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29 minutes ago, bovril said:

Controlling free movement was always going to require a giving up a lot considering there is no restriction on FoM in Switzerland or Norway. Looks like the number of EU citizens in the UK is falling anyway so it seems increasingly irrelevant. And I'm surprised Brexiters are surprised the EU is sticking up for Ireland considering they were the ones that constantly remind us the EU is a "political project" not an economic one. 

Yes there has been a drop in the numbers but only because of the uncertainty.If we stay in the EU or freedom of movement is kept,they will rise again.

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7 minutes ago, Heathrow fox said:

Yes there has been a drop in the numbers but only because of the uncertainty.If we stay in the EU or freedom of movement is kept,they will rise again.

Weren't the predictions that it was going to go through the roof in the run up to leaving as people scrambled to come to the UK in time? 

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3 minutes ago, bovril said:

Weren't the predictions that it was going to go through the roof in the run up to leaving as people scrambled to come to the UK in time? 

Would you want to settle in the UK when not even the government have a clue what the outcome of Brexit might entail?Thats even if we actually leave.I think I’d um and argh a bit aswell.Unless there was a loved one involved or decent work on offer.

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1 hour ago, ozleicester said:

He could be out in 3 years and 8 months. For sexually abusing two boys. One of whom died recently from a heroin overdose. Pope Frank needs to excommunicate this cvnt if he wants to hold on to any semblance of credibility.

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13 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

He could be out in 3 years and 8 months. For sexually abusing two boys. One of whom died recently from a heroin overdose. Pope Frank needs to excommunicate this cvnt if he wants to hold on to any semblance of credibility.

 

and has protected and moved KNOWN paedophile priests around the country exposing them to more and more children

and has fought to silence victims for 40 years

and has fought and harassed the LGBTQI community for their "abhorrent behaviour"

 

 

also our previous PM and a number of our (Fvcking Murdoch) journalists have said they continue to SUPPORT Pell and dont agree with the courts decision.

 

Imagine that,  (actually TWO) ex PMs, saying the judicial process is flawed and they still believe and support a child rapist.

 

FVCKING SCUM!

 

and this evil **** is still denying!! 

 

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1 hour ago, ozleicester said:

 

and has protected and moved KNOWN paedophile priests around the country exposing them to more and more children

and has fought to silence victims for 40 years

and has fought and harassed the LGBTQI community for their "abhorrent behaviour"

 

 

also our previous PM and a number of our (Fvcking Murdoch) journalists have said they continue to SUPPORT Pell and dont agree with the courts decision.

 

Imagine that,  (actually TWO) ex PMs, saying the judicial process is flawed and they still believe and support a child rapist.

 

FVCKING SCUM!

 

and this evil **** is still denying!! 

 

More importantly, this is a rich Western country where the power of the Catholic Church is waning, religiosity itself is plumetting and there is a growing appetite to bring the Church to justice.

 

I was watching Spotlight with a mate while I was visiting him in Botswana in 2016. He told me about a priest that had been sent to Botswana from Ireland on the 70s and had died there a few years ago. A couple of years later the Guardai arrived in Botswana to exhume his grave, and successfully linked his DNA with the rape and murder of a 7 year old girl in Ireland in the 60s. Just like in Boston, they’d been moving rapists and murderers around the ****ing world to protect them from justice. 

 

Like i said, Pell, Boston and Tuam are all Western revelations. There is not a doubt in my mind that a) this is a GLOBAL problem; b) more of these scandals are going to come out in every country; and c) the Vatican will be disbanded within my lifetime. 

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20 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

the Vatican will be disbanded within my lifetime. 

Would be amazing and long overdue.

 

Pell was/is the NUMBER 3 guy at the Vatican...

0) jesus/god etc

1) pope

2) Other guy

3) Proven child rapist George Pell

 

Number fvcking three and they knew this when they appointed him, they knew when they allowed him to send his Paedophile mates around the country, they knew then, they know of others now and still they allow it to go on. FVCKING CATHOLICS

 

Anyone who is in that church and is not actively fighting to end the entrenched paedophilia is complicit, i hope that all of them have a moment of absolute terror and revulsion when they think they are going to die and they will spend their eternity in their hell.

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42 minutes ago, ozleicester said:

Would be amazing and long overdue.

 

Pell was/is the NUMBER 3 guy at the Vatican...

0) jesus/god etc

1) pope

2) Other guy

3) Proven child rapist George Pell

 

Number fvcking three and they knew this when they appointed him, they knew when they allowed him to send his Paedophile mates around the country, they knew then, they know of others now and still they allow it to go on. FVCKING CATHOLICS

 

Anyone who is in that church and is not actively fighting to end the entrenched paedophilia is complicit, i hope that all of them have a moment of absolute terror and revulsion when they think they are going to die and they will spend their eternity in their hell.

In explaining his sentencing decision, the judge said Pell had led an “otherwise blameless life”.” - “aside from the Holocaust and his otherwise overwhelming persecution of Jews and other minorities, Hitler lead an otherwise blameless life”. Ducking insane an actual Judge could come out with this.

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2 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

In explaining his sentencing decision, the judge said Pell had led an “otherwise blameless life”.” - “aside from the Holocaust and his otherwise overwhelming persecution of Jews and other minorities, Hitler lead an otherwise blameless life”. Ducking insane an actual Judge could come out with this.

if i were a conspiracy theorist..

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4 hours ago, ozleicester said:

 

and has protected and moved KNOWN paedophile priests around the country exposing them to more and more children

and has fought to silence victims for 40 years

and has fought and harassed the LGBTQI community for their "abhorrent behaviour"

 

 

also our previous PM and a number of our (Fvcking Murdoch) journalists have said they continue to SUPPORT Pell and dont agree with the courts decision.

 

Imagine that,  (actually TWO) ex PMs, saying the judicial process is flawed and they still believe and support a child rapist.

 

FVCKING SCUM!

 

and this evil **** is still denying!! 

 

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How do they justify that, Oz?

 

Are they questioning his guilt or his sentence?

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3 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

How do they justify that, Oz?

 

Are they questioning his guilt or his sentence?

His guilt.  Unfortunately there is only one living victim in this specific trial, and of course no witnesses.  Lots of people maintain he is innocent.  Clinging on to theories that it was impossible as the opportunity wasn’t there in a busy cathedral.  He might win his appeal to be honest.  Guilty as sin imo, of this and a huge list of other crimes.

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6 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

How do they justify that, Oz?

 

Are they questioning his guilt or his sentence?

He has lodged an appeal.

 

Both of them (PM's John Winston Howard and Tony F'king Abbbott) have written him character references, saying what a good man he IS!

 

They are refusing to accept that he has been found guilty.

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On 08/03/2019 at 20:38, Buce said:

'It's dangerous': full chaos of funding cuts in England's schools revealed

The impact of the funding crisis in England’s schools is laid bare in a Guardian investigation that reveals a system falling apart at the seams, with teachers covering for canteen staff and cleaners while essential funds are raised by parent donations and “charity” non-uniform days.

 

Teachers and parents who responded to a Guardian callout complained there was not enough money even for basics such as textbooks, stationery and science equipment. They say children with special educational needs (SEN) are the hardest hit, as schools facing deficits struggle to fund additional support.

Schools that cannot afford cleaners are dirty and falling into disrepair. Staff have been made redundant, class sizes have gone up, subjects have been scrapped and teaching hours cut, as headteachers resort to desperate measures to make ends meet.

In North Yorkshire, one secondary school is raising funds by holding extra non-uniform days – six a year, at the end of each half term – potentially earning an additional £3,000 for the school’s funds.

Teachers in schools in Essex and inner London are being asked to stand in after lunchtime supervision was cut. In one Somerset school, teachers are doing cleaning duties as cleaning staff have been cut.

Schools have set up Amazon wishlists and crowd-funding pages “so parents can buy such luxuries as pencils, glue sticks, rulers etc” according to one school in the east of England.

Hours are being reduced at both the start and end of the day to save money. In Birmingham many primary school pupils are being sent home at lunchtime on Fridays; pupils at one Kent grammar school are being asked to come in late one morning.

Managers in Gloucestershire are delaying turning on heating until November, even though teachers and students are wearing coats indoors to stay warm.

Photocopying is strictly rationed, pastoral care and mental health support has been cut, and teachers are asked to teach subjects in which they are not specialists.

Pupils with special educational needs are getting less attention because of cuts to teaching and support staff, with schools concentrating their remaining resources on those with the highest levels of disability.

In the run-up to the spending review later this year, pressure is mounting on the government to address the crisis. Mary Bousted, joint general secretary of the National Education Union, said: “This is simply not acceptable. How on earth does the government think we can deliver a world-class education system under such conditions?”

 

Angela Rayner, the shadow education secretary, said it was “particularly troubling” that children with special educational needs were often the worst off.

“This government should be ashamed. It is a disgrace that in one of the richest countries in the world, schools are forced to beg for funding from parents,” Rayner said.

“The principle of free education regardless of income is a human right but it is being undermined by Tory cuts to our schools. A whole generation of students are paying the price for austerity.”

The Liberal Democrat education spokesperson, Layla Moran, said: “This investigation should shame the Tory government. With teachers covering for cleaners and parents donating money for essential services there is no way Conservative ministers can deny there is a lack of funding for our schools … to fail to act is to leave both teachers and children in the midst of what is clearly a crisis.”

Last week, in an unprecedented move, school governors from all over the country descended on Westminster to add their voices to the protest.

 

“As a governor of long standing, I can confirm that these cuts are very real and very damaging,” said Diana Boyd, chair of governors at Elm Grove primary school in Brighton. “It is essential the government understands their impact on children – who are, after all, the future of our country.”

Figures from the Institute for Fiscal Studies show that sixth form colleges have seen funding cut by 21% since 2010 as overall school funding has slumped by 8% in real terms in the same period.

Many who responded to the Guardian said their school had lost staff, with a direct impact on behaviour and learning. Some schools were reluctant to take SEN children on roll because of staff cuts.

A senior school leader in the east Midlands said: “I feel that as a country we are not aware of the crisis that is coming with SEN and disabilities.”

A teaching assistant from Nottinghamshire who was made redundant in the summer said cuts at her school were putting children in danger. “There are three children with Type 1 diabetes who now only have one properly trained person to look after them. The TA who is left is run ragged. It’s dangerous.”

In a week of intense debate about knife crime and school exclusions, parents highlighted a link between budget cuts and exclusions. “There used to be a unit where kids with problems could be worked with to try to resolve social-emotional problems,” said one Devon parent. “Now kids with problems are problem kids and get shown the door a lot sooner.”

A teacher in an inner-city school in London said the school’s computers used by pupils for IT lessons were nine years old and take 16 minutes to load. “Our lessons are 50 minutes. Over a quarter of a lesson is spent logging on,” she said.

The same teacher said she and colleagues were asked to take on duties that were once jobs in their own right. “Dinner ladies [lunchtime supervisors] have been replaced with unpaid lunchtime duties – every teacher does three a week. We also do a break duty, a morning gate duty and an evening gate duty.”

 

An English teacher in Rotherham said she spent £300 of her own money on books for her pupils. She spends £10 a term on pens that her students like to use and more on sanitary pads and deodorant: “Hygiene poverty definitely impacts on school attendance and cuts mean not all schools are equipped with things girls need to stay safe and clean.”

 

Schools in her area are in a poor state of repair, undermining pupils’ self-esteem. “Pupils see this as a reflection on themselves – a scruffy, run-down, cold, poorly resourced school as a reflection of how the government values them. I don’t think they are wrong.”

The headteacher of a primary school in Essex said she had lost a specialist phonics teacher who helped pupils achieve a 90% pass rate, while staff who provide early intervention mental heath support have also gone. At the other end of the scale, pens and glue sticks are off the school’s shopping list as too expensive.

Many contributors said parents were being asked for regular “donations” while fundraising efforts by parent-led associations are now being used to pay for essentials.

Labour MP Jess Phillips highlighted the impact of funding cuts in her constituency this week after her son’s school in Birmingham warned it may close early on Fridays to save money. “I’m guessing my Tory colleagues kids’ schools are not so similar[ly] crippled that they can only stay open 4.5 days a week,” she tweeted.

Steve Randerson, a governor at another Birmingham primary school that has been forced to cut its hours, said: “It’s a fairly depressing situation. The school’s doing everything it can to manage with the resources it gets.”

A chemistry teacher from Cheshire described four years of redundancies, school buildings no longer fit for purpose and diminishing resources: “No current GCSE textbooks, limited photocopying, sharing exercise books between classes, broken equipment not replaced.”

This is a national slow moving tragedy. Schools are massively under funded. They are being deliberately run down as they're forcibly turned into private enterprises.

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4 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

More importantly, this is a rich Western country where the power of the Catholic Church is waning, religiosity itself is plumetting and there is a growing appetite to bring the Church to justice.

 

I was watching Spotlight with a mate while I was visiting him in Botswana in 2016. He told me about a priest that had been sent to Botswana from Ireland on the 70s and had died there a few years ago. A couple of years later the Guardai arrived in Botswana to exhume his grave, and successfully linked his DNA with the rape and murder of a 7 year old girl in Ireland in the 60s. Just like in Boston, they’d been moving rapists and murderers around the ****ing world to protect them from justice. 

 

Like i said, Pell, Boston and Tuam are all Western revelations. There is not a doubt in my mind that a) this is a GLOBAL problem; b) more of these scandals are going to come out in every country; and c) the Vatican will be disbanded within my lifetime

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No chance whatsoever, mate.

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36 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

How do they justify that, Oz?

 

Are they questioning his guilt or his sentence?

John Howard’s glowing character reference for George Pell has been revealed in full - and he says the verdict doesn’t “alter” his opinion.

 

https://www.news.com.au/national/courts-law/former-prime-minister-john-howard-has-written-a-character-reference-for-george-pell/news-story/25c3900f9effe1aa4e045bf76d2a7d42

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28 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

This is a national slow moving tragedy. Schools are massively under funded. They are being deliberately run down as they're forcibly turned into private enterprises.

A relative works at a school where currently 30% of the teaching staff are on sick leave due to stress. 

 

It's completely deliberate and systematic. 

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8 minutes ago, ozleicester said:

John Howard’s glowing character reference for George Pell has been revealed in full - and he says the verdict doesn’t “alter” his opinion.

 

https://www.news.com.au/national/courts-law/former-prime-minister-john-howard-has-written-a-character-reference-for-george-pell/news-story/25c3900f9effe1aa4e045bf76d2a7d42

 

This quote from his defence barrister is astonishing: “no more than plain, vanilla, sexual acts with a child who is not consenting”.

 

Well, that's alright then, let's make him a saint.

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6 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

This quote from his defence barrister is astonishing: “no more than plain, vanilla, sexual acts with a child who is not consenting”.

 

Well, that's alright then, let's make him a saint.

The barrister resigned the next day, very apologetic for his wording... but typical of the people involved on that side

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36 minutes ago, ozleicester said:

The barrister resigned the next day, very apologetic for his wording... but typical of the people involved on that side

 

I'm not getting this.

 

On the one hand, he's appealing against conviction, on the other, his defence team is saying that it was 'only' a low level of abuse. How does that work?

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5 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

I'm not getting this.

 

On the one hand, he's appealing against conviction, on the other, his defence team is saying that it was 'only' a low level of abuse. How does that work?

 yep...  he didnt do it...but what he did...wasnt that bad

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Just now, ozleicester said:

 yep... he's guilty...but he didnt do it

 

I see it more as 'he didn't do it, but if he did it was no big deal'. Astonishing.

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1 minute ago, Buce said:

 

I see it more as 'he didn't do it, but if he did it was no big deal'. Astonishing.

yep adjusted :)

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1 hour ago, Lionator said:

A relative works at a school where currently 30% of the teaching staff are on sick leave due to stress. 

 

It's completely deliberate and systematic. 

A family member, who was a teacher at  a school in leicester for about 20 years, quit a few months back due to the stress and lack of backing from those who are higher up who, he said, hide behind office doors and do not want anything to do with controlling kids who are both abusive and aggressive and also with a budget that would only just about cover pencils and paper, it got to the point where he'd be sitting in his car outside the gates thinking does he really need this crap. All he wanted to do was teach a subject that he loved, only to be regularly told to fvck off. From what i understand, many front line teachers are also in the firing line, and have little authority with no senior staff backing. 

  The day they banned the cane was the day that discipline died.

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20 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

A family member, who was a teacher at  a school in leicester for about 20 years, quit a few months back due to the stress and lack of backing from those who are higher up who, he said, hide behind office doors and do not want anything to do with controlling kids who are both abusive and aggressive and also with a budget that would only just about cover pencils and paper, it got to the point where he'd be sitting in his car outside the gates thinking does he really need this crap. All he wanted to do was teach a subject that he loved, only to be regularly told to fvck off. From what i understand, many front line teachers are also in the firing line, and have little authority with no senior staff backing. 

  The day they banned the cane was the day that discipline died.

I'm thankful every day that my parents weren't feeble enough to require a cane to teach me discipline. 

 

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