the point.A lot would go into administration overnight.The likes of us and the West Ham’s etc would also take an almighty shafting.It stin

 

The top six are more powerful then the rest put together,and some.Be grateful that so far they have the good sense to see that everyones stronger together,which maintains the strongest league structure in the world.It stinks I know but that’s the way it is.

Undoubtedly any deal for them to leave would involve them in handing money over to whatever structure is left behind. Sure there won’t be as much as now but as most of it goes in player wages they’ll be the ones to be most affected.

 

I suspect we’d see very few English Players in a Euro league.

 

You don’t think the payments the PL pays now  to the lower leagues and the parachute payments were offered voluntarily it was part of the agreement with the FL and the FA when they reluctantly agreed to the formation of the PL.

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30 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

People won't stop paying to watch their club home away. Whether it's Leicester City, Luton Town or Aldershot.

You might be willing to pay top dollar to watch a devalued league but most wouldn’t.Ticket prices would fall in each league.Thats how the market works.

 

Aldershot currently charge £18 to stand and £20 to sit.If you break down an average home crowd of 2000 taking away 800 season tickets who have already paid,and the 300 free tickets they give away  you are left with 900 paying fans.

 

If you factor in 300 reduced tickets(kids oaps etc) you are looking at a takings of £15000ish.Not bad until you realise it costs £12000 just to put a match on re-police electric stewards staff etc.Ok they make a bit on extras,sponsorship food and the rest but you could see how something like this would fuddle a club like Aldershot.

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20 minutes ago, Heathrow fox said:

I should imagine footballers in the Congo don’t earn a great deal.I didn’t say football would stop.It would take a massive financial hit though and players wages would fall.Unless you think that sky would pay millions for a league without the big boys in it.

I bet they get paid more that non footballers, it's all relative, and a house in downtown Kinshasa (one of the capital cities i didn't know so had to look that up) wouldn't be that expensive. And i think sky would still have to pay millions for the premier league as they wouldn't be able to afford a new super league which would have the tv rights owned by some american franchise.

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13 minutes ago, davieG said:

Undoubtedly any deal for them to leave would involve them in handing money over to whatever structure is left behind. Sure there won’t be as much as now but as most of it goes in player wages they’ll be the ones to be most affected.

 

I suspect we’d see very few English Players in a Euro league.

 

You don’t think the payments the PL pays now  to the lower leagues and the parachute payments were offered voluntarily it was part of the agreement with the FL and the FA when they reluctantly agreed to the formation of the PL.

Yes I fully agree I’m not sticking up for them just pointing out that our league structure is the strongest in the world and it’s strong because of the money that flows in from the top.

 

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15 hours ago, Heathrow fox said:

I should imagine footballers in the Congo don’t earn a great deal.I didn’t say football would stop.It would take a massive financial hit though and players wages would fall.Unless you think that sky would pay millions for a league without the big boys in it.

So all you are really saying is that footballers in the "new" top English division would need to accept less wages. Agreed. what's the big deal in that? Those footballers would rather play football for whatever the wage is than work as a Brickie. Football would continue in England as it does throughout the world.

 

 

15 hours ago, Heathrow fox said:

You might be willing to pay top dollar to watch a devalued league but most wouldn’t.Ticket prices would fall in each league.Thats how the market works.

 

Aldershot currently charge £18 to stand and £20 to sit.If you break down an average home crowd of 2000 taking away 800 season tickets who have already paid,and the 300 free tickets they give away  you are left with 900 paying fans.

 

If you factor in 300 reduced tickets(kids oaps etc) you are looking at a takings of £15000ish.Not bad until you realise it costs £12000 just to put a match on re-police electric stewards staff etc.Ok they make a bit on extras,sponsorship food and the rest but you could see how something like this would fuddle a club like Aldershot.

 

The quality of football at Aldershot won't change at all will it? So why would you not be willing to pay what you were before? Most likely that the TV revenue for Aldershot won't change that much either. Interest may even increase as Aldershot would have a better chance of winning the league title and Cups than they do in this oligopoly.

 

Of course a change in ticket prices could be a good thing anyway. Reduce the price at Aldershot to£ and fill the stadium.

 

I understand your point I just thing you got a bit carried away. 5 clubs leaving the Prem will not be catastrophic for Football in general or English football in particular. It may even help the game by removing the ludicrous fees that these teams are paying for players (whilst still allowing them to sell any top players for stupid fees to the Eurogiants) re-setting the spiralling wage structures that have a good chance of harming the league and returning local football to the local people. I guess some Arse and Chelsea fans may even decide to watch Orient or Brentford home games instead of travelling to Munich on a wet Thursday midnight ko (so that it's reasonable for Asians and Americans) on board a ryanair flight in February. 

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