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The depth of both World Wars is incredible, you could find out something completely new to you everyday. I’m a bit obsessed with Leicestershire’s history and only just now read about the Raider of Loughborough, a Zeppelin that killed 10 people in WWI.

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Went to Berlin this xmas . Hitlers bunker is now a parking lot to a simple block of flats . Just a little sign to depict what it once was.

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9 hours ago, woznotwos said:

Went to Berlin this xmas . Hitlers bunker is now a parking lot to a simple block of flats . Just a little sign to depict what it once was.

I went a couple of years back, it’s an interesting but odd City, obviously lots of historical places to visit.

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30 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

We went to the Imperial War Museum in Tokyo a couple years ago, now that was properly strange. A real mix of perspective, some of it quite fair and interesting - emphasising how the European colonial powers had no place in the Pacific, highlighting America's poor treatment of Japan forced them in to Pearl Harbour and war, etc. 

 

Some of it was openly creepy, though, like the one tiny line on Nanjing which said something like "a small group of hard-line trouble makers were disciplined" which is probably the biggest understatement in any museum ever. 

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On 08/02/2019 at 09:46, leicsmac said:

It's quite amazing how we find such horrifying times in history so fascinating and interesting, isn't it? Not to mention how such times are often a massive driver of scientific progress.

 

I wonder why that is?

For me, it's interesting becasue it's just about within living memory. 70 years really isn't that long in the grand scheme of things, to think major European powers were slugging it out that recently really interests me. Also the relatively modern military doctrines are easier to read about, WW1 was relatively crude in comparison, at least on the western front. 

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10 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

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Yeah exactly. 

 

Whilst I'm fond of Japan, I'm not naive, I'm well aware it has both a very distasteful military history and a very uncomfortable modern relationship with that fact that wavers from silent shame to militant denial. 

 

But I was still taken aback by the display to the point I sort of laughed abruptly and had to check myself. I hadn't really expected to see it mentioned at all, I mean unless I missed something there was zero reference to comfort women (for example) anywhere. But somehow mentioning Nanjing and then severely downplaying it to a footnote seemed worse. 

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9 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

For me, it's interesting becasue it's just about within living memory. 70 years really isn't that long in the grand scheme of things, to think major European powers were slugging it out that recently really interests me. Also the relatively modern military doctrines are easier to read about, WW1 was relatively crude in comparison, at least on the western front. 

That's an interesting way of looking at it.

 

2 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Yeah exactly. 

 

Whilst I'm fond of Japan, I'm not naive, I'm well aware it has both a very distasteful military history and a very uncomfortable modern relationship with that fact that wavers from silent shame to militant denial. 

 

But I was still taken aback by the display to the point I sort of laughed abruptly and had to check myself. I hadn't really expected to see it mentioned at all, I mean unless I missed something there was zero reference to comfort women (for example) anywhere. But somehow mentioning Nanjing and then severely downplaying it to a footnote seemed worse. 

I'd probably have reacted similarly. I've visited the history museum in Seoul which goes into great detail (naturally) about the Japanese occupation and that was an eye-opener for me too.

 

Honestly, it's true what has been said - war doesn't determine who is right, just who is left.

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Haha I've just had a quick Google and I've found the exact quote that's shown in English on the display in the museum:

 

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"Chinese soldiers disguised in civilian clothes, which numbered around 4000[47] were severely prosecuted".

 

 

Severely prosecuted that's the line that made me burst laughing lol

 

That's another interesting point about the museum actually, some of it was INCREDIBLY detailed and informative in a lot of languages. Other bits like this one, had a big board with several paragraphs in Japanese and just this one line in English. 

 

Very hmmmm. 

 

For those who are fortunate enough to not know what we're talking about, look up the Rape of Nanking, you can probably imagine tbh without the details. The Imperial Japanese Army completely destroyed the then Chinese capital, murdering, raping and looting leaving about 300,000 dead behind them, women and children included. 

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3 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

Haha I've just had a quick Google and I've found the exact quote that's shown in English on the display in the museum:

 

 

 

 

Severely prosecuted that's the line that made me burst laughing lol

 

That's another interesting point about the museum actually, some of it was INCREDIBLY detailed and informative in a lot of languages. Other bits like this one, had a big board with several paragraphs in Japanese and just this one line in English. 

 

Very hmmmm. 

"Severely prosecuted" - well yeah, I suppose you could call it that. lol

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1 hour ago, Detroit Blues said:

Dan Carlin's "Hardcore History" podcast about Japan in WW2 is excellent. 

 

 

"Supernova in the East".

 

Cheers for the reminder, the second part's not been out long, and I've not listened to it yet.

 

The first part was great. I really like how Dan Carlin tries to get into the mindset of the participants in the subjects he covers.

 

We've heard so much about how fanatical and cruel the Japanese were in the War without ever really hearing about why that was

 

 

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On 12/02/2019 at 13:37, Finnegan said:

We went to the Imperial War Museum in Tokyo a couple years ago, now that was properly strange. A real mix of perspective, some of it quite fair and interesting - emphasising how the European colonial powers had no place in the Pacific, highlighting America's poor treatment of Japan forced them in to Pearl Harbour and war, etc. 

 

Some of it was openly creepy, though, like the one tiny line on Nanjing which said something like "a small group of hard-line trouble makers were disciplined" which is probably the biggest understatement in any museum ever. 

Interesting.

 

What's the attitude towards the battle of Singapore in Japan? Do they hold pride in the victory or play it down? 

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4 hours ago, Detroit Blues said:

Dan Carlin's "Hardcore History" podcast about Japan in WW2 is excellent. 

 

 

Dan Carlin is great. Ghosts of the Osfront was a fantastic series about the Eastern Front too.

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4 hours ago, Detroit Blues said:

Dan Carlin's "Hardcore History" podcast about Japan in WW2 is excellent. 

 

 

Not as funny as I was expecting tbh.

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On 08/02/2019 at 11:19, Wolfox said:

If you enjoyed that podcast

 

try reading this

 

Passchendaele: The Story of the Third Battle of Ypres 1917 https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0241952417/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_owwxCbSNFV13X

 

Lyn McDonald also did another on the Somme

 

Amazing books 

 

My grandad was at Passschdaele, he was in the Machine Gun Corps. He got a nasty shrapnel wound to the head, and was never quite the same again.

 

I have also read the book, and can confirm it is an excellent read, letting the participants speak for themselves.

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5 hours ago, Vardinio'sCat said:

 

My grandad was at Passschdaele, he was in the Machine Gun Corps. He got a nasty shrapnel wound to the head, and was never quite the same again.

 

I have also read the book, and can confirm it is an excellent read, letting the participants speak for themselves.

It was the most brutal of a whole collection of brutal battles…

 

Small wonder you’re grandad and others were affected…

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