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Just now, MC Prussian said:

This is scary reminds me of the nineties when youths went round beating up random people for fun. Used to happen a lot in London.

 

Kind of good that we've progressed to the point where these attacks are making the news now but really sad that we're regressing back to these days. 

 

Hate is making a big come back.

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6 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

 

 

Hate is making a big come back.

What happens when both of the main political parties are lurching towards political extremism. 

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55 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

This is scary reminds me of the nineties when youths went round beating up random people for fun. Used to happen a lot in London.

 

Kind of good that we've progressed to the point where these attacks are making the news now but really sad that we're regressing back to these days. 

 

Hate is making a big come back.

It's never gone away and never will.

 

People have to keep standing up before it, not turning a blind eye, just to keep it in check.

 

Hate is a more extreme form of greed.

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10 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

How thoroughly dismaying the reaction to the Gove drugs story is. All we are hearing from our politicians  - including the hypocrite Gove himself - is the familiar rhetoric of 'drugs are bad' and 'think of the hidden victims like the child trafficers of the County Lines set-up' and 'all the money going to gangs' - all of which is a direct result of prohibition. Meanwhile, the most socially destructive drug of all fills whole aisles of the supermarkets to be bought alongside the weekly shop.

 

When is this backward country going to have a grown up discussion on legalisation?

When we have a stronger Liberal party.

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8 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

How thoroughly dismaying the reaction to the Gove drugs story is. All we are hearing from our politicians  - including the hypocrite Gove himself - is the familiar rhetoric of 'drugs are bad' and 'think of the hidden victims like the child trafficers of the County Lines set-up' and 'all the money going to gangs' - all of which is a direct result of prohibition. Meanwhile, the most socially destructive drug of all fills whole aisles of the supermarkets to be bought alongside the weekly shop.

 

When is this backward country going to have a grown up discussion on legalisation?

Yeah, crazy stuff eh? It’s not about truth, it’s not about the evidence of legislation changes from around the globe, it’s about the party line. It’s about weird fallacy narratives of justice, punishment, law and order but moreover the sound understanding that if a Labour government couldn’t reduce the classification of cannabis from a B to a class C, any government that attempts to change drug legislation will not win the next election. It’s farcical.

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Playing to ERG MPs, Tory Party members & Brexit Party voters?

 

Our prospective PM (1): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48577579

 

"Boris Johnson has pledged to cut income tax bills for people earning more than £50,000 a year if he wins the race to succeed Theresa May as prime minister. The former foreign secretary told the Telegraph he would use money currently set aside for a no-deal Brexit to raise the 40% tax rate threshold to £80,000.

 

The Telegraph estimated that the move announced by Mr Johnson, who is not doing any media interviews, would cost £9.6bn a year. The IFS said higher rate taxpayers would receive a "quite significant tax cut" under Mr Johnson's plans - but the biggest beneficiaries would include wealthy pensioners, and people living solely off investments, as neither pay National Insurance".

 

Our prospective PM (2): https://www.cityam.com/is-this-serious-boris-johnsons-39bn-threat-gives-city-the-jitters/

 

"Boris Johnson’s threat to withhold the UK’s £39bn Brexit divorce bill raised eyebrows in the City yesterday and provoked a strong reaction from across the Channel. [He vowed to keep] the cash to force the EU to give Britain a better withdrawal deal, as part of his pitch to become Prime Minister over the weekend.

 

Worldpay chairman and former Confederation of British Industry president Sir Mike Rake told City A.M. such a move would have a “terrible” effect on Britain’s reputation as an international negotiating partner. “We’ve seen what happens with countries who don’t pay their debts,” he said. “These are legal agreements.” “Anyone who thinks negotiating by making threats in public a la Trump in a business world is the way to succeed is mistaken,” he added. “Is this serious?”

A source close to French President Emmanuel Macron told Reuters last night that failing to pay the £39bn bill would amount to a national default. “Not honouring your payment obligations is a failure of international commitments equivalent to a sovereign debt default, whose consequences are well known,” they said. Guy Verhofstadt added: “This would not only hurt the UK’s credibility as an international partner, but it is absolutely unacceptable and contradicts what almost every lawyer in the UK thinks about it.

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4 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

Playing to ERG MPs, Tory Party members & Brexit Party voters?

 

Our prospective PM (1): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48577579

 

"Boris Johnson has pledged to cut income tax bills for people earning more than £50,000 a year if he wins the race to succeed Theresa May as prime minister. The former foreign secretary told the Telegraph he would use money currently set aside for a no-deal Brexit to raise the 40% tax rate threshold to £80,000.

 

The Telegraph estimated that the move announced by Mr Johnson, who is not doing any media interviews, would cost £9.6bn a year. The IFS said higher rate taxpayers would receive a "quite significant tax cut" under Mr Johnson's plans - but the biggest beneficiaries would include wealthy pensioners, and people living solely off investments, as neither pay National Insurance".

 

Our prospective PM (2): https://www.cityam.com/is-this-serious-boris-johnsons-39bn-threat-gives-city-the-jitters/

 

"Boris Johnson’s threat to withhold the UK’s £39bn Brexit divorce bill raised eyebrows in the City yesterday and provoked a strong reaction from across the Channel. [He vowed to keep] the cash to force the EU to give Britain a better withdrawal deal, as part of his pitch to become Prime Minister over the weekend.

 

Worldpay chairman and former Confederation of British Industry president Sir Mike Rake told City A.M. such a move would have a “terrible” effect on Britain’s reputation as an international negotiating partner. “We’ve seen what happens with countries who don’t pay their debts,” he said. “These are legal agreements.” “Anyone who thinks negotiating by making threats in public a la Trump in a business world is the way to succeed is mistaken,” he added. “Is this serious?”

A source close to French President Emmanuel Macron told Reuters last night that failing to pay the £39bn bill would amount to a national default. “Not honouring your payment obligations is a failure of international commitments equivalent to a sovereign debt default, whose consequences are well known,” they said. Guy Verhofstadt added: “This would not only hurt the UK’s credibility as an international partner, but it is absolutely unacceptable and contradicts what almost every lawyer in the UK thinks about it.

 

Hmm.

 

So, to recap: he's going to give tax cuts to the rich, paid for with money put aside for the 'No Deal' Brexit that he's planning for.

 

And this from a man who aspires to be PM.

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21 minutes ago, Kopfkino said:

They've gone completely mad in even thinking about this. 

 

Meanwhile we've also got Gove's madness of scrapping VAT. 

As someone who’s self employed, I’m all over scrapping VAT. It’s a total pain in the arse.

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3 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

Hmm.

 

So, to recap: he's going to give tax cuts to the rich, paid for with money put aside for the 'No Deal' Brexit that he's planning for.

 

And this from a man who aspires to be PM.

 

.....while turning the UK into a pariah nation by refusing to pay the £39bn divorce settlement, most of which is a clear legal debt even if we leave with No Deal.

 

Of course, as with Trump, how seriously we should take anything Boris says is another matter.

If it serves the purpose of winning the votes of ERG MPs, reactionary Tory Party members & then Brexit Party voters in a general election, who cares, eh? 

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8 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

Hmm.

 

So, to recap: he's going to give tax cuts to the rich, paid for with money put aside for the 'No Deal' Brexit that he's planning for.

 

And this from a man who aspires to be PM.

All those leaver £50-80k earners in the Midlands and North East will be delighted. 

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6 minutes ago, Izzy said:

As someone who’s self employed, I’m all over scrapping VAT. It’s a total pain in the arse.

 

And so unfair - it's taxing money that has already been taxed once.

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6 minutes ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

All those leaver £50-80k earners in the Midlands and North East will be delighted. 

He's got my vote. 

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22 minutes ago, Izzy said:

As someone who’s self employed, I’m all over scrapping VAT. It’s a total pain in the arse.

 

13 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

And so unfair - it's taxing money that has already been taxed once.

 

Out of curiosity, what if anything would you replace it with?

 

Gove is saying he'd replace it with a simpler, lower alternative tax (commentators are interpreting this to mean a sales tax, but he's not actually said, as far as I can see)....presumably cutting public spending to make up the difference.

 

The IFS reckons VAT provides 16.8% of the national budget. Getting rid of it without an alternative income source would equate to public spending cuts on an unprecedented scale.

 

Of course, losing VAT could be offset by a large increase in income tax and/or a big new wealth/property tax or something.....but I can imagine that causing outrage, too....

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2 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

 

Out of curiosity, what if anything would you replace it with?

 

Gove is saying he'd replace it with a simpler, lower alternative tax (commentators are interpreting this to mean a sales tax, but he's not actually said, as far as I can see)....presumably cutting public spending to make up the difference.

 

The IFS reckons VAT provides 16.8% of the national budget. Getting rid of it without an alternative income source would equate to public spending cuts on an unprecedented scale.

 

Of course, losing VAT could be offset by a large increase in income tax and/or a big new wealth/property tax or something.....but I can imagine that causing outrage, too....

 

I'm not an economist, so I can't give an opinion on that, but I object in principle to a tax that taxes money that has already been taxed once.

 

As a matter of interest, do other countries have VAT?

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I would say VAT is quite an effective way of collecting Tax.

 

Income Tax and many other forms of Tax are avoidable, and those with money can find all kinds of loopholes. 

 

I know of a self employed 'person' who is living the highlife, yet he has accounts filled and claims to HMRC he only earns £10k a year, this also leads to him only paying pittance for his children, this kind of nonsense needs to be stopped. Im pretty sure the only Tax his pays is anything to do with his car and the goods, new kitchens, new windows, new tvs etc he buys. 

 

VAT charged on items at point of sale can not easily be avoided. 

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1 minute ago, Buce said:

 

As a matter of interest, do other countries have VAT?

All of Europe does for sure, US doesn't. 

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1 minute ago, Foxin_Mad said:

I would say VAT is quite an effective way of collecting Tax.

 

Income Tax and many other forms of Tax are avoidable, and those with money can find all kinds of loopholes

 

VAT charged on items at point of sale can not easily be avoided. 

 

So, a tax on the poor?

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