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10 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

Goes to ground far to often for the modern game. He's going to keep coming unstuck if he doesn't learn to stay in his feet.

 

In comparison how often do you see Wilf go to ground? 

 

Need to be more tactical aware, he was on a booking and should have never made that tackle, it was in the final 3rd with lots of cover, brainless.

This is a major problem.  He's reckless, and even if he's not a dirty player if you make reckless challenges all day some of them will lead to yellows or even reds.  N'didi looks so calm and composed in that role - Mendy too - but Hamza is a bull in a china shop.

 

I agree the first yellow yesterday was dubious at best, but I'm frankly astonished to see anyone complaining about the second one - being a loyal fan doesn't mean you have to ignore reality.  You wan't find a more blatant yellow than that one, and whether the first one was unjust or not the point is you're on a caution and you just can't do what Choudhury did to earn the second.  Bad judgment, which is a recurring problem which can only partly be written off due to youth. 

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1 hour ago, MPH said:

 

Id actually say that’s exactly why he got his second yellow... it was very reckless- a player was going past him and he chopped him down so it would be considered dirty too.  also, he was very very lucky not to get sent off earlier in the season  with a challenge that was far worse.

You're right that it was reckless, but some people are going way too far in suggesting that he will fail to make the grade because of his physicality. There are far dirtier players out there, and we've had plenty of players over the course of recent history who have played a key role because of their 'brute force'. Our issue at the moment isn't too much physicality and aggression - it's quite the opposite.

 

His sending off yesterday was wrong. It was for two yellows and one wasn't a yellow. Was it mindless of him to dive in for the second? Well, he was played into trouble and didn't deal well with the situation, then got himself a second booking, so on balance - yes - that's a blot in his copy book. But if all key decisions were forensically analysed then we wouldn't have been on the receiving end of the one major refereeing decision that was actually incorrect. Simply put, he shouldn't have been sent off. Just like Wolves shouldn't have had their disallowed goal. They're the rules, and in one case they were followed, in another they weren't.

 

As for managers singling him out, I'm afraid I disagree with those saying that every manager does that. Managers saw that Choudhury's physicality posed a threat, a small minority of them who were in questionable positions to complain about it made an issue, and I'm not sure we did enough to stand up for him. But I can't think of too many past Leicester managers who have singled out opposition players for being unnecessarily aggressive. If they did, I'd expect it was a good deal more justified than Klopp's griping over Hamza.

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I think he's better further forward than Ndidi. I'd go with a midfield of Ndidi, Choudhury and Maddison against the bigger sides.


I actually thought he had an OK game at Wolves but he's let himself down a bit - admittedly quite unlucky too, was definitely a yellow for the second one and just a natural reaction to a mistake. The first was an absolute joke decision from Dean. Not even a foul. Should be able to overturn nonsense like that.

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For me his physicality is the best thing about him and he’s learning all the time! it’s the rest of his game that needs a big improvement.

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He's a good player that has the potential to get better. A physical player in todays game is going to pick up cards. Needs to learn to stay on his feet a little more and be a little less rash, but its going to be a balancing act, if you dont want to eliminate the physicality from his game completely. Certainly no reason to beat up on him, particulalry if he continues to develop and learn. If he doesnt learn he wont play....so I'm guessing that chances are he will learn

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People saying he was unlucky with the red. Perhaps, but he made a decision whilst on a yellow that was always going to reduce us to 10.

 

What people are forgetting is how lucky he was with the disallowed goal. That was really half hearted stuff. 

 

Thought he played well otherwise! But can't see him improving enough for where we're wanting to go.

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He’ll learn from this, and then next season everyone will be saying why did anyone doubt him.

 

were all too quick to overreact after one game especially one where he shouldn’t be sent off plus had a pretty good one up till that point

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I've not seen it back but my memory of the second yellow was he slipped over, was about to lose the ball so brought down their bloke before he could get to it - kind of an instinctive reaction but a stupid one when you're already on a yellow, so he deserved to go. If he wasn't on a yellow I'd have said it was clever play, but on a yellow it's madness.

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42 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

I've not seen it back but my memory of the second yellow was he slipped over, was about to lose the ball so brought down their bloke before he could get to it - kind of an instinctive reaction but a stupid one when you're already on a yellow, so he deserved to go. If he wasn't on a yellow I'd have said it was clever play, but on a yellow it's madness.

 

You remember correctly. Daft thing to do when already in the book.

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22 hours ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

You remember correctly. Daft thing to do when already in the book.

It's the type of mistake that will determine the level he will achieve. If he can't improve his decision making process he won't last in the premier league.

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I had a somewhat unpleasant dream last night. Hamza he was training as usual but he’d cut his hair. It didn’t look good. I felt really sorry for the kid.

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On 16/02/2020 at 11:49, sdb said:

People saying he was unlucky with the red. Perhaps, but he made a decision whilst on a yellow that was always going to reduce us to 10.

 

What people are forgetting is how lucky he was with the disallowed goal. That was really half hearted stuff. 

 

Thought he played well otherwise! But can't see him improving enough for where we're wanting to go.

Not so sure I can agree with this. His first proper premier league season in and around the first team is always going to be a massive learning curve and he’d still walk into most bottom half PL sides. 

It was only a few years ago he couldn’t get into the Burton Albion first team and there were rumours of him being sold to league 1/2 clubs. He’s still got plenty of improvement left in him. Especially under Brendan.

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9 hours ago, 5waller5 said:

Two harsh yellows, let's not hang him out to dry!

The second was as un-harsh as a yellow can get.

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On 16/02/2020 at 03:10, inckley fox said:

His sending off yesterday was wrong. It was for two yellows and one wasn't a yellow. Was it mindless of him to dive in for the second? Well, he was played into trouble and didn't deal well with the situation, then got himself a second booking, so on balance - yes - that's a blot in his copy book. But if all key decisions were forensically analysed then we wouldn't have been on the receiving end of the one major refereeing decision that was actually incorrect. Simply put, he shouldn't have been sent off. Just like Wolves shouldn't have had their disallowed goal. They're the rules, and in one case they were followed, in another they weren't.

Why shouldn’t Wolves goal have been disallowed? It was offside? 

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You can't expect a young lad with little experience to pop in and out of a team ad hoc, at Premiership level, and perform the same as an experienced regular player of the level of Ndidi! How many regular games has it taken such a gifted player to get where he is? With regular experience will come composure and perhaps a little better reading of the game. His aggression is a major plus for me and it makes any opposition uneasy, he will learn to control it better given more game time. Some people expect far too much given his age and opportunities thus far. In many other Premiership teams he'd have perhaps been played more and been further ahead in his development. We're lucky to have him and his detractors should perhaps worry a bit more about losing him if he becomes disillusioned. 

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1 hour ago, Wymsey said:

Surprised that LCFC haven't appealed against his sending off.

we can't, you can't appeal yellow cards except for mistaken identity 

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Bias of some football fans knows no bounds. That 2nd yellow was never harsh lol. About a nailed-on yellow as you can get. Instincive from Hamza, yes. But there was literally no complaints from him or the rest of the team. He knew what he'd done and took the punishment accordingly. 

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